[Easy AFW] It should not be allowed to build structures inside the Atrium. Just another exploit.

[grm9]

5 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 because its unbalanced and make the game less fun 

how?

5 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 imagine a server with 5 pepole and you all going to kill a boss then someone trap the boss with exploit and the boss can’t do anything it’s just boring because you know it’s a matter of time and the boss will die and anything u prepared doesn’t matter other u might be having fun but a lot of people doesn’t and its boring to me 

then just kill the boss without cheese before they'll set up the cheese, same thing also applies to igniting the boss when it's on low hp for burning loot, leading away 1 of shadow pieces, blowing another player up through gun powder etc., that's not an issue with only bugs

6 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 and exploit doesn’t need to exist wow what a point

the point was that there's no benefit from balance existing assuming that it means "bugs that make the game more fun for some people shouldn't exist"

9 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

Yes balance is needed if u enter a world and the game have a weapon that deals 9999 and cost nothing yes u can say don’t use it but do you think other people in the server will not ? They will just ruin the fun for u before u can do anything!

that'd be fine because realistically no one'd use it and most people'd just kick people that'd use it like how that already happens with people ruining fun through burning a base

[dst_lover]

45 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

uh just play alone smh

 I bought the game to play with other people 

[reddocc]

This thread is so contaminated I don't think any opinion I'd give will have any value

[dst_lover]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

how?

then just kill the boss without cheese before they'll set up the cheese, same thing also applies to igniting the boss when it's on low hp for burning loot, leading away 1 of shadow pieces, blowing another player up through gun powder etc., that's not an issue with only bugs

the point was that there's no benefit from balance existing assuming that it means "bugs that make the game more fun for some people shouldn't exist"

that'd be fine because realistically no one'd use it and most people'd just kick people that'd use it like how that already happens with people ruining fun through burning a base

1 there is no way I can catch up with a person how uses exploits or bugs and most of the time I play with wikerbottom if I went to kill a boss like toad I will need a lot of time wile somebody can use the new one shot that kill toad by just bringing him to a bridge then breaking that bridge so he die in one shot , and I am okay if somebody works hard and kill him with his skill or his hardwork but if somebody just kill him like that it’s only annoying and ruins my fun of the game

2 nah there is no fun from it and people how use it only uses it to skip a boss and it’s okey if it’s in your world do whatever even if u went to add your god mode or anything I don’t care but if u did it an other people worlds without them saying it’s ok to do it you are only ruining other people fun

3 my point that if u will say something like balancing doesn’t matter u are lying because when you say that nobody will use that weapon you are laying because thing like that weapon is the same as the bugs and exploit people does use , 

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 there is no way I can catch up with a person how uses exploits or bugs and most of the time I play with wikerbottom if I went to kill a boss like toad I will need a lot of time wile somebody can use the new one shot that kill toad by just bringing him to a bridge then breaking that bridge so he die in one shot , and I am okay if somebody works hard and kill him with his skill or his hardwork but if somebody just kill him like that it’s only annoying and ruins my fun of the game

makes sense in case of the toad cheese but that's literally the only cheese that requires less time in comparison to fighitng some thing cheeseless

4 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 nah there is no fun from it and people how use it only uses it to skip a boss and it’s okey if it’s in your world do whatever even if u went to add your god mode or anything I don’t care but if u did it an other people worlds without them giving you a promotion to do it you are only ruining other people fun

how're you ruining any one's fun excluding using the only cheese in the game that saves more time in comparison to any cheeseless strat?

5 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 my point that if u will say something like balancing doesn’t matter u are lying because when you say that nobody will use that weapon you are laying because thing like that weapon is the same as the bugs and exploit people does use 

no, people'd only use it a few times, realise that using it didn't make playing the game more fun and not use it after that unless they'll want to grief but then they could've also made a torch after a minute or less time after spawning in for burning a base

[dst_lover]

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

makes sense in case of the toad cheese but that's literally the only cheese that requires less time in comparison to fighitng some thing cheeseless

how're you ruining any one's fun excluding using the only cheese in the game that saves more time in comparison to any cheeseless strat?

no, people'd only use it a few times, realise that using it didn't make playing the game more fun and not use it after that unless they'll want to grief but then they could've also made a torch after a minute or less time after spawning in for burning a base

1 I will ask you this question is the toadstool chess or exploit should it stay or removed 

2 at this point you are lying to your self do you really think people will use exploits like the that it will not save time ? and if it’s worse why then people uses the exploit if it’s worse then fighting it normally if u have no skill just farm gunpowder and kill him people use this exploit for two reasons 1 they don’t have the skill to fight it normally and they don’t went to be batter or farm gunpowder so they uses exploit to skip the boss and get his loot 2 that the exploit are just batter at saving time

3 so if people realise that this is not fun why not remove it so people will not waste time and not ruining other people fun by the existing of it

[grm9]

11 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 I will ask you this question is the toadstool chess or exploit should it stay or removed 

idk, possibly since that's the only cheese that allows you to kill a boss more quickly in comparison to some one that's going to kill it without cheese as quickly as possible

11 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 at this point you are lying to your self do you really think people will use exploits like the that it will not save time ? and if it’s worse why then people uses the exploit if it’s worse then fighting it normally if u have no skill just farm gunpowder and kill him people use this exploit for two reasons 1 they don’t have the skill to fight it normally and they don’t went to be batter or farm gunpowder so they uses exploit to skip the boss and get his loot 2 that the exploit are just batter at saving time

???

yes, using a cheese's often faster in comparison to getting 80 gun powder but still slower in comparison to fighting a boss cheeseless

11 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 so if people realise that this is not fun why not remove it so people will not waste time and not ruining other people fun by the existing of it

doesn't matter for what we're talking about because people do get fun out of using the bugs that we're talking about

[dst_lover]

11 minutes ago, grm9 said:

idk, possibly since that's the only cheese that allows you to kill a boss more quickly in comparison to some one that's going to kill it without cheese as quickly as possible

???

yes, using a cheese's often faster in comparison to getting 80 gun powder but still slower in comparison to fighting a boss cheeseless

because that doesn't apply to the bugs that we're talking about because people do get fun out of using them

1Just answer it what do u mean idk

2 did you read what I post people who chess they do it because it’s 1 make the fight ez or 2 make it faster and cheaper, and stop lying look at any speed run you will see that the cheese method are faster and the example of the gunpowder is to say that if u don’t have the skill to fight the boss and just went to skip him use gunpowder on him the only reason why anyone will use exploit because it’s faster

3 nahhh really watching the toad fall and AFW dying wile he stuck is peek fun ?

[grm9]

17 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 did you read what I post people who chess they do it because it’s 1 make the fight ez or 2 make it faster and cheaper, and stop lying look at any speed run you will see that the cheese method allows faster and the example of the gunpowder is to say that if u don’t have the skill to fight the boss and just went to skip him use gunpowder on him the only reason why anyone will use exploit because it’s faster

people also don't use gun powder because getting it'sn't fun and atm the only bosses with WRs with cheeses're toad and BQ excluding the FW WR that'd've been faster without cheese

17 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 nahhh really watching the toad fall and AFW dying wile he stuck is peek fun ?

people that don't like fighting them might get more fun out of skipping the fight at the cost of needing to do that in comparison to doing the fight

[dst_lover]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

people also don't use gun powder because getting it'sn't fun and atm the only bosses with WRs with cheeses're toad and BQ excluding the FW WR that'd've been faster without cheese

yes, people that don't like fighting them get more fun out of doing that in comparison to fighting them

1 u didn’t answer should the toad exploit be removed or not

2 both are not fun the only difference that the exploit is faster 

3 the only reason somebody will use a exploit is to make it easy or faster and they and that is the only reason anyone will use an exploit , do u think any player will care if the exploit are slower then collecting gunpowder no , and the thing is you are playing on other people world and skipping boss and getting the loot even that u didn’t have the requirement to get it and you only ruining other people fun

[grm9]

8 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 both are not fun the only difference that the exploit is faster

setting a cheese up might be fun unlike getting 80 coal, rotten eggs and nitre

8 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 the only reason somebody will use a exploit is to make it easy or faster and they and that is the only reason anyone will use an exploit , do u think any player will care if the exploit are slower then collecting gunpowder no , and the thing is you are playing on other people world and skipping boss and getting the loot even that u didn’t have the requirement to get it and you only ruining other people fun

why do you think that those're the only possible reasons and what's the issue with some one using a slow, inefficient and easy strat for killing a boss

[Gashzer]

9 minutes ago, grm9 said:

yes, people that don't like fighting them get more fun out of doing that in comparison to fighting them

If people don't like fighting them, then they shouldn't get the rewards of killing the boss.

And if the majority of people don't like fighting them, then the boss or bosses need reworked to be more accessible to the majority of players.

Simple as that.

Us fighting everyday about reworking bosses or complaining about bugs or complaining about bugs getting fixed are only symptoms of the fact that there is design issues with these bosses.

Klei need to address the root cause and the root cause is these bosses are outdated and require reworks to become fun for the majority.

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

If people don't like fighting them, then they shouldn't get the rewards of killing the boss

why?

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei need to address the root cause and the root cause is these bosses are outdated and require reworks to become fun for the majority

nah, that's entirely unrelated because i like fighting FW but i still want them to keep cheeses for people that don't to use

[dst_lover]

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

setting a cheese up might be fun unlike getting 80 coal, rotten eggs and nitre

why do you think that you can read the mind of every DST player and how're you ruining some one's fun through killing a boss through using a slow, easy and inefficient strat

Bro answer the question does toadstool exploit should be removed or not

2 The thing is even if it’s more fun then a gunpowder farm , u don’t deserve to kill the boss if u are in a server that is not yours and without them giving you the green light because  if a hard boss like AFW that need a lot of affort to taking him down so you can get his loot and it’s ridiculous that somebody didn’t work hard or doesn’t have the skill and get the loot to in the server 

I am not talking of course of every player but I am talking about the majority of the players and don’t act like it’s ineffective because if you will fight him again to gain his loot it’s even more effective then normal methods 

 

[grm9]

1 minute ago, dst_lover said:

2 The thing is even if it’s more fun then a gunpowder farm , u don’t deserve to kill the boss if u are in a server that is not yours and without them giving you the green light because the if a hard boss like AFW that need a lot of affort to taking him down so you can get his loot and ridiculous that somebody didn’t work hard or doesn’t have the skill and get the loot to in the server 

how does some one getting the loot without being good at the game matter for you

1 minute ago, dst_lover said:

I am not talking of course of every player but I am talking about the majority of the players and don’t act like it’s ineffective because if you will fight him again to gain his loot it’s even more effective then normal methods 

no, setting a cheese up's slower in comparison to fighting him minimal gear without cheese

[dst_lover]

Just now, grm9 said:

how does some one getting the loot without being good at the game matter for you

no, setting a cheese up's slower in comparison to fighting him minimal gear without cheese

Because if I am in the same server and I am working hard to get my loot it’s not fun to see somebody work less then you and get more then you because he don’t went to work 

2 no let’s take the AFW as example if are went to fighting again you will need to gather your loot again but if you use your exploit it’s like free to fight him again and if u went to fight him for the first time and you are not the very good at the game you might need weather pain that is only acceptable by spring and your exploit is not

[Gashzer]

11 minutes ago, grm9 said:

why?

People shouldn't get rewarded for skipping content and bugging out bosses.

Otherwise if that's ok in klei's book then klei should add an instant kill toggle admin command alongside rollback and world regen. For public servers this could be a group vote for 5mins of instant kill for all players before turning off.

Why have bugs as the middle man?

Klei needs to give straight up accessible cheats for all users (talking about console players here)

My biggest problem with klei is that they don't pick a side and instead float in this awkward, vagueness with no apparent opinion on anythin which is 1000x worse. 

Like fix bugs and give people the tools to be cheaters if people want to cheat. Everyone can get what they want then.

[grm9]

8 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

Because if I am in the same server and I am working hard to get my loot it’s not fun to see somebody work less then you and get more then you because he don’t went to work 

so you're simply jealous?

8 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 no let’s take the AFW as example if are went to fighting again you will need to gather your loot again but if you use your exploit it’s like free to fight him again and if u went to fight him for the first time and you are not the very good at the game you might need weather pain that is only acceptable by spring and your exploit is not

you only need a magi and 1 foot ball helm for doing him as wolfgang, you get the rest of what you need from pieces, that's faster in comparison to getting stuff for setting a cheese up

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Why have bugs as the middle man?

because people only get to know about them after looking for them so newbies don't end up skipping a part of the game when doing it for the 1st time, the game doesn't hint at setting up 6 stone pillars and 8 catapults

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Klei needs to give straight up accessible cheats for all users (talking about console players here)

figuring a cheese set up out'sn't same in comparison to pressing a button or writing a command

[dst_lover]

6 minutes ago, grm9 said:

so you're simply jealous?

you only need a magi and 1 foot ball helm for doing him as wolfgang, you get the rest of what you need from pieces, that's faster in comparison to getting stuff for setting a cheese up

1 if somebody cheat just to have the same loot as me I am not jealous but angry and annoyed because he is ruining other player fun and my 

2 I said if he was not very good player he will need more then that or did you not read my post and why u ignore some of my point like if u went to fight him multiple time or when I ask you about if the toadstool exploit should be removed or not 

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 if somebody cheat just to have the same loot as me I am not jealous but angry and annoyed because he is ruining other player fun and my 

how're they ruining your fun? becoming angry and annoyed because of some one getting same thing that you got through spending less effort on some thing's jealousy and you should stop being jealous instead of complaining

3 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

u went to fight him multiple time

killing it for 2nd time with thurible, bone helm and bright shade staff's already almost as easy as cheese

3 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 I said if he was not very good player he will need more then that

how does how good a player's matter for you? why do you want to prevent people that're bad at the game from getting some thing?

[Gashzer]

4 minutes ago, grm9 said:

because people only get to know about them after looking for them so newbies don't end up skipping a part of the game when doing it for the 1st time, there's no "set up 6 stone pillars and 8 catapults" text in the game

figuring out a cheese set up'sn't same in comparison to pressing a button or writing a command for 1 shot

Unfortunately DST is a game that pretty much requires you to do outside game research in some form to get to AFW. And if someone is googling how to fight AFW they will undoubtedly come across ways to cheese him.

One person figures out a cheese then everyone else copies. Even if you are the one figuring out the cheese that doesn't automatically make it not cheating, it's still cheating.

Again remove the middle man and just give people cheats klei, a group vote for 4mins (half day) of instant kill for the whole server that has a 30day ingame cooldown before the server can reactivate it. 

Boom say goodbye to people needing bugs.

 

[Anis5240]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

just give people cheats

the goddamn console commands is your cheat.

[dst_lover]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

how're they ruining your fun? becoming angry and annoyed because of some one getting same thing that you got through spending less effort on some thing's jealousy and you should stop being jealous instead of complaining

killing it for 2nd time with thurible, bone helm and bright shade staff's already almost as easy as cheese

how does how good a player's matter for you? why do you want to prevent people that're bad at the game from getting some thing?

1 and you should just stop cheating its not fun 

2 then the thing is the staff will not response from nothing u have to kill crab king do pearl quest and kill the champion and kill the AFW while your exploit skip all of that so don’t act crazy 

3 omg are u kidding me ok ok let’s get that straight I said in the first that the people how uses exploit are two type one who lacks the skill to kill the boss so he use an exploit and the 2 is a somebody who went to cheat by using a glith so he can save time and loot , when we talked about if the exploit is batter or not you have to consider that for the most of the players they are in a level that they need weather pain

[grm9]

15 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

1 and you should just stop cheating its not fun 

???

why do you think that you know what i think's fun and what'sn't

15 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

2 then the thing is the staff will not response from nothing u have to kill crab king do pearl quest and kill the champion and kill the AFW while your exploit skip all of that so don’t act crazy 

you were talking about a 2nd kill, so you'd need to wait for 20 days after doing the 1st and that's enough for CC quest line

15 minutes ago, dst_lover said:

3 omg are u kidding me ok ok let’s get that straight I said in the first that the people how uses exploit are two type one who lacks the skill to kill the boss so he use an exploit and the 2 is a somebody who went to cheat by using a glith so he can save time and loot , when we talked about if the exploit is batter or not you have to consider that for the most of the players they are in a level that they need weather pain

nah i'd compare cheese to most efficient cheeseless strat because your complaint was some one killing a boss before you so you'd need to use the most efficient strat for that to not be possible to do without cheese but cheese's worse in comparison to most efficient strat so either some one can't do some thing faster because of using cheese or some one could do some thing before you even without cheese

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Unfortunately DST is a game that pretty much requires you to do outside game research in some form to get to AFW. And if someone is googling how to fight AFW they will undoubtedly come across ways to cheese him

not necessarily, there're no cheeses on the wiki iirc and they should add a clue about how to spawn FW instead of removing cheese

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

One person figures out a cheese then everyone else copies. Even if you are the one figuring out the cheese that doesn't automatically make it not cheating, it's still cheating

you can't cheat without a rule and the point was that figuring a cheese set up out and setting it up in some cases's fun

23 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Again remove the middle man and just give people cheats klei, a group vote for 4mins (half day) of instant kill for the whole server that has a 30day ingame cooldown before the server can reactivate it

i already said why that'd be much worse

[Gashzer]

15 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

the goddamn console commands is your cheat.

Console players don't have access to them, neither do people on public servers