[Easy AFW] It should not be allowed to build structures inside the Atrium. Just another exploit.

[DegenerateFurry]

How about you just stop throwing a tantrum every time someone finds an alternative way to do things? What next, are you gonna cry a river about me using an X made out of fences to make Bee Queen's minions fail to keep up with her when I fight her solo? Give us all a break by taking one from this forum and reconsidering your worldview.

[dst_lover]

5 hours ago, grm9 said:

skipping a boss fight'sn't same in comparison to god mode and free crafting and doesn't require being or bothering an admin most of the time

bro if u went to skip him why not just use god mode and one shot him what is the difference 

[Well-met]

one side demands bugs to be fixed and the other side thinks it's weird that bugs are getting fixed

this forum is weird.

[dst_lover]

2 hours ago, HellHeater said:

Tell me the difference between downloading TMIP to oneshot everything and crafting that weapon. Or spawning 1000 meteors using a console command. They cost nothing do they? Why would you use any weapons at all when you can just nuke the bosses? Then lets burn down Klei headquarters because they dared to keep commands and modding in the game. Ugh so unbalanced am I right?

 

1 no difference 

2 because i love playing dst without any change of settings or adding modes and exploit like this should be removed because its ruin the game

[DegenerateFurry]

9 minutes ago, Well-met said:

one side demands bugs to be fixed and the other side thinks it's weird that bugs are getting fixed

this forum is weird.

The weirdness comes from nuance. Bugs aren't universally a bad thing. Sometimes, unintended game behavior adds to the experience - an example I'll always bring up is rocket jumping. The developers of Doom and Quake didn't really intend for people to use explosives to propel themselves, but when they saw how much fun people were having with it, they decided to keep it in. Later games have integrated it as an intentional gameplay mechanic.

The people demanding bugs to be fixed think that the bugs are taking away from the experience somehow, although ones like Cruvimaster tend to neglect to actually give us any reason why they're detrimental. The most you get is some opinionated, baseless nonsense about it "being unfair" or "ruining the game" and no explanation of how that actually negatively impacts people who choose not to use it.

The people who think it's weird that certain bugs are getting patched think that because those bugs aren't actually bad for the gameplay experience and, sometimes, are actually beneficial. A bug like the one this thread is about is one you have to go very far out of your way to encounter, and that makes it non-detrimental to the gameplay experience; if you have to build a bunch of pillars in a specific spot, teleport out of the arena, and use ranged weaponry to make use of it, nobody's ever gonna encounter it by accident. All it does is give us another method, if we want to sink the resources and time, to beat a boss that many people find frustrating. Everyone else can fight Fuelweaver in the normal way if they so choose.

[Maxposting]

I thought summer heat made people irrationally angry but it's september.

[Anis5240]

3 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

exploit like this should be removed because its ruin the game

This is a sandbox game.

No real rules or laws exist in these types of games; players are free to do whatever playstyles they want to.

This is not a linear-type quest game, this is a survival game FIRST AND FOREMOST. The shadow and lunar quests are for the story only.

[Well-met]

2 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

The weirdness comes from nuance. Bugs aren't universally a bad thing. Sometimes, unintended game behavior adds to the experience - an example I'll always bring up is rocket jumping. The developers of Doom and Quake didn't really intend for people to use explosives to propel themselves, but when they saw how much fun people were having with it, they decided to keep it in. Later games have integrated it as an intentional gameplay mechanic.

The people demanding bugs to be fixed think that the bugs are taking away from the experience somehow, although ones like Cruvimaster tend to neglect to actually give us any reason why they're detrimental. The most you get is some opinionated, baseless nonsense about it "being unfair" or "ruining the game" and no explanation of how that actually negatively impacts people who choose not to use it.

The people who think it's weird that certain bugs are getting patched think that because those bugs aren't actually bad for the gameplay experience and, sometimes, are actually beneficial. A bug like the one this thread is about is one you have to go very far out of your way to encounter, and that makes it non-detrimental to the gameplay experience; if you have to build a bunch of pillars in a specific spot, teleport out of the arena, and use ranged weaponry to make use of it, nobody's ever gonna encounter it by accident. All it does is give us another method, if we want to sink the resources and time, to beat a boss that many people find frustrating. Everyone else can fight Fuelweaver in the normal way if they so choose.

sorry but it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.

i hope you never get anywhere close to game design it sounds like it would really confuse you.

[grm9]

43 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

bro if u went to skip him why not just use god mode and one shot him what is the difference 

unavailable on others' servers and doesn't require spending time and resources nor thinking about what cheese to use

34 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

exploit like this ruin the game

how? how're they affecting you if you'ren't using them?

[DegenerateFurry]

Just now, Well-met said:

sorry but it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.

i hope you never get anywhere close to game design it sounds like it would really confuse you.

I don't know what your condescending attitude is about. Are you gonna pretend that game devs never keep bugs in because they realize they're a good thing? Gonna tell me that I didn't see the devs of DOOM: Eternal explicitly state that using the Meat Hook to launch yourself was unintended, but that they liked it so much that they added level navigation elements to Eternal's DLCs that require you to use it to progress? Are you going to pretend that Minecraft's piston mechanics aren't a buggy mess that the developers have kept in for over a decade because they know "fixing" them would be entirely negative and would upset the entire redstone community? 

Go on, explain yourself. I dare you to try to defend your position.

[dst_lover]

Just now, Anis5240 said:

This is a sandbox game.

No real rules or laws exist in these types of games; players are free to do whatever playstyles they want to.

This is not a linear-type quest game, this is a survival game FIRST AND FOREMOST. The shadow and lunar quests are for the story only.

This is a sandbox game !  if u chosen to change the setting but I choses survival and I went a good balanced game without exploit or bugs or unbalanced items if u went to skip a boss go in your sandbox mode and change its settings and add your mods or whatever u went , 

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

unavailable on others' servers and doesn't require spending time and resources nor thinking about what cheese to use

how? how are they affecting you if you'ren't using them?

If its unavailable on others servers that is your problem 

2 if there is an op item or exploit yes they affect me and annoyed me why bother learn other method or use other weapons if they’re is an op exploit or op item , the existence of it  bothers me u can say just don’t use it but if I will do what u say why would I care if an item is bad or good or balanced or mid or op , u can say to anything just don’t use it but if we do what u say then no buffs or nerfs or anything will change because somebody say just don’t use it , exploit should be remove because in my eyes they are no different then an unbalanced weapon or a bad mechanic they need to be fixed 

[grm9]

18 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

If its unavailable on others servers that is your problem 

what does "your problem" even mean in this context considering that all complaints here're our own problems

18 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 if there is an op item or exploit yes they affect me and annoyed me why bother learn other method or use other weapons if they’re is an op exploit or op item

for getting more fun out of the game if doing some thing without the bug's more fun for you?

18 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

the existence of it  bothers me u can say just don’t use it but if I will do what u say why would I care if an item is bad or good or balanced or mid or op

then don't? why do you need to care?

18 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

but if we do what u say then no buffs or nerfs or anything will change because somebody say just don’t use it

"don't use it" doesn't apply to things that need a buff since you'dn't be using them either way and why not in case of the rest

18 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

exploit should be remove because in my eyes they are no different then an unbalanced weapon or a bad mechanic they need to be fixed

there'sn't an issue with some intended thing being broken op, most people already consciously use an inefficient strat e.g. making a base or playing as a suboptimal character so why not also use a suboptimal item if you think that some thing's too good or you don't get as much fun out of using it in comparison to some other thing

[cybers2001]

21 minutes ago, grm9 said:

unavailable on others' servers and doesn't require spending time and resources nor thinking about what cheese to use

how? how are they affecting you if you'ren't using them?

Weren’t you one of the biggest advocates for keeping the FW fight challenging?

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Weren’t you one of the biggest advocates for keeping the FW fight challenging?

no, i just wanted the fun version of FW to not get removed like old CK, i still want them to keep cheeses so that people can skip stuff if they don't like it instead of complaining about getting forced to do some thing that they don't like doing

[HellHeater]

37 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 no difference 

Ok, then remove all mods and console commands to make the game balanced.

38 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 because i love playing dst without any change of settings or adding modes and exploit like this should be removed because its ruin the game

THEN DON'T. No one is asking you to do these strategies. No one cares if you do or don't use these. Play the game the way you want and just let us do the same.

[dst_lover]

6 minutes ago, grm9 said:

what does "your problem" even mean in this context considering that all complaints here're our own problems

for getting more fun out of the game if doing some thing without the bug's more fun for you?

then don't? why do you need to care?

"don't use it" doesn't apply to things that need a buff since you'dn't be using them either way and why not in case of the rest

there'sn't an issue with some intended thing being broken op, most people already consciously use an inefficient strat e.g. making a base or playing as a suboptimal character so why not also use a suboptimal item if you think that some thing's too good or you don't get as much fun out of using it in comparison to some other thing

1 if u enter a world and went to cheese fw in somebody world by a mod or an exploit and he refused then it’s your problem at this point , 

2 yes

3 I care because it’s important that the game is balanced 

4 you didn’t understand the point don’t use it to me is the same as = ignorant so no buffs and nerfs at the end 

5 most of characters and strats serve a purpose that the they made to serve different types of situations and player styles 

16 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

Ok, then remove all mods and console commands to make the game balanced.

THEN DON'T. No one is asking you to do these strategies. No one cares if you do or don't use these. Play the game the way you want and just let us do the same.

If u went to change your settings or modes the game however u went do it

And I have the right to call for a nerf or a buff or an exploit to be removed 
U can say nobody care of what I say and I can say the same about u and your opinion 

 

[SilverSpoon]

What is the underlying problem with numerous exploits of AFW? That is some people feel fighting AFW is really boring or annoying for to the point of resorting to exploits.

Like former crab king or Misery Toadstool. 

11 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Allowing this is a disgrace in the world of game development.

Nice salmon pink comment

[Lovens]

I don't see how this is different from fighting dfly using stone walls, except the need to build and repair those pillars with a bazillion rocks. It's not an exploit, it's just a fighting method. Quite a boring one, but pretty legit. It's a massive resource sink, it's slow and inefficient. Why do you care if someone decides to cheese it and how does it affect your enjoyment of the game? No one forces you to do the same. 

[HellHeater]

please someone shut down this brain damaged thread

[grm9]

14 hours ago, dst_lover said:

1 if u enter a world and went to cheese fw in somebody world by a mod or an exploit and he refused then it’s your problem at this point , 

the point was that needing to ask them wastes time of both of you, if they don't want you to do that they could ask you to not do that, even though idk why'd they do that considering that that'dn't affect them

14 hours ago, dst_lover said:

2 yes

then do that?

14 hours ago, dst_lover said:

3 I care because it’s important that the game is balanced 

why

14 hours ago, dst_lover said:

4 you didn’t understand the point don’t use it to me is the same as = ignorant so no buffs and nerfs at the end 

then some thing's wrong with what it's "to you"

14 hours ago, dst_lover said:

5 most of characters and strats serve a purpose that the they made to serve different types of situations and player styles 

ok

???

[cropo]

A bug that causes an item to not work, crashes the game, derps out a bosses AI without any external manipulation on your part ---->

Ruins the experience of the game and should be fixed.


A bug that a player needs to learn about through research; go through steps to construct an elaborate arena to purposefully exploit; something that the player is doing KNOWING it is an exploit and is not intended but chooses to do so anyway; something that a legitimate player could easily justify not doing even if they are aware of it because it is 100% obvious it is cheating but does not bother them or change the intended experience if they don't purposefully set up a ritual to enact said bug but those who do do it because it's fun.

----->

Completely fine and a waste of resources to spend time fixing.


This point has been repeated many times and the ones who continue to argue them to be fixed regardless don't care to hear it another time; they have no response or motivation to respond to it. They will dogmatically insist that these two bugs are on the same exact level of threat to their game simply because they're both unintended behaviors, will lecture you on game design even though many game developers have intentionally kept bugs in their games for nostalgia or fun, and some game genres were even defined by bugs. 

There is no hope, you cannot discuss this topic further; their mind is made up and will not be changed.  If they were offered a billion dollars in exchange for giving up on harmless side-bugs being fixed they would reject it because all the money in the world doesn't even compete with stopping players from benefitting from things that don't affect them.

[dst_lover]

20 minutes ago, grm9 said:

the point was that needing to ask them wastes time of both of you, if they don't want you to do that they could ask you to not do that, even though idk why'd they do that considering that that'dn't affect them

then do that?

why

then some thing's wrong with what it's "to you"

ok

???

1 it’s affect them of course if you enter a world and killed the AFW with exploit like imagine someone that have the ability to enter your world and kill every boss in 1s it will ruin the fun of the world 

2 I did 

3 because a balanced game in my eyes is more fun the unbalance game 

4 the point is if we will follow your system of just don’t use it or ignore it or it will lead to unbalanced game

5 ok

14 hours ago, Lovens said:

I don't see how this is different from fighting dfly using stone walls, except the need to build and repair those pillars with a bazillion rocks. It's not an exploit, it's just a fighting method. Quite a boring one, but pretty legit. It's a massive resource sink, it's slow and inefficient. Why do you care if someone decides to cheese it and how does it affect your enjoyment of the game? No one forces you to do the same. 

if you are saying this is a not a bug or exploit that doesn’t matter because then its an unbalanced and an op fighting method that need a nerf or to be removed 

[grm9]

1 minute ago, dst_lover said:

1 it’s affect them of course if you enter a world and killed the AFW with exploit like imagine someone that have the ability to enter your world and kill every boss in 1s it will ruin the fun of the world

it won't because killing all bosses except 1's faster cheeseless in comparison to with cheese so you can just do that before them

1 minute ago, dst_lover said:

3 because a balanced game in my eyes is more fun the unbalance game 

how does a cheese that you most likely won't ever accidentally do make the game less fun

2 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

4 the point is if we will follow your system of just don’t use it or ignore it or it will lead to unbalanced game

balance doesn't need to exist

[dst_lover]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

it won't because killing all bosses except 1's faster cheeseless in comparison to with cheese so you can just do that before them

how does a cheese that you most likely won't ever accidentally do make the game less fun

balance doesn't need to exist

1 imagine a server with 5 pepole and you all going to kill a boss then someone trap the boss with exploit and the boss can’t do anything it’s just boring because you know it’s a matter of time and the boss will die and anything u prepared doesn’t matter other u might be having fun but a lot of people doesn’t and its boring to me 

2 because its unbalanced and make the game less fun 

3 and exploit doesn’t need to exist wow what a point , 

Yes balance is needed if u enter a world and the game have a weapon that deals 9999 and cost nothing yes u can say don’t use it but do you think other people in the server will not ? They will just ruin the fun for u before u can do anything!

[Edible Coal]

7 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 imagine a server with 5 pepole and you all going to kill a boss then someone trap the boss with exploit and the boss can’t do anything it’s just boring because you know it’s a matter of time and the boss will die and anything u prepared doesn’t matter other u might be having fun but a lot of people doesn’t and its boring to me 

2 because its unbalanced and make the game less fun 

3 and exploit doesn’t need to exist wow what a point , 

Yes balance is needed if u enter a world and the game have a weapon that deals 9999 and cost nothing yes u can say don’t use it but do you think other people in the server will not ? They will just ruin the fun for u before u can do anything!

uh just play alone smh