So, the new cave shadow update speculations/questions

[Clopsy627]

On 8/3/2024 at 7:11 PM, Clopsy627 said:

I am expecting a shadow host of horrors type update i loved host of horrors so im fine with that.      Ps i really want a shadow spider queen that is completely hostile to webbers

 

On 8/7/2024 at 5:08 AM, cropo said:

You know I just thought that if they do a host of horrors equivalent to the caves, the Spider Queen is most likely going to be one of the candidates. Even if she can appear on the surface, caves just seem more "spidery".

Great minds think alike

[wx0815]

A shadow based late game boss for the cave like a giant shadow batilisk would be nice. And maybe a better Dreadstone source.

[chirsg]

I don't have any faith in the upcoming caves update. I wouldn't be surprised if it just further encouraged me to stay on the surface full time.

[Malfario]

I just hope we get the next tier of rift weapons, i dont necesary want both shards to have the same mechanics with different aesthetics, i am fine with the mutations being lunnar exclusive and the shadows having something completly new. 

Thinking about specifics of the update makes my mind fly into a sky of posibilities, maybe the sinkholes will now become a threat to avoid so we have to be catious when standing under their light, maybe the nightmare cicle will affect more byomes, we will get  new bosses ?

But Klei is full of talent and i know they will come up with something better than everything i just said.

[arubaro]

1 hour ago, Malfario said:

I just hope we get the next tier of rift weapons

I hope we dont get weapon tiers... ds and dst were doing a great job of not being another generic rpg without narrative 

Old tiers like pig skin and wooden armor vs thulecite made sense because you affort a cost and upsides and downsides but considering how stupidly cheap, filled of upsides and without any downsides are the rift gear, adding higher tiers would only transform dst into another generic survival sandbox game like the 484726261 that were release lately

If i want to play a game with bland and unispired progression i would play valheim or core keeper

 

Edit. And the most important thing is how dst weapons and armors dont make "early" enemies fall like you are in god mode. Repayability is a key thing to have in a true sandbox. 

Having lineal sandbox feels like rpgs without talented writers to make an engaging story so instead they make you mine until boredoom the same thing but with different colors to progress...

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

I hope we dont get weapon tiers... ds and dst were doing a great job of not being another generic rpg without narrative 

Old tiers like pig skin and wooden armor vs thulecite made sense because you affort a cost and upsides and downsides but considering how stupidly cheap, filled of upsides and without any downsides are the rift gear, adding higher tiers would only transform dst into another generic survival sandbox game like the 484726261 that were release lately

If i want to play a game with bland and unispired progression i would play valheim or core keeper

 

Edit. And the most important thing is how dst weapons and armors dont make "early" enemies fall like you are in god mode. Repayability is a key thing to have in a true sandbox. 

Having lineal sandbox feels like rpgs without talented writers to make an engaging story so instead they make you mine until boredoom the same thing but with different colors to progress...

Yeah. The riff gear concept is starting to grow off me. I used to really like them at first.

[douan33]

Cave biomes are suuuuper empty. You do not have to visit any biomes unless it is for ruins or celestial champion. Even playing Wilson now can make you skip ruins entirely for post-riff items (for whatever reason). They should add content to biomes and not just new monsters. Klei should've realised by now that even though they added bazillion of new late game content people always go into the caves, find mud biome, clear ruins then get out; then get into activate rifts and that's it.

[-Variant]

9 hours ago, wx0815 said:

A shadow based late game boss for the cave like a giant shadow batilisk would be nice. And maybe a better Dreadstone source.

Oh, a giant bat would be nice...

[douan33]

12 hours ago, -Variant said:

Oh, a giant bat would be nice...

This looks like something from castle crashers, here's my concept

 

[Jakepeng99]

3 minutes ago, douan33 said:

This looks like something from castle crashers, here's my concept

 

Fire concept.

[-Variant]

9 minutes ago, douan33 said:

This looks like something from castle crashers, here's my concept

It absolutely is, and I think opening this image has been the hardest I've laughed all weekend. Absolute props, this needs getting in-game right this instant.

[Malfario]

21 hours ago, arubaro said:

I hope we dont get weapon tiers... ds and dst were doing a great job of not being another generic rpg without narrative 

Old tiers like pig skin and wooden armor vs thulecite made sense because you affort a cost and upsides and downsides but considering how stupidly cheap, filled of upsides and without any downsides are the rift gear, adding higher tiers would only transform dst into another generic survival sandbox game like the 484726261 that were release lately

If i want to play a game with bland and unispired progression i would play valheim or core keeper

 

Edit. And the most important thing is how dst weapons and armors dont make "early" enemies fall like you are in god mode. Repayability is a key thing to have in a true sandbox. 

Having lineal sandbox feels like rpgs without talented writers to make an engaging story so instead they make you mine until boredoom the same thing but with different colors to progress...

With all due respect i think thats a lot of thought for something that hasn´t even been added yet, a lot of "assuming the worse", we dont even know what the future weapons will be like if we ever get them in the first place, we already have weapon tiers, and the inclusion of the new rift tier (after it was reworked adding the repair kits") has been an incredible adition.

Wigfrid´s skilltree gives me hope that next tier of weapons will include weapons with special move which would be greatly apreciated.

In my opinion, which isnt more or less valid than anyone else´s here, thinking that more tiers will somehow, give up the uniqueness of dst, is a bit close minded. weapons with stituational buffs depending on time, location, stats etc, weapons with special moves, armors that synergice between weapons and other armors etc etc.

[arubaro]

On 8/11/2024 at 7:25 PM, Malfario said:

With all due respect i think thats a lot of thought for something that hasn´t even been added yet, a lot of "assuming the worse", we dont even know what the future weapons will be like if we ever get them in the first place, we already have weapon tiers, and the inclusion of the new rift tier (after it was reworked adding the repair kits") has been an incredible adition.

Wigfrid´s skilltree gives me hope that next tier of weapons will include weapons with special move which would be greatly apreciated.

In my opinion, which isnt more or less valid than anyone else´s here, thinking that more tiers will somehow, give up the uniqueness of dst, is a bit close minded. weapons with stituational buffs depending on time, location, stats etc, weapons with special moves, armors that synergice between weapons and other armors etc etc.

As i said, tiers like the old ones would be fine but, the way they implemented the rift gear, one of the problems the cheap repair kits you like, make me feel like they wont develop good higher tiers for this game unless they change back to the old design philosophy

[Clopsy627]

Maybe a rose garden set piece instead of abandoned junk 

[BalkanCockroach]

10 minutes ago, Clopsy627 said:

Maybe a rose garden set piece instead of abandoned junk 

We already have one... but i get what you mean and i like the idea.

[Mr Giggio]

Mosaic mixed mushroom forest is a bunch of nothing. New mobs with new loot and tools to make bridges there would be cool.

Guano biome could have a bat boss. Same thought process with the bridge blueprint.

Shadowy depht worms after rifts with a dark glowy effect same as the new trees. I don't like ocean uwu 

Rock lobsters reealy obsolete right now. Somehow, something. Possessed forms for them would be nice. 

I would say that's a really good opportunity to add a renewable way to get fossils once we don't have it so far. 

 

 

[Juanasdf]

Hopefully the shadow pieces get their special drop with this shadow focused update, even if they aren't part of the caves

[Mike23Ua]

If you want my honest opinion, since Klei enjoys doing cross-overs with RogueLite games so much, they should do a crossover with Trinity Fusion, there are Several wacky mobs in that game that would TOTALLY fit a Cave Content Update..

Plus it’s always fun to see my favorite games promoting and supporting each other.

[Kevinnator]

6 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

Guano biome could have a bat boss.

I really like this idea. Heck they could have this both be a normal boss you could find there, and then turn it into a rift boss only if acid rain is active considering bats get all aggressive when that's happening.

[Reiko24]

On 8/10/2024 at 8:06 PM, chirsg said:

I don't have any faith in the upcoming caves update. I wouldn't be surprised if it just further encouraged me to stay on the surface full time.

you are acting as if lunar hail does not exist

[Keknutui]

2 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

вы ведете себя так, как будто лунного града не существует

And yet, moon hail will get a buff, as well as acid rain It's also like he forgot about Deadly Nightshade.

[Jakepeng99]

On 8/14/2024 at 12:27 PM, Mr Giggio said:

Guano biome could have a bat boss. Same thought process with the bridge blueprint.

I would like it if it was a mini boss that spawned throughout the biome.

 

We havent got a survival based boss in ages. The last one was the lord of the fruit flies, and before that the malbatross since they both will often interfere with you, though they arent strong at threatening your survival, and the fruit fly is mostly just to give farmers a reality check and stop them from being pacifists. (I still get many farmers who farm with no equipment and beg people to kill the fly for them)

[Mike23Ua]

I was really hoping that they would do more with the “Super Earthquakes”, and Acid Rain.

I don’t know, but I’d write it from a lore narrative as the more intense earthquakes rattling the caves so hard that things buried in its layers of ceiling were starting to break loose or even things from the surface shard are starting to fall into the caves.

like for example it would be hilarious if instead of boring boulders, cave quakes can also drop a sleeping Tallbird that wakes up angry, and if it’s raining acid… maybe that can also mutate it or something to have a new “Acid Caves Variant”

I Don’t know, I just really love the idea of that Concept.

[NPCMaxwell]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I was really hoping that they would do more with the “Super Earthquakes”, and Acid Rain.

I don’t know, but I’d write it from a lore narrative as the more intense earthquakes rattling the caves so hard that things buried in its layers of ceiling were starting to break loose or even things from the surface shard are starting to fall into the caves.

like for example it would be hilarious if instead of boring boulders, cave quakes can also drop a sleeping Tallbird that wakes up angry, and if it’s raining acid… maybe that can also mutate it or something to have a new “Acid Caves Variant”

I Don’t know, I just really love the idea of that Concept.

YES I want to trigger earth quakes to involuntarily create a surface ecosystem inside the caves with all the creatures that could be falling through the collapsing roofs x)

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, NPCMaxwell said:

YES I want to trigger earth quakes to involuntarily create a surface ecosystem inside the caves with all the creatures that could be falling through the collapsing roofs x)

I mean there’s a narrative that can easily be spun into that too, mobs or resources that grew naturally on the surface would now have to find a way to adapt or perish in the caves, that could end up doing really wacky stuff, such as for example: Imagine if Beefalo who lived on the Surface and ate surface food, now had to find things in caves to eat to survive.

Klei’s new night vision fruit is actually an excellent example, the survivors are scavenging for food anywhere they can find it, they try a new fruit and Wolfgang ends up going into a creepy animation.

Now imagine animals that had a environment they were used to knowing how to survive in, and then suddenly their thrown into a new environment or their environment changed with new weather.

Its like the Lunar Hail and Moonstorms, this doesn’t really cause any actual impact to the world AROUND you… and that’s just not even slightly how things work in the real world…

If it started raining Acid, we’d learn to build acid proof shelters, we would preserve our wildlife by trying to shelter their habitats.

Flora & Fauna would adapt to their new environment, or they will Perish.