How come everyone hates this game

[marshyds]

I thorougly enjoy the world and gameplay of dst and the free updates are always nice to have, even if sometimes the direction can feel weird (The skilltrees are a fine concept, but some parts in execution are sloppy.)

[gaymime]

well, can i ask three questions instead of answering one?

 

when you look at a post and agree with it do you then go down in the comments section and write "oh man, i agree with you, this is a great point!" or do you just move on to the next thread/leave a react and move on to the next thread? when you see a post you don't agree with do you ignore it or do you respond to it?

 

there tends to be more weight put on negative responses than positive or neutral ones because they are engaging by their nature and the structure of the forum itself. it =feels= like a lot of people just don't like the game because the main thrust of engagement comes from arguing, debating and asking for changes. it is survivorship bias in action(also take into account some of the most feisty people on the site have admitted they don't actually play the game at all or do so only a couple times a year, by themselves, in old worlds....you are not gonna see the "average" user on this board)

 

[Frosty_Mentos]

I been a fan of Klei for 10 years and I think it's just the few negative apples that just don't want changes or the game to have more going on. People hate changes, unless it's a QoL that has to be forced into one way or another because someone will complain about it anyway. 

Some people here really dislike the shift from what the game used to be and now is becoming. Some of them are hating changes, others hating that it's getting "easier" despite difficulty not changing much or at all since DST been a thing, other few will complain about the game being not "uncompromising" enough despite majority of people suck at this game anyway.

It's am mixed bag, I'd say it's just the few people, but if we come to forums we're here to fight and gaslight. Or well, sometimes people actually do have a good conversation together here.

[SaltyPepper2231]

22 hours ago, Auth said:

Being disappointed in or disliking new updates/content for any reason does not automatically mean someone dislikes or hates the game as a whole. It's worth reading the whole of what people say for full context rather than try to generalize any statements, because more often than not, people are not saying they dislike the game in their full thoughts.

That was just an example, I mean how do you hate on a few small features that don’t effect gameplay

7 hours ago, gaymime said:

when you look at a post and agree with it do you then go down in the comments section and write "oh man, i agree with you, this is a great point!" or do you just move on to the next thread/leave a react and move on to the next thread? when you see a post you don't agree with do you ignore it or do you respond to it?

 

I don’t really comment on positive posts, neither do I on negative posts, unless it’s really stupid like “I hate that your hunger bar drains” then I’ll use shopcat

[NPCMaxwell]

12 minutes ago, SaltyPepper2231 said:

That was just an example, I mean how do you hate on a few small features that don’t effect gameplay

I don’t really comment on positive posts, neither do I on negative posts, unless it’s really stupid like “I hate that your hunger bar drains” then I’ll use shopcat

I'm sorry but that example was hillarious x)

[Valase]

On 7/19/2024 at 6:28 PM, NPCMaxwell said:

WRONG I ADORE the game. I just don't really feel like playing with any of the skilltree or combat content x) (besides Wilson's content)

About the single player game: This is my main game, my absolute favourite game. I just haven't been active in this forum (despite having an account) back when the singleplayer forum was probably still active

I like how you proved their point.

[NPCMaxwell]

4 minutes ago, Valase said:

I like how you proved their point.

Please explain. I don't quite understand how I am supposed to hate this game when it literally is my favourite game? (also DST just in a different way then the singleplayergame)

[Dr.Webber]

Fans are the greatest critics 

[Mr Giggio]

On 7/19/2024 at 6:15 PM, SaltyPepper2231 said:

How come nobody really likes this game anymore, I always see posts on how bad the updates and stuff are. And the singleplayer don’t starve forum is as dead as Abigail. I personally don’t think it’s bad, just after playing the game for a long time I get bored.

Welcome to forums when the bored ones want to express how frustrated they are cuz game not the way they think it should even tho they have no effort in the hard work and effort of the team

Its more a matter of taking everything with a bit of salt, filter the negavitiy cuz yeah its around but its due THE LACK OF RESPECT with the work devs putting mostly. People should know better, we love the game, also love to hate some mechanics. The game is fine, fan base tho....

[W0l0l0]

Theres a lot at play here.

People get defensive when things happen to the game and they're invested into it. Anything that signals a change for the worse is often seen as a start to a trend they may not like.

Sometimes that commitment might give people a sense of righteousness that they should be listened to.

Sure, a lot of the time individuals are really blunt and rude, but it's often a result of them caring (and to be honest, sometimes spending much time on the forums). Frustration build up.

For myself, aside from Planar, power creep, and some bits and bobs, theres almost nothing I don't like about Don't Starve Together.

[Mike23Ua]

There’s a lot that I don’t like about DST, starting with the my #1 personal culprit: The *randomly generated worlds* not being “Random” enough for my liking.

This is actually what got me to take chance on trying out this franchise in the first place (DS) was the promise that worlds would be Randomly Generated.

There’s a couple other smaller issues I have with the game too such as the game having an offline single player mode but all of its bosses and content not scaling to provide an enjoyable single player experience for anyone but the most devoted, skilled players who want to spend a lot of time chipping health away on this Multiplayer designed boss.

Another thing I really hate about the game is it has this menu full of things we can toggle on and off, more and less over which literally lets us “Nitpick” at what mobs or hazards can spawn into our worlds- But yet Klei does not develop content updates around this concept that “Hey we actually CAN leave the Wonkey Curse as being more difficult if the player toggles it to More.. While also Nerfing it for the Casuals who find it to tedious and annoying to deal with when toggled to less”

But even though there are a lot of things that I hate about DST, there’s also a lot more that I LOVE about it.

Such as the DLC characters exclusive to DST, or all the newer DST Exclusive Mobs like OTTER, Carrat, Gashalts, SkitterSquids, Molebats, Sentrypedes etc… all the really cute item/belonging skins, or the fact the Klei devs actually cared enough to add a Global Pause button into the game! (My bladder thanks you Klei <3)

You really see more “Negative” criticisms here on the forums because when Klei are releasing the kind of updates people actually LIKE they’re most likely playing and enjoying the game rather than being here on the forums talking about it.

As for me personally, I don’t go to school, nor do I have any sort of job so I have ALOT of free time on my hands that I choose to invest in expressing ideas and opinions on not just this forum, but other game forums as well in an effort to hopefully reach out to the devs, and thank them to let them know that I appreciate their work (even if their are things I dislike about it..) and to share not only what I “Like” about the game, but also what I “Dislike” about the game as well.

And isn’t that what a forum is for anyway? Open & Valid criticisms??

People just shouldn’t be rude to the devs & be all like “this development team sucks & should all be fired!”

Without any sort of context as to why someone would feel this way, it’s just hate to hate.

[Gotheran]

On 7/20/2024 at 12:01 AM, DegenerateFurry said:

There's a big difference between fair criticisms of the game ("I think this should be different and here's why and how") and outright negativity (making deliberately inflammatory thread titles; calling Klei lazy devs despite them constantly doing major free updates to their game that only has optional cosmetic microtransactions; mindlessly hating on skill trees just for being character updates; or the people who actually go into threads like "what do you like about your main" and pull an "um, actually" on people who just talk about the things they enjoy). The latter is what I'm calling "Negative Nancys". 

Ive seen few people simply being inflammatory or levelling criticisms without backing up their position, which includes the heavy focus on dst mtx, and skill trees having a serious lack of foresight and balancing to them being boring at best and actively taking away from character experiences at worst and being very wildly favoured towards certain characters over others, which begs the question of why we need a second round of character updates to a game that just got done with reworks for most of the cast that themselves feel a bit stilted towards certain characters over others and of mixed quality. The pnly answer some of us can think of without direct confirmation from klei is that the updates are being made for the sake of being an update in a heavily engagement-over-quality market.

[goblinball]

I’m not going to name names but there are a good handful of ppl here on the forums who simply are nothing but negativity. They don’t want to have fun, they don’t want to be constructive, they just want to waste time complaining and complaining, trying to mindlessly argue with ppl over the silliest things just so they can “win” the argument and feel good about themselves. It’s not uncommon to see threads get devolved into multiple pages of arguments between the same 2-3 people. 

It always bothers me whenever I see a post complaining about x new thing and the op does not try AT ALL to offer any solutions or be remotely constructive or helpful. It’s just complaining, nothing else. It’s so pointless.

[SaltyPepper2231]

On 7/21/2024 at 12:16 PM, Mike23Ua said:

the fact the Klei devs actually cared enough to add a Global Pause button into the game! (My bladder thanks you Klei <3)

Funniest and most relatable thing i have seen this summer

[Sesekriri]

The people who post on this forum will be disproportionately invested in the game compared to the average player. I think many of DST's flaws are only really noticable when you have the complete picture of all of the items/bosses/content in the game, which for most players they never learn.

On 7/19/2024 at 3:29 PM, Dr. Safety said:

I know barely anyone agrees with me, but I really enjoy character themed updates

I agree with you. In my ideal world I would tune them a bit, but I think they are super fun. 

[viblym]

On 7/19/2024 at 5:15 PM, SaltyPepper2231 said:

How come nobody really likes this game anymore, I always see posts on how bad the updates and stuff are. And the singleplayer don’t starve forum is as dead as Abigail. I personally don’t think it’s bad, just after playing the game for a long time I get bored.

Sadly more people are driven to say things if it's fueled by negativity than if they were really happy about something. The loudest minority thing yknow, plenty of people adore the game and there's many nice people out there to be happy with, I'm sorry that this is your experience with the community

[user1464576869]

Shrug. I think it turned bad. Certainly easy to be and express disapproval over something you saw both greatness and potential for even better in - compared to something that's not in your interest to begin with.

[Antynomity]

This post is a huge oversimplified, over exaggerated generalisation.

[Mike23Ua]

I mean like I said a lot of the “hate” comes to do with the way Klei chooses to handle the updates to the game.

Games like State of Decay 2, 7 Days to Die, Minecraft, Lego Fortnite, No Mans Sky, TMNT Shredders Revenge and Trinity Fusion all give the players various different difficulty settings and world behavior options that will heavily impact how the player will play and interact with the game.

Using 7DtD as the example: the player can choose if they want the zombies to slowly shamble around but gather in hordes to overwhelm the player, or if they want them to run lightning fast like World War Z.

And Klei has that with DS/DST they literally have lightning in a Bottle… and that don’t seem interested in making that magic happen.

Its.. hard to explain but let’s just pretend that something as simple as the Shadow Hands that come after Campfires at night had two behavior options, the way they function right now.. “Classic” only creeping in from one direction in a straight line and can be ran away by following the hand back to where it started from, OR it could get “Advanced” behavior where the hands will now circle in a spiral bend, twist etc to avoid the player being able to stand on them (with no arm to run back to its starting position) 

This in the simplest scenario I can come up with.. Gives DST the same kind of world behavior settings players have the freedom of toggling in 7DtD that shakes up how they’ll interact & play.

And I think that’s a really important issue when it comes to DST.

Another (super cool As heck example) is if you could toggle between “Classic” shadow creature behavior, the way they act right now.. or “Advanced” where they can now disappear into the “Shadows” of objects in the game world like they do in WANDAs Animated short to surprise and sneak attack the player.

Yeah I get that all of this would be a nightmare to code, would take tons of development time and resources- but look at the kind of updates we’ve had in the past couple years- There’s really no excuse why the games cast of characters are now on their THIRD set of ability reworks while the rest of the game world around them remains largely untouched besides some late game rifts based stuff.