Kacpert25 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 Lurking Nightmare is too good concept on shadow creature to be exclusive for post-rift content. In my opinion, Lurking Nightmare would be perfect as a strong enemy spawning in one piece on 0 sanity. Something like Creeping Fear from Uncompromising Mode. Adding this as a enemy from sanity would definitely make the game a bit more difficult, forcing more experienced players to take greater care of your sanity. Besides it, thanks to its design of swimming in the ground, it is perfect so that it would also fit stylistically as a ocean shadow. Of course, to maintain some exclusivity for this shadow, Lurking Nightmares respawning from nightmare lights and nightmare fissures should gain red elements in these design when the shadow rift is active. Apart from these appearance, these should also gains planar defense and damage. Perhaps Lurking Nightmares from sanity could also receive such a buff when staying in caves. In my opinion, it will be a fun idea to make penalties for low sanity greater in the caves in the form of stronger shadows. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gultar11 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 Very good ideas this would force people to use planar weapons during the ruin rush even more and this shadow really is a good concept so I dont see any problem to see him more often in gameplay Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1743956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbina. Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 I also think, that would be cool, to make insanity more hazard for players, so they would't be insane 24/7 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxil20 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 My only request is for these to drop more loot compared to the average shadow. Considering these are a lot more difficult to kill then a crawling horror/terrorbeak and you are extremely likely to see them when farming with something like a bone helm (since it forces your sanity to be set to zero), I don’t think it would be too extreme if these dropped ~3-4 nightmare fuel compared to 1-2. Otherwise, I could see it being quite an interesting threat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 I don't think insanity will ever become more difficult because it is a stat that new and experienced players have to manage. New players will always have issues with sanity and it is very easy to drop to 0. At the same time sanity is a mechanic that is meant to pile on top of the current issue you are dealing with whether it is boss fight or ruins rush players are supposed to be slowly overwhelmed. It is reasonable unlike hounds and worm waves because it is a stat that can be controlled. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHeater Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 16 hours ago, Kacpert25 said: Adding this as a enemy from sanity would definitely make the game a bit more difficult, forcing more experienced players to take greater care of your sanity. I will keep never never ever eating a sanity food and will only send a middle finger to you every single time I get hit by it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Noel Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 4 minutes ago, HellHeater said: I will keep never never ever eating a sanity food and will only send a middle finger to you every single time I get hit by it. That sounds like a you problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHeater Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 Just now, Sir Noel said: That sounds like a you problem. Does it really Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 21 minutes ago, HellHeater said: Does it really It literally is though? Stay at 0 sanity, you get the consequences. Sounds pretty logical to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deactive41year Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 I am a decent wurt player so this won't affect me that much (you have to be at a high sanity or you bring shame to wurt player kind) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHeater Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 2 hours ago, somethin said: It literally is though? Stay at 0 sanity, you get the consequences. Sounds pretty logical to me. But nothing changes on my part, I always were at 0 sanity and will keep doing that. Consequence of what? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terefereee Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 I definitely agree. It would be a shame for the new shadow to be restricted to shadow lights in the ruin which, let's be honest, are very easily avoidable, there is literally a warning before they open, having the new shadow as just another thing you run away from because there is 0 incentive to actually fight it would be such a waste Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 3 hours ago, HellHeater said: But nothing changes on my part, I always were at 0 sanity and will keep doing that. Consequence of what? They think you were being angry, but you were joking around, right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHeater Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 4 hours ago, Reiko24 said: They think you were being angry, but you were joking around, right? Oh, sorry for the misunderstanding I completely was lmao. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlemanNed Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 staying above zero sanity is easy to the point where i dont think this creature would actually force you to manage sanity any differently than you would currently. that being said, if it makes people happier with the state of the insanity mechanic then i think its a great idea. it creates a scary new threat without making it a massive hindrance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1744260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyOfApocalips Posted August 31, 2024 Share Posted August 31, 2024 personally I think they should appear at 0 senity - but ONLY after activating rifts. I myself would like to start taking care of sanity in this game again, but I know that my friends die from regular shadows, and they don't need new enemies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted September 1, 2024 Share Posted September 1, 2024 6 hours ago, PonyOfApocalips said: personally I think they should appear at 0 senity - but ONLY after activating rifts. I myself would like to start taking care of sanity in this game again, but I know that my friends die from regular shadows, and they don't need new enemies. Why would you need to care If they spawn at 0 sanity? Nightmare creatures will spawn before you drop your sanity low enough and you can kill them and never drop to 0. This would only have an effect If you drop to 0 fast enough which is very avoidable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walewiadro211 Posted September 3, 2024 Share Posted September 3, 2024 maybe even sanity lock on 0 till the shadow is defeated Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayla137 Posted September 3, 2024 Share Posted September 3, 2024 On 8/26/2024 at 11:45 AM, Kacpert25 said: enemy spawning in one piece on 0 sanity. THE ONE PIECE Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted September 4, 2024 Share Posted September 4, 2024 On 8/26/2024 at 10:45 AM, Kacpert25 said: Lurking Nightmare is too good concept on shadow creature to be exclusive for post-rift content. In my opinion, Lurking Nightmare would be perfect as a strong enemy spawning in one piece on 0 sanity. Something like Creeping Fear from Uncompromising Mode. Adding this as a enemy from sanity would definitely make the game a bit more difficult, forcing more experienced players to take greater care of your sanity. Besides it, thanks to its design of swimming in the ground, it is perfect so that it would also fit stylistically as a ocean shadow. Of course, to maintain some exclusivity for this shadow, Lurking Nightmares respawning from nightmare lights and nightmare fissures should gain red elements in these design when the shadow rift is active. Apart from these appearance, these should also gains planar defense and damage. Perhaps Lurking Nightmares from sanity could also receive such a buff when staying in caves. In my opinion, it will be a fun idea to make penalties for low sanity greater in the caves in the form of stronger shadows. The more nightmare items you have in your inventory, the higher the threshold could be. For example, with 40 nightmare fuel, it could be 10 sainity and above for Wilson. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackE Posted September 5, 2024 Share Posted September 5, 2024 the children yearn for Uncompromising mode. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1745924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milordo Posted September 6, 2024 Share Posted September 6, 2024 On 9/3/2024 at 7:05 PM, kayla137 said: THE ONE PIECE Well brother, we do indeed find THE ONE PIECE!!!! Ahahahah It's incredible that Klei listened us and pulled a Ruins rework out of nowhere, but I will say it. If you want guys, we can still push to add it as a new shadow on 0 sanity, you have my support. I would have no problem with it. Afterall, terrobeaks and crawling nightmares were the sanity enemies, before meeting them on the Ruins and it could make sense on a videogamey design, to meet lurking nightmare, before the ruins, to train you when you will meet him there with other shadows. Although, I will also say, it also makes perfect sense to be an unique enemy of the Ruins, it adds a LOT for the level. Whatever the choice, I'm already an happy kid with the recent change Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1746023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted September 6, 2024 Share Posted September 6, 2024 They added this but not really. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159346-lurking-nightmare-should-be-able-to-spawn-on-0-sanity/#findComment-1746093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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