Please do not rework more old bosses

[grm9]

1 hour ago, Gameplayer143 said:

If the bone cage dodge is supposed to be an exploit or bug then I don't know why other people keep suggesting to me try the bone cage dodge when it's literally an unintended feature, a bug. That's not telling people a certain strategy, that's telling people on how to break the game

how is it being a bug relevant? how do you know that it's unintended?

1 hour ago, Gameplayer143 said:

I shouldn't have to rely on bugs or exploits in order to beat a boss

you don't need to, there're other ways to deal with bone cage

45 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

Defending the bone cage dodge is the equivalent of defending void walking

devs didn't confirm that bone cage dodge is a bug and it isn't obvious if it is unlike voidwalking and what's wrong with voidwalking?

47 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

it's in the game but should we use it?

a question of ethics I think

most people can't even use it because it requires skill

47 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

I don't think it's wise to use glitches to defend a boss from a possible rework

no one confirmed that it's a bug

[DVGMedia]

11 minutes ago, grm9 said:

most people can't even use it because it requires skill

We suck at the game thank you
I think ultimately why people complain is not really the definition of skill its more just The feeling of winning. Im one for doing self imposed challenges from time to time. And usually The feeling of completing that self imposed challenge shows how well designed The content is.

Sadly Im not good enough at this game to do those self imposed challenges Like how well some of the other speed runners do.  fuel weaver unlike most of the other bosses makes the player feel like you cant mess up. If you mess up the fight gets extended. To most people thats not exactly a fun feeling. It just adds tedium to a game that can be tedious in itself. If There was not a rollback system Im not sure how well people would even take fuewlweaver solo. Since the Item sink of this boss without any  practice is massive.

Its why people suggest to use specific items to counter the specific things.
pane for aoe  explorer for cage amulet for the hands.

The main important thing really is staying calm for the fight Staying sane both in the game and in real life. observe the fight to see what is the best time to use the items. Because it is rather over whelming for majority of players.

When you practice the fight it does make it easier to understand how to abuse certain aspects of the fight The timings and interactions. But thats true for anything that is practiced.
I think alot of these fights are pretty good. But there really can be some small changes that could help reduce the tedium of fights in general. .

[Guille6785]

1 hour ago, Cyrefy said:

Defending the bone cage dodge is the equivalent of defending void walking, it's in the game but should we use it?

a question of ethics I think.

I don't think it's wise to use glitches to defend a boss from a possible rework.

mfw kiting is a glitch now

[Gameplayer143]

19 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

mfw kiting is a glitch now

Kiting the bone cage has like not tell for the player. Usually a lot of the attacks in this game have this animation and well defined attack range. The bone cage doesn't have that. If the bone cage is intended to allow the player to dodge its attack without a lazy traveller, it's badly designed to tell the player that.

[Cyrefy]

3 hours ago, grm9 said:

how is it being a bug relevant? how do you know that it's unintended?

you don't need to, there're other ways to deal with bone cage

devs didn't confirm that bone cage dodge is a bug and it isn't obvious if it is unlike voidwalking and what's wrong with voidwalking?

most people can't even use it because it requires skill

no one confirmed that it's a bug

I'm not assuming anything.
I'm just throwing questions in the air, to see if I can bring an environment with more partial thoughts .

But based on your defensive reaction, I don't think I need to answer anything else.
I think it was all just about the feeling of power that getting to kill the boss that no one likes to do brings.
And that would perhaps be invalidated if the battle were more enjoyable for other players to even feel like doing.
All about ego as always.
But you can rest assured that I guarantee you that the devs will not change this combat.

[grm9]

6 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

I think it was all just about the feeling of power that getting to kill the boss that no one likes to do brings.
And that would perhaps be invalidated if the battle were more enjoyable for other players to even feel like doing

no, i don't like other people suffering, i simply have fun when fighting the boss that way

[Cyrefy]

3 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

mfw kiting is a glitch now

And there it is again. people incapable of thinking about others, selfish at their peak, ironizing to invalidate the other's opinion, very low... I simply can't feel pleasure in doing something that no one else around me can or likes to do, I personally prefer to help and show how it is done, but this battle is where I see that it is difficult to the point that I need to tell the person to create a personal server to train a hundred times using the console to reproduce the combat, tell me where is the prestige of learning something in this circumstance? I just don't see it.

6 minutes ago, grm9 said:

no, i don't like other people suffering, i simply have fun when fighting the boss that way

Yes, it's super fun to kill a boss that has 1 attack, and then you need to deal with a mini-game that is interesting, I'm not lying, but the boss itself is weak and simple, it could have more attack patterns, maybe phases like the CC, but read one of my previous posts I detailed the things that irritate the most.

 

[cybers2001]

On 6/11/2024 at 5:30 PM, Gi-Go said:

God what a time waste to actually talk with fuelweaver haters. 

The audacity, to give an opinionated response to someone's question of "What don't you like about fuelweaver?" How dare we.

[grm9]

7 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

the boss itself is weak and simple

that's why less than even 100 people can do minimal gear FW ig

7 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

it could have more attack patterns, maybe phases like the CC

CC is much more boring than FW

7 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

Yes, it's super fun to kill a boss that has 1 attack

it's 2 or 3 and i was talking about p2 because obviously p1 is simple

[Gi-Go]

4 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

The audacity, to give an opinionated response to someone's question of "What don't you like about fuelweaver?" How dare we.

You've been provided help from me, or even a faster strategy showcase from @grm9 on your issue of fuelweaver eating wovens.

And it was a waste of time. Your response is "come to my server and farm fuelweaver yourself". 

8 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

And there it is again. people incapable of thinking about others, selfish at their peak, ironizing to invalidate the other's opinion, very low... I simply can't feel pleasure in doing something that no one else around me can or likes to do, I personally prefer to help and show how it is done, but this battle is where I see that it is difficult to the point that I need to tell the person to create a personal server to train a hundred times using the console to reproduce the combat, tell me where is the prestige of learning something in this circumstance? I just don't see it.

Lmao. Next think we know dragonfly gets reworked to no longer attack while moving. Kiting her must have been a glitch. 

Who said you need console to practice fuelweaver? Pick Wortox and do it in your world. Don't want to use him? Craft a bunch of lazy travelers. Or just fight fuelweaver enough times while overgeared to get comfortable. Terrible excuses. 

 

12 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

I think ultimately why people complain is just The feeling of winning. 

Lack thereof. Ha. 

[cybers2001]

7 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

You've been provided help from me, or even a faster strategy showcase from @grm9 on your issue of fuelweaver eating wovens.

And it was a waste of time. Your response is "come to my server and farm fuelweaver yourself".

I think we both know how much your time's worth.

[Cyrefy]

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11 hours ago, grm9 said:

that's why less than even 100 people can do minimal gear FW ig

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19 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

I think it was all just about the feeling of power that getting to kill the boss that no one likes to do brings.
And that would perhaps be invalidated if the battle were more enjoyable for other players to even feel like doing.
All about ego as always.

god complex in a nutshell.

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11 hours ago, grm9 said:

it's 2 or 3 and i was talking about p2 because obviously p1 is simple

If you are considering spells, he has 4 attacks:
The normal attack he hits you with;
The spiral bone attack;
The cage of bones;
And mind control;
He doesn't gain any other attacks during combat, the difference between the phases is the addition of the mini game, which as I said before I find it interesting.
But then, in the strategy outside the circle, if you fight with high sanity he doesn't use the mind spell, so 3, if you fight outside the circle he doesn't use the bone spiral, so 2, if you are face tanking the boss, the cage is indifferent, and there is 1 attack.

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The problem is not the difficulties, but how and why we deal with them.

As i said ->

On 6/11/2024 at 2:57 PM, Cyrefy said:

I could complain about all the FW methods for hours... but regarding the bone cage, I don't think dodging is intentional, it's absurdly specific, aside from the fact that I don't think the arena was designed for the player to stay out of the circle, I feel super caustophobic doing this, but it's the way I do it, not by choice, many worlds I enter are already in spring and there are no more goats to farm, and no one deserves to wait until next winter for a walkingcane, then I learned to do it without anything because of that, but I hate it, I like using several items much more, but acquiring them is very inefficient, plus the boss outside the circle only has 1 attack, what I enjoy the most about this combat hell is dodging the spiral attack in the first phase.
But playing in the center of the circle is very problematic without a Weather Pain, because the boss's hitbox is very high, and I don't know why there is a huge pillar in the middle of the arena, besides the shadows sometimes have a silhouette visible enough to not let you click on the skulls that literally grow at the foot of the boss, and the boss's hitbox is so high, the skull is inside the hitbox, so if you try to press F it considers the boss to be closer, even though it clearly isn't .
The best strategy ends up being the most boring and the one that makes you feel like you are doing something that shouldn't be done.
And this is a boss that I prefer to do alone, because it's very easy for someone to get in the way, pulling the boss into the middle of the arena, plus more people means more shadow creatures, and for some reason you can't cancel mind control. with lazy explorer when there is more than one person (I tested with 2), and there can be no error, 1 error and the combat is over, it needs to be perfect, which ends up being boring, as I like playing in groups.
But if you think it's good, that's fine with me, but if it's changed in the future I'll be very happy  .

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10 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

Lmao. Next think we know dragonfly gets reworked to no longer attack while moving. Kiting her must have been a glitch. 

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10 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

ironizing to invalidate the other's opinion, very low...

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10 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

Who said you need console to practice fuelweaver?

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10 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

difficult to the point

Incredible skill of interpretation.

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11 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

Pick Wortox and do it in your world. Don't want to use him? Craft a bunch of lazy travelers. Or just fight fuelweaver enough times while overgeared to get comfortable. Terrible excuses. 

Read 2.1.

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

god complex in a nutshell

???

8 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

If you are considering spells, he has 4 attacks:
The normal attack he hits you with;
The spiral bone attack;
The cage of bones;
And mind control;
He doesn't gain any other attacks during combat, the difference between the phases is the addition of the mini game, which as I said before I find it interesting.
But then, in the strategy outside the circle, if you fight with high sanity he doesn't use the mind spell, so 3, if you fight outside the circle he doesn't use the bone spiral, so 2, if you are face tanking the boss, the cage is indifferent, and there is 1 attack

mostly irrelevant and the point was that he always does melee attacks, bone cage and spikes falling down nearby the ancient gateway if he can during p1

1 hour ago, Cyrefy said:

The problem is not the difficulties, but how and why we deal with them

i already said that it's fun for me, most people simply never tried doing it or think that it's too hard, you're the 1st that i've seen that knows how to do that and thinks that it isn't fun, even though you've also said later that you think that it's fun

[Cyrefy]

7 minutes ago, grm9 said:

even though you've also said later that you think that it's fun

Please just read it.

1 hour ago, Cyrefy said:

I could complain about all the FW methods for hours... but regarding the bone cage, I don't think dodging is intentional, it's absurdly specific, aside from the fact that I don't think the arena was designed for the player to stay out of the circle, I feel super caustophobic doing this, but it's the way I do it, not by choice, many worlds I enter are already in spring and there are no more goats to farm, and no one deserves to wait until next winter for a walkingcane, then I learned to do it without anything because of that, but I hate it, I like using several items much more, but acquiring them is very inefficient, plus the boss outside the circle only has 1 attack, what I enjoy the most about this combat hell is dodging the spiral attack in the first phase.
But playing in the center of the circle is very problematic without a Weather Pain, because the boss's hitbox is very high, and I don't know why there is a huge pillar in the middle of the arena, besides the shadows sometimes have a silhouette visible enough to not let you click on the skulls that literally grow at the foot of the boss, and the boss's hitbox is so high, the skull is inside the hitbox, so if you try to press F it considers the boss to be closer, even though it clearly isn't .
The best strategy ends up being the most boring and the one that makes you feel like you are doing something that shouldn't be done.
And this is a boss that I prefer to do alone, because it's very easy for someone to get in the way, pulling the boss into the middle of the arena, plus more people means more shadow creatures, and for some reason you can't cancel mind control. with lazy explorer when there is more than one person (I tested with 2), and there can be no error, 1 error and the combat is over, it needs to be perfect, which ends up being boring, as I like playing in groups.
But if you think it's good, that's fine with me, but if it's changed in the future I'll be very happy  .

I think it's fun using the items but they are very rng and season lock. which practically forces people to do it the boring way on public servers. I think that if the items were more accessible and in all seasons it would be great, but unfortunately this would require a lot of changes because lazy explorer and weather pain wouldn't have many other uses, which ends up being easier to change the combat, so a possible rework would not be "the best way out", but the one that is most possible,
I'm glad you like the combat, at least some do.
I'm more interested in reporting my experience, you know, I would never press the "change" button even if I had the choice, precisely because of people like you, who enjoy the battle.
With the aim of maybe if everyone agrees at some point, it will finally change, and if it changes, these are things that irritate me.
I also forgot to add that for some reason some dev decided that precisely in this fight with a tiny arena to put 3 huge pillars in the corners of the arena, genius.

[grm9]

Just now, Cyrefy said:

Please just read it

1 hour ago, Cyrefy said:

the mini game, which as I said before I find it interesting

i meant this part of the message

1 minute ago, Cyrefy said:

which practically forces people to do it the boring way on public servers

i've never seen anyone do minimal gear FW on pubs

[Cyrefy]

8 minutes ago, grm9 said:

i've never seen anyone do minimal gear FW on pubs

Serious? Brazilians do it all the time...

Ameslarii is Brazilian too, just out of curiosity.

Maybe we're just built differently. 

14 minutes ago, grm9 said:

i meant this part of the message

I said interesting instead of fun on purpose, because I think that if there weren't the annoying things I mentioned it would be fun.
But I end up stressing myself out more than having fun.

[Cyrefy]

Gi-Go just send me this:

"Hello, you have a very interesting opinion on why you dislike fuelweaver fight, and i hope it's not a fake show off in order to not be dismissed as a noob. Can you make a video showcasing how you fight him, using the least amount of gear you need in order to beat weaver consistently? Obviously you don't need to prove me anything, I simply want to validate unique criticism but can't, since your texts have sceptical parts I won't elaborate on. "

I mean...

3 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

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15 hours ago, grm9 said:

that's why less than even 100 people can do minimal gear FW ig

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23 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

I think it was all just about the feeling of power that getting to kill the boss that no one likes to do brings.
And that would perhaps be invalidated if the battle were more enjoyable for other players to even feel like doing.
All about ego as always.

god complex in a nutshell.

Which again proves my point, that for many people it's not about having fun, it's about PROVING that you are BETTER than others, god complex in a nutshell.

And what's worse he refuses to read what I wrote.

[grm9]

1 minute ago, Cyrefy said:

Which again proves my point, that for many people it's not about having fun, it's about PROVING that you are BETTER than others, god complex in a nutshell

nope, you've brought up messages with people bringing up minimal gear FW being hard to do as an argument as examples of that even though they're unrelated to that, that's just misinformation about others

[Cyrefy]

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

nope, you've brought up messages with people bringing up minimal gear FW being hard to do as an argument as examples

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2 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

I could complain about all the FW methods for hours... but regarding the bone cage, I don't think dodging is intentional, it's absurdly specific, aside from the fact that I don't think the arena was designed for the player to stay out of the circle, I feel super caustophobic doing this, but it's the way I do it, not by choice, many worlds I enter are already in spring and there are no more goats to farm, and no one deserves to wait until next winter for a walkingcane, then I learned to do it without anything because of that, but I hate it, I like using several items much more, but acquiring them is very inefficient, plus the boss outside the circle only has 1 attack, what I enjoy the most about this combat hell is dodging the spiral attack in the first phase.
But playing in the center of the circle is very problematic without a Weather Pain, because the boss's hitbox is very high, and I don't know why there is a huge pillar in the middle of the arena, besides the shadows sometimes have a silhouette visible enough to not let you click on the skulls that literally grow at the foot of the boss, and the boss's hitbox is so high, the skull is inside the hitbox, so if you try to press F it considers the boss to be closer, even though it clearly isn't .
The best strategy ends up being the most boring and the one that makes you feel like you are doing something that shouldn't be done.
And this is a boss that I prefer to do alone, because it's very easy for someone to get in the way, pulling the boss into the middle of the arena, plus more people means more shadow creatures, and for some reason you can't cancel mind control. with lazy explorer when there is more than one person (I tested with 2), and there can be no error, 1 error and the combat is over, it needs to be perfect, which ends up being boring, as I like playing in groups.
But if you think it's good, that's fine with me, but if it's changed in the future I'll be very happy  .

 

4 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

The problem is not the difficulties, but how and why we deal with them.

 

[grm9]

Just now, Cyrefy said:

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that's unrelated, it's still considered as hard by most people because most people can't do that, so it doesn't make sense to say that the boss is simple, especially in comparison to other bosses, since all of them are simpler

[Cyrefy]

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

that's unrelated, it's still considered as hard by most people because most people can't do that

And yet that explains why...

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

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10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

say that the boss is simple

You see, I didn't say boss battle, I said boss, and I was specifically referring to that

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4 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

If you are considering spells, he has 4 attacks:
The normal attack he hits you with;
The spiral bone attack;
The cage of bones;
And mind control;
He doesn't gain any other attacks during combat, the difference between the phases is the addition of the mini game, which as I said before I find it interesting.
But then, in the strategy outside the circle, if you fight with high sanity he doesn't use the mind spell, so 3, if you fight outside the circle he doesn't use the bone spiral, so 2, if you are face tanking the boss, the cage is indifferent, and there is 1 attack.

And I thought it was more than clear that

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mini-game second phase.

4 hours ago, Cyrefy said:

which as I said before I find it interesting.

 

[grm9]

5 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

And yet that explains why...

explains why what? no, that doesn't explain why you brought up complexes after i said that most people consider FW as hard as a response to you saying that he's simple

[Cyrefy]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

FW as hard as a response to you saying that he's simple

I literally just explained.

7 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

I didn't say boss battle, I said boss, and I was specifically referring to that

 

[grm9]

Just now, Cyrefy said:

I literally just explained

through a message edit, so i didn't see that, still doesn't seem to be related to complexes

[Cyrefy]

 

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

through a message edit, so i didn't see that, still doesn't seem to be related to complexes

oh my god now I understand 

Is this all about winning?

Is this a kind of competition for you?

If it's really important to you

17 minutes ago, Cyrefy said:

mini-game second phase.

I had added this part because I cut it wrong. 

But I guess that's it, I didn't realize it was all about you wanting to be right. I prefer to use my time to contribute in some way to the game's development, thus sharing my experience with the devs, because that's how they can develop engaging content for all types of players.
So I won't feed your ego goodbye.