Anyone found a good use for the Ice Crystaleyezer?

[This14Real]

It’s the only end game item I still don’t use.

[Maxil20]

I use it quite a bit when binge cooking or relying on farms that produce spoilable items, as the effect of winter's 25% spoilage reduction in any season (especially summer) does make a pretty noticeable impact in keeping things as fresh as possible, which is good for ingredients/dishes that have average or worse spoiling times. Its not the most incredible use ever, but it is a nice little QOL that I personally like.

[Juanasdf]

I use it to stop my banana, reeds and rock fruit bushes from withering during summer... If that's actually how the item works lol I don't check that farm too often

The wiki just states that it sets the temperature around it to -10, so I kinda just placed it assuming it would.

[Radicaljoe]

I tried using it once, but it was annoying having a large section of my base perma-Winter. I haven't touched it since. Would be nice if it capped the temperature at 6. 
For a second it was a way to get ice outside of Winter, which was cool. However, then we got frostjaw and he's a way superior source of ice.

[Well-met]

obviously it is for summer but you need furnaces to counter it

[Zima Blue]

4 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

I use it quite a bit when binge cooking or relying on farms that produce spoilable items, as the effect of winter's 25% spoilage reduction in any season (especially summer) does make a pretty noticeable impact in keeping things as fresh as possible, which is good for ingredients/dishes that have average or worse spoiling times. Its not the most incredible use ever, but it is a nice little QOL that I personally like.

Do you know if it affects fridges/salt boxes? For example If I put one ice crystalize near a fridge, does everything inside gets this spoilage reduction bonus? 

[Maxil20]

23 minutes ago, Zima Blue said:

Do you know if it affects fridges/salt boxes? For example If I put one ice crystalize near a fridge, does everything inside gets this spoilage reduction bonus? 

Anything within the radius gets impacted by the spoilage reduction effect, including containers like the ice/salt box and even personal ones in your inventory like the polar bearger bin/Wilson’s beard storage. I’m 95% sure this includes when said area is unloaded as well, I just haven’t needed to utilize this (as near mint dishes in a polar bearger bin with extras in icker preserves works pretty well for my case, though I could see it working well in a kitchen setup if you can handle the side effects of the cold/glaciers).

[hoxi]

3 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

I’m 95% sure this includes when said area is unloaded as well

Yeah, it works just the same in those cases.

The only thing that doesn't benefit are pocket dimension containers (from the Rabbit King or Shadow Chester/Magician's Chest/Magician's Top Hat). Those are basically always at 0, 0, 0, and they used to check for local temperature, but not anymore (you were able to make items in them count as being inside the Crystaleyezer aoe if the aoe covered those coordinates, now they always use world temperature).

[BezKa]

I put one near the Oasis and fight fire hounds near it. It's not on 100% of the time.

 

[Gytre]

Same I never use it. Oasis or Above Average Tree are much better options for wildfires and it's sad because I love how it looks. I hope klei will someday buff it like:

-Ice Crystaleyezer now extinguish fires in its range.

-Ice Crystaleyezer now turns rain into snowing in its range.

-Ice Crystaleyezer ice circle now doesn't set player temperature to -2 instead lowers it fast (like shipwrecked lava) so you can pick the eyeball without losing health using clothing.

-Ice Crystaleyezer player temperature is now capped at 6.

-Hotlight spotlight now always work in range of ice crystaleyezer even in summer.

[Kacpert25]

15 minutes ago, Gytre said:

Same I never use it. Oasis or Above Average Tree are much better options for wildfires and it's sad because I love how it looks. I hope klei will someday buff it like:

-Ice Crystaleyezer now extinguish fires in its range.

-Ice Crystaleyezer now turns rain into snowing in its range.

-Ice Crystaleyezer ice circle now doesn't set player temperature to -2 instead lowers it fast (like shipwrecked lava) so you can pick the eyeball without losing health using clothing.

-Ice Crystaleyezer player temperature is now capped at 6.

-Hotlight spotlight now always work in range of ice crystaleyezer even in summer.

And let to ice crystalezer have the option to disable the production of mini glaciers. Then it would make sense to use this item, not like it is now, where only 1-2 characters can fully use it. This is Wurt with the sunfish, which rots in her eq much slower, and Wx with the heating module.

[ShadowDuelist]

7 hours ago, Shining Galaxy said:

A temperature-controlled base built with Ice Crystaleyezer and Scaled Furnace, where the character's temperature depends solely on the distance from the Scaled Furnace, and will never be too cold or too hot. The coverage is complete when the distance between Scaled Furnaces is less than 3.5 tiles. Numerous chests serve both as storage areas and to prevent the Ice Crystaleyezer from producing a large number of annoying ice blocks that block the way. Winona's Spotlight combined with Above-Average Tree Trunk can create a simplified version, which is smaller in size and for single-person use. My current base uses Ice Crystaleyezer, Scaled Furnace, Above-Average Tree Trunk, and Glowcap with Enlightened Shard. Within the base, the temperature is comfortable, it is always bright, and there is no need to worry about Luner Hail. Many people underestimate the power of Ice Crystaleyezer because they already had a fixed base before defeating CC. My base was redesigned after the update of Ice Crystaleyezer, where the Ice Crystaleyezer can exert its full potential.

That sounds pretty neat! Do you have to deactivate it during winter?

[This14Real]

Would the winter effect also affect vargs? Now I wonder if it would work in a varg/hound farm forcing vargs to spawn ice hounds permanently, that would be a great use for it since ice hounds have the best drops.
How about multiple crystaleyezers? Would they increase the spawn rate/number of glaciers?
I can’t use my steam version of the game right now to test it, would anyone be so kind to?

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, This14Real said:

Would the winter effect also affect vargs?

No, that's based on season, not temperature.

[cropo]

Pretty much what Maxil20 said, turning it on for cooking sessions seems to be the best use for it because once food is exposed to the elements the timer is ticking and it helps you min/max your freshness.  It's a luxury item for cooking, and the only reason I don't use it is because I often play Willow and thermal stones don't work in it so it's practically deadly to have it on.

Although my question is does it stack with winter, or is the freshness preservation related to ambient temperature and not season?

[hoxi]

3 hours ago, cropo said:

Although my question is does it stack with winter, or is the freshness preservation related to ambient temperature and not season?

It doesn't.

Some things check for temperature, some for the current season, some for both. When it comes to perishables, they specifically only check for temperature.

However, due to the way the perishable component checks things, this extends to even small creatures being held in an inventory or container, or even a bird in a bird cage (since instead of using a hunger meter, they all use a perishable component to "starve"). So keeping them within the aoe of a Crystaleyezer will make them starve slower (which also happens when temp drops enough in winter, or starve faster during summer when temps are high enough).

 

Also since this wasn't pointed out here, though I think it's known, farm soil tiles within the aoe (based on the center of the tile) won't lose any wetness naturally, meaning only plants consume it. This is normally only the case during winter or near winter, when world temperature drops low enough. This is especially good in summer, where you would otherwise have to water them constantly and very frequently due to the very high temperatures drying the soil very quickly.

[Juanasdf]

On 11/13/2024 at 3:24 AM, hoxi said:

So keeping them within the aoe of a Crystaleyezer will make them starve slower (which also happens when temp drops enough in winter, or starve faster during summer when temps are high enough

Ohhh this is actually a very good use
I did know that creatures use the same perishable component as foods, but I never thought about keeping my birds in the crystaleyezer area to keep them from dying during summer

Specially useful considering birdcages are usually near the kitchen so you can kill two birds with one stone use one crystaleyezer for both suggestions

[Lovens]

How do you people not freeze around crystaleyezer in summer? I have a place where I have crystaleyezer and near it there are 4 scaled furnaces surrounding a chest. Normally in that chest I have thermals sit all year round and they are nice and hot so I thought I could use a warm thermal to not freeze around crystaleyezer in summer. It doesn't work. Not only thermals can't reheat to 90 degrees in summer anymore, they seem to lose durability constantly if I have crystaleyezer turned on. They become grey pretty much instantly and can't warm me up at all. Scaled furnaces seem to struggle with warming me up as well if they are in range of crystaleyezer in summer. I can be hugging one and my temp barely goes up, and once I walk a bit away from it I start freezing again. 

[Lovens]

36 minutes ago, Shining Galaxy said:

Four Scaled Furnaces are not enough to cover the entire range of Ice Crystaleyezer. To achieve full coverage, Scaled Furnaces need to be placed 3.5 tile spaces apart. For the sake of neatness, my base chose to place them 4 tile spaces apart. Near the Glowcap, it is impossible to maintain body temperature, but because the Glowcap has a collision box, the impact is minimal. Thermal Stone checks for seasons instead of temperature, so it cannot be used to keep warm in summer.

This sucks so much. It's not fun to cover the entire range of this structure with another expensive structure (x4) just so I can exist around the crystaleyezer. It's such a bad design for an endgame item to need other boss loot items to benefit from it (and it already requires a deerclops eyeball to power it up).

Most of boss loot is self-sufficient. Scaled furnace is good on its own and doesn't need a mooncaller on top of it so you don't die near it. It simply does its job as intended. Bundling wrap blueprint drops from BQ and she also drops wax for you to make it. It then doesn't require you to kill another boss in order for bundling wrap to, say, not delete all the items you put into it. Toad drops lamp blueprints and shroom skins and you can put lightbulbs into them and start benefiting from the structure right away, and it doesn't require you to wear moggles near a glowcap so you don't die to Charlie. 

If we compare it to similar grade powerful post-rift items it gets even worse. Polar bearger bin and howitzer just work and benefit the user, without any "ifs". Crystaleyezer is the only boss loot item/structure that's actively trying to kill players who try to benefit from it. Considering that this item is a reward for killing not one, not three, but eventually eight bosses (CK, CC, bearger, mutant bearger, deerclops, mutant deerclops, varg, mutant varg), not mentioning all the other stuff you have to do on your quest to obtain crystaleyezer (ocean exploration, Pearl's quests, ruins, moonstone event, archives puzzle, altar assembly, moonstorms, engaging with lunar rift content)...Would it be really too much to ask to have the temperature around it just be set to 0 degrees but never go lower so you don't actually freeze and lose health? Kind of like WX thermal circuit does it. I wish I could also toggle off glaciers, or just have them not spawn if there are structures around crystaleyezer. I would love to design a farm plot or a Warly kitchen around one but this structure is pretty much unusable to me in its current state. 

[Kacpert25]

5 hours ago, Lovens said:

This sucks so much. It's not fun to cover the entire range of this structure with another expensive structure (x4) just so I can exist around the crystaleyezer. It's such a bad design for an endgame item to need other boss loot items to benefit from it (and it already requires a deerclops eyeball to power it up).

Most of boss loot is self-sufficient. Scaled furnace is good on its own and doesn't need a mooncaller on top of it so you don't die near it. It simply does its job as intended. Bundling wrap blueprint drops from BQ and she also drops wax for you to make it. It then doesn't require you to kill another boss in order for bundling wrap to, say, not delete all the items you put into it. Toad drops lamp blueprints and shroom skins and you can put lightbulbs into them and start benefiting from the structure right away, and it doesn't require you to wear moggles near a glowcap so you don't die to Charlie. 

If we compare it to similar grade powerful post-rift items it gets even worse. Polar bearger bin and howitzer just work and benefit the user, without any "ifs". Crystaleyezer is the only boss loot item/structure that's actively trying to kill players who try to benefit from it. Considering that this item is a reward for killing not one, not three, but eventually eight bosses (CK, CC, bearger, mutant bearger, deerclops, mutant deerclops, varg, mutant varg), not mentioning all the other stuff you have to do on your quest to obtain crystaleyezer (ocean exploration, Pearl's quests, ruins, moonstone event, archives puzzle, altar assembly, moonstorms, engaging with lunar rift content)...Would it be really too much to ask to have the temperature around it just be set to 0 degrees but never go lower so you don't actually freeze and lose health? Kind of like WX thermal circuit does it. I wish I could also toggle off glaciers, or just have them not spawn if there are structures around crystaleyezer. I would love to design a farm plot or a Warly kitchen around one but this structure is pretty much unusable to me in its current state. 

I fully agree with you. I hate this item with all my heart since the full update that added it.

If the ice crysteleyezer didn't at least bring the temperature below zero during the summer, it would be useful somehow, but NO, it doesn't. Run in the summer in winter clothes or build 20 Dragonfly furnaces so you don't die from this awful item.

In my opinion, ice crysteleyezer is a bit like the Walter of endgame items, i.e. maybe it can be good under some conditions (because from what I've heard, Walter with the beefalo is even ok), but it still doesn't change the fact that it's just poorly designed.

[Masked Koopa]

Honestly the Furnace material cost doesn't even bother me but the sheer density of them you need to actually cover everything is just so ugly. I have god knows how many spark arks wasting away that id happily use to Wildfireproof my world, but it is just straight up inferior to having my Maxwell-playing friend summon rain.

I think if I played solo Wurt it probably wouldn't be that bad since Sunfish work just fine, but it really isn't ideal for other characters especially since using thermals for heat is extremely jank during summer.

My best guess is that Klei doesn't want to devalue the Above Average Trees as being the only no-maintinence wildfire prevention mechanism, and to be totally fair I do see why. Growing those suckers is quite a lot of work, and most people probably would just spam Crystaleyezers everywhere if they had no downsides.

It's actually why I am more of an advocate for Crystaleyezers being able to freeze the ocean (into tiles like the frostjaw island), since that gives them enough of a range of uses to where them having a downside is less of a concern. You could make "land" bridges to islands or ocean features not accessible via pier, farm ice by removing the eyeball and letting the platforms break, or even just build bases or structures out in some obscure corner of the map.

[Lovens]

1 hour ago, Kacpert25 said:

I fully agree with you. I hate this item with all my heart since the full update that added it.

If the ice crysteleyezer didn't at least bring the temperature below zero during the summer, it would be useful somehow, but NO, it doesn't. Run in the summer in winter clothes or build 20 Dragonfly furnaces so you don't die from this awful item.

In my opinion, ice crysteleyezer is a bit like the Walter of endgame items, i.e. maybe it can be good under some conditions (because from what I've heard, Walter with the beefalo is even ok), but it still doesn't change the fact that it's just poorly designed.

Lol this is a great comparison. "Yeah just sleep in a tent, man" - says my fellow Walter main enthusiast friend to my troubles with sanity during the ruins rush as him. Should have surrounded the entire ruins with tents every 4 tiles for a better effect ;D

[Bumber64]

Don't farm crops pause growth below 5 degrees? How does the crystaleyezer affect those?

[Bumber64]

5 hours ago, Shining Galaxy said:

The judgment on whether plants are growing is based on seasons rather than temperature; however, the wilting mechanism checks the temperature. Therefore, crystaleyezer is entirely positive for crops, as it does not impede growth in non-winter seasons and can prevent plants from wilting in the summer.

Looks like they use the global world temperature. (Min temp to grow is actually 5, not 2.)

function Crop:GetWorldGrowthRateMultiplier()
    if TheWorld.state.temperature < TUNING.MIN_CROP_GROW_TEMP then
        return 0
    end

Function name implies it is correct to be doing so, but it probably existed before the crystaleyezer.

[hoxi]

On 11/16/2024 at 9:41 AM, Bumber64 said:

Looks like they use the global world temperature. (Min temp to grow is actually 5, not 2.)

function Crop:GetWorldGrowthRateMultiplier()
    if TheWorld.state.temperature < TUNING.MIN_CROP_GROW_TEMP then
        return 0
    end

Function name implies it is correct to be doing so, but it probably existed before the crystaleyezer.

This is for the now unused farms, the DS ones, not the new ones. Otherwise how are you able to grow anything in winter with the new farm system when it gets to like -20? It did exist since forever, but I guess it wasn't accounted for with the crystaleyezer because it became unused since the new system was added.

Check farm_plants.lua and you'll see they don't use that component.