Ice Crystaleyezer needs to finally get a rework.

[Kacpert25]

I guess everyone knows what this item is. Walter among endgame items. It's pure crap that almost no one uses. An item with good potential that is mostly destroyed by one specific perk.

Therefore, it would be worth changing something in it, because since the Host of Horrors update was added, it has not been changed a lot. And this update was over a year ago.

The changes that would make this item finally useful are as follows:

-Reducing the temperature to a maximum of 6 degrees. Ice crystaleyezer could do this either at any season of the year or only in summer, which is the season for which it was created. Because I'm sorry, but if this item means you have to wear winter clothes in the summer, it doesn't mean its good design.

-Added an option to disable the production of mini glaciers. This is the second biggest flaw that makes this item simply bad. The way it fills the space with mini glaciers is terribly irritating, so adding the option to turn it off by right-clicking on ice crystaleyezer would be welcome.

-Reducing the circle of ice around the ice crystaleyezer. Simply put, its current size is too large and it unsightliness the space a bit, so it could be reduced to fit on one turf.

-Makes Winona's spotlights with the hotlight skill activate when within the range of the ice crystaleyezer.

Edit: A few additional ideas that emerged from the comments under the post over the last week:

-Ice crystaleyezer should only work in summer and turn off in other seasons. (Idea by @Radicaljoe)
Additionally, when the crystaleyezer is turned off, the eyeball should be closed. (My idea)

-Ice crystaleyezer should be able to consume Deerclops eyeball over time. It would then have a slot into which you could even put the entire stack.
One eyeball would last at least for the entire summer (although it could equally last for 100 days, for example).
This idea is intended to give ice crystaleyezer some downside in exchange for removing lowering player temperature below zero.
(My idea, came up during a discussion with @landromat)

I hope that the negative opinions about ice crystaleyezer will finally be heard by the devs, because this item really needs some changes.

[kehun]

yes

[ChintzyGnat]

It just shouldn't freeze you in summer. That's the only change it needs.

[Turbina.]

To be honest, there is nothing more frustrating, than freezing in summer in night, because even with campfire max size in close range, temperature change reaaaly slow, like 1 degree per 2-3s. In similar situaction , during winter, change rate is like 10/s?

[Radicaljoe]

I see the idea of the Crystalizer, keeping plants from withering, preventing overheating in summer. However, making a part of your base perma-Winter seems just as counter productive. Like, in summer you just swap out eyebrella for Beefalo hat. I can move my plants to the caves to keep them from Withering.(I do this before I open rifts anyway so that the brightshades leave me alone)

I think the glacier thing could be removed. Because it might sound weird, but that was actually its best upside at one point. It was finally a way to obtain ice outside of Winter after all these years!... Then Frostjaw was added and he drops a billion ice, kinda rendering the whole glacier thing useless, and more of an annoyance.

If I updated it, I would remove glaciers, make the minimum temperature 6, and make it pickupable like Winona buildings. Also, make it active only in Summer because it has no use in the other 3 seasons. Also just for fun I'd increase the map reveal radius of the eye to double its current diameter.

[Vantablack027]

Exactly, finally this item would make sense.

[kayla137]

so true frfr

[Kartaa]

True, i think that item realy deserves more love.

[Patricshadow]

okey. soo i am 90% happy with this response. JUST MAKE THE FREEZING LIKE TO 10 COLD or smth,LIKE FOR TURBINA TO SEEE!!!

 

 

[_mylilsunshine_]

Walter caught a stray, and as a Walter main, the Ice Crystalizer is worse than my boy could ever be.

[Mysterious box]

9 minutes ago, _mylilsunshine_ said:

Walter caught a stray, and as a Walter main, the Ice Crystalizer is worse than my boy could ever be.

It's weird too since he see more play than Maxwell's crafting station(I'm sorry I had too) and Wolfgang from what I've seen.

[Nektarodudu]

 I don't know what to think about it but they should add esp32 for winona

[Maxil20]

1 hour ago, Radicaljoe said:

I think the glacier thing could be removed. Because it might sound weird, but that was actually its best upside at one point. It was finally a way to obtain ice outside of Winter after all these years!... Then Frostjaw was added and he drops a billion ice, kinda rendering the whole glacier thing useless, and more of an annoyance.

I personally would like to keep the glaciers (and at least be toggleable), as its still the only way to reliably produce ice in the caves, and being able to make ice near a base or the like still has some merit. Again though, I do think it should be able to be toggleable as it does have issues inside a base and the like.

[Pawel_215]

This building/item is a bit uselles because of its current drawbacks. nice change

[SilverSpoon]

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[Well-met]

I think it's fine and I think alot of people like you just wish they could leave it on permanently with zero consequences

[Kacpert25]

15 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

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This is so true XD. Even the positioning matches. Polar Bearger Bin as a 10/10 item, howlitzer as a relatively cool item and crystaleyezer as total crap.

2 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

I personally would like to keep the glaciers (and at least be toggleable), as its still the only way to reliably produce ice in the caves, and being able to make ice near a base or the like still has some merit. Again though, I do think it should be able to be toggleable as it does have issues inside a base and the like.

I absolutely agree with this. Instead of deleting something, it's better to give the option to disable it.

4 hours ago, Radicaljoe said:

Also, make it active only in Summer because it has no use in the other 3 seasons.

Actually, now that I think about it, if crystaleyezer had the option to work only in summer, it would be cool if the eye was closed at other seasons.

[landromat]

if you build net of furnances with 3 cells in between they'll stop you from freezing. Expansive? Yes, but totally doable. Creating zone that completely negates summer and winter should not be cheap

[hoxi]

5 hours ago, Radicaljoe said:

make the minimum temperature 6

See, it's a little complicated, going above or equal to 0 means it will lose some of its benefits.

Ice doesn't melt (lose spoilage) below 0, food spoils slower below 0 (and small creatures in inventories and birds in birdcages starve slower), farm soil moisture doesn't dry at 0 or below (meaning only plants and weeds consume water rather than it also evaporating on its own, at 6 it would dry very slowly, but still worth mentioning), among other things.

Ideally, the player should instead get a buff or so to avoid going below 0-5 degrees if a change like this were to be done (unless there's other external sources or the world temperature is lower than the crystaleyezer's, or something, dunno), to avoid removing all the other benefits that come from temperature dropping below 0.

[Kacpert25]

13 minutes ago, landromat said:

if you build net of furnances with 3 cells in between they'll stop you from freezing. Expansive? Yes, but totally doable. Creating zone that completely negates summer and winter should not be cheap

You can also cover a hole in the wall with a painting so that it is not visible, but this will not change the fact that it is still there.

It's the same here. Putting up a billion furnaces doesn't change the fact that this item is simply bad.

[Radicaljoe]

2 hours ago, landromat said:

if you build net of furnances with 3 cells in between they'll stop you from freezing. Expansive? Yes, but totally doable. Creating zone that completely negates summer and winter should not be cheap

"Shouldn't be cheap"

I shouldn't need to make such expensive infrastructure to let 1 structure (end game item btw) be usable in my base. 

You what completely negates summer? The caves. And a single star caller can negate Winter just as easily.

[Lovens]

4 hours ago, Well-met said:

I think it's fine and I think alot of people like you just wish they could leave it on permanently with zero consequences

Why wouldn't we? If we have to kill 8 bosses to earn an item it should just be good, not unusable. Polar bearger bin and howitzer just work, without any significant downsides. Why can't this structure simply do its job without actively trying to kill people around it? 

3 hours ago, landromat said:

if you build net of furnances with 3 cells in between they'll stop you from freezing. Expansive? Yes, but totally doable. Creating zone that completely negates summer and winter should not be cheap

Not only it looks ugly, it takes up valuable space arround crystaleyezer that could have been used for other structures, or planting. Why should this be a solution? It's like designing a scale furnace that spreads fire and sets structures ablaze around it so you need to always put ice flingomatics in its range every two tiles. 

[cropo]

What if it required more than one eye? Hear me out.


So giving it one eye gives it a very small radius, 2 eyes causes the eyes to float and levitate in a circle(more eyes having a similar effect) and the overall range of it increases based on the amount you put in.


This will still keep it as a freezing hazard, for whatever reason, but also allow people to control its range output and enable them to more easily use it to circumvent spoilage problems. So instead of being a direct counter to summer, it's a counter to the faster spoilage.

[Well-met]

18 hours ago, Lovens said:

Why wouldn't we? If we have to kill 8 bosses to earn an item it should just be good, not unusable. Polar bearger bin and howitzer just work, without any significant downsides. Why can't this structure simply do its job without actively trying to kill people around it? 

Not only it looks ugly, it takes up valuable space arround crystaleyezer that could have been used for other structures, or planting. Why should this be a solution? It's like designing a scale furnace that spreads fire and sets structures ablaze around it so you need to always put ice flingomatics in its range every two tiles. 

first of all it is usable

bearger bin's downside is that you give up your body slot for it

howitzer's downside is that you have to carry packs of teeth around and it sinks them extremely quickly anyway

"ugly" isn't valid criticism

furnace setting everything on fire is a bad comparison because ice does not harm structures. If an iceberg somehow ruins your base you can just melt it away

The problem is you and so many people treat this game like roblox and you refuse to accept the idea of threats, danger and trade-offs and now you use rift content being difficult to rush as an excuse to your poor little woes.

[Maxil20]

41 minutes ago, Well-met said:

bearger bin's downside is that you give up your body slot for it

I believe you are mistaking the insulated pack for the bin. The polar bearger bin is an inventory slot item that holds up to 6 crockpot foods. It technically has a downside because of that, although it’s not one that is super tricky to work around.