Using math to prove wilson is weaker than a tree (please fix)

[shaurun]

1 hour ago, MrsBoris said:

i made it very clear why im mad and i can quote myself again "all your arguments are defeated with common sense or are just blatant lie."   Now for this comment, you are telling me what you like to do sometimes, this has no cohesion, you dont even say the point you want to make, and why would you fight something with a torch and an ice flingo matic? its such a weird and counter intuitive choice. if you still wanna keep commenting dumb and useless comments keep them to yourself kid.

But I'm not lying. I'm probably not very good in English so I'll try to explain what I mean again:

1. Imagine a hound wave and you appeared to be far from your traps/other methods of protection. Yes sure you can run in most cases but sometimes I choose to fight, e.g. I know if I'll run they could kill last of the beefalo's herd. But fighting multiple mobs is not a simple task, so I strike them with a torch to make them panic and then switch to my normal weapon.

2. I found koalefant, I want to eat cooked meat now but I don't want to spare time to chop trees for the firepit.Kill him while he is burning and you'll receive cooked meat.

3. It's night and the houndwave approaching but all I have from light soruces is a torch. I can either set a tree on fire, or strike a mob with a torch so he would be my light source while I fight. This strategy (setting mob on fire for the light) was actually one of my favourite in DS Hamlet, in Together I use it sometimes but pretty rare.

[MrsBoris]

2 hours ago, shaurun said:

But I'm not lying. I'm probably not very good in English so I'll try to explain what I mean again:

1. Imagine a hound wave and you appeared to be far from your traps/other methods of protection. Yes sure you can run in most cases but sometimes I choose to fight, e.g. I know if I'll run they could kill last of the beefalo's herd. But fighting multiple mobs is not a simple task, so I strike them with a torch to make them panic and then switch to my normal weapon.

2. I found koalefant, I want to eat cooked meat now but I don't want to spare time to chop trees for the firepit.Kill him while he is burning and you'll receive cooked meat.

3. It's night and the houndwave approaching but all I have from light soruces is a torch. I can either set a tree on fire, or strike a mob with a torch so he would be my light source while I fight. This strategy (setting mob on fire for the light) was actually one of my favourite in DS Hamlet, in Together I use it sometimes but pretty rare.

ok... none of wilson skills help these cases where you CAN use a torch, you just to hit them once to put them on fire, durability and range or toss dont change that.

again, use common sense and you'll see your argument is pointless. wilson skill tree is still useless.

[Cheggf]

2 hours ago, Bird Up said:

what is the point of torch toss. like i dont get it. it feels like im missing something, but it really is just toss a torch

Creates light without needing a slot 

[hoppin mandrake]

6 hours ago, Bird Up said:

what is the point of torch toss. like i dont get it. it feels like im missing something, but it really is just toss a torch

Can do things like chop trees or mine boulders with a quick light source at night. Useful in early game until you get a lantern. The whole torch tree seems like an early game thing to me.

They should make the "last longer" skills last extra long or something, Like as long as a full lantern, then at least the lantern would have some competition.

[Cheggf]

1 hour ago, hoppin mandrake said:

Can do things like chop trees or mine boulders with a quick light source at night. Useful in early game until you get a lantern. The whole torch tree seems like an early game thing to me.

Torch skills make the torch last so long with a light so large and the lantern ability to be placed on the floor that keeping torches instead of making lanterns is an attractive choice. 

1 hour ago, hoppin mandrake said:

They should make the "last longer" skills last extra long or something, Like as long as a full lantern, then at least the lantern would have some competition.

Why should the thing that's basically free be just as durable as the thing that requires you to go through 2 loading screens explicitly out of your way with the intent to gather materials (which quickly spoil into rot if not used shortly after being picked) specifically to refuel it for? The lantern has competition right now: you can fully dedicate 1 or 2 slots to exclusively a light item which requires going back underground periodically to refuel, or you can use disposable torches made out of stuff that most people carry around anyways.

If the torch had the same durability as the lantern there would be no competition. No one would ever use something that's more expensive and has less functionality. 

[kiwikenobi]

I main Wilson, and I barely use torches no matter which skills I pick because I'm usually like this by day three:

 

 

I think the torch skills are fine the way they are, they don't bother me, as someone who uses Wilson exclusively.

 

And originally, I was going to say of course he's weaker than a tree, he's just a regular human, trees are usually bigger and stronger and harder to destroy without the right tools, and then there are treeguards to consider, but now I see that's not the point of the thread at all. ^o^;>

[Gi-Go]

Also Wilson throws torches on accident when you try to light a tree so there is that 

[ShadowDuelist]

Wilson’s skill tree was fine and interesting when he was the only one with a skill tree. Torch toss was a super cheap scienceless way to keep areas with light almost for free and that was good enough.
 

Now that everyone is getting skill trees, having a bland skill tree selection is feeling useless again by comparison. 
Solution: Buff his current lackluster trees (like the torch) make some powerful and impactful transmutation recipes change 1 to 1 (like gold to nitre) make beard storage preserve perishables like a fridge, and add new transmutation recipes.

EG:

Spoiler

combine living bunnies and gunpowder to create bunnies with gunpowder taped that run towards enemies and explode

Living mosquitos sticked to a string that acts like a cheap life leeching whip,

A perishable hat made of frog legs that is waterproof and acid proof.

Changing living logs to brightshade husk, changing lighbulbs to lesser glowberries, and lesser glowberries to glowberries.

Unique late game lunar and shadow items. I think its fair that the main character has access to more options.

And other crazy wilson-ish shenanigans.
 

 

[mkemal23]

47 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Wilson’s skill tree was fine and interesting when he was the only one with a skill tree. Torch toss was a super cheap scienceless way to keep areas with light almost for free and that was good enough.

Now that everyone is getting skill trees, having a bland skill tree selection is feeling useless again by comparison. 

Exactly. Wilson was fine when other chracters had relatively small upsides and downsides. New skill trees give a lot of power to characters without giving them any downsides. (Not that I want other characters to be nerfed) This makes Wilson's only real power pointless since since there is little to none characters with considerable downsides.

47 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Solution: Buff his current lackluster trees (like the torch) make some powerful and impactful transmutation recipes change 1 to 1 (like gold to nitre) make beard storage preserve perishables like a fridge, and add new transmutation recipes.

I'm glad to see that you also think transmutation ratios should change. But I somewhat disagree with you, I think, instead of changing some transmutations to 1/1 ratio, majority of Wilsons transmutitons should just be 2/1 raito. (Example: 2 hound toooth 1 boneshard, 2 boneshard to 1 hound tooth)

47 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

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combine living bunnies and gunpowder to create bunnies with gunpowder taped that run towards enemies and explode

Living mosquitos sticked to a string that acts like a cheap life leeching whip,

A perishable hat made of frog legs that is waterproof and acid proof.

Changing living logs to brightshade husk, changing lighbulbs to lesser glowberries, and lesser glowberries to glowberries.

Unique late game lunar and shadow items. I think its fair that the main character has access to more options.

And other crazy wilson-ish shenanigans.
 

Using alive creatures as experimental stuff is one the most unique and fitting ideas I have ever seen on this forums. It fits so well with Wilson's default model background as well. I hope klei sees this.

[MrsBoris]

13 hours ago, hoppin mandrake said:

Can do things like chop trees or mine boulders with a quick light source at night. Useful in early game until you get a lantern. The whole torch tree seems like an early game thing to me.

They should make the "last longer" skills last extra long or something, Like as long as a full lantern, then at least the lantern would have some competition.

your comment is answered by my post. go read what i wrote before commenting.

17 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Creates light without needing a slot 

no, thats... what? thats not even what the torch toss is supposed to do its because you are hands free which is not the same was not needing a slot... is it a problem with speaking english or do you people don't play DST? (Im not a native english speaker, im for south america)

12 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Torch skills make the torch last so long with a light so large and the lantern ability to be placed on the floor that keeping torches instead of making lanterns is an attractive choice. 
Why should the thing that's basically free be just as durable as the thing that requires you to go through 2 loading screens explicitly out of your way with the intent to gather materials (which quickly spoil into rot if not used shortly after being picked) specifically to refuel it for? The lantern has competition right now: you can fully dedicate 1 or 2 slots to exclusively a light item which requires going back underground periodically to refuel, or you can use disposable torches made out of stuff that most people carry around anyways.

If the torch had the same durability as the lantern there would be no competition. No one would ever use something that's more expensive and has less functionality. 

its not an attractive choice for they are still not as good as a lantern. torches arent free you have to keep grass and twigs on you all the time and they are better of not being wasted on torches. what is the problem of going through loading screens if its only once a season. the lantern doesn't have competition and the lantern is also available to everyone. if you use a lantern you need 1 and 1 light bulb travel per season to keep and entire team of people loaded, disposable torches are a waste, will cost you 2-3 slots for the crafting materials at least and are exclusive to wilson, you have to BUY these torch upgrades with points you can spend in other things remember?.

also, lighting a tree on fire makes all torch points obsolete, is available to all characters and costs no slots. the lantern is much cheaper, has more range and durability than torch and costs no points.

I don't know why don't know why so many people that don't read the post (if you read the posts before you would not have commented such a wrong and dumb comment) decide to post random idiotic statements. I suggest you refrain from posting further dumb contenting and think twice before showing your lack of knowledge on the subject.

[Swiyss]

On 12/3/2023 at 5:59 PM, MrsBoris said:

75 AUTUMN NIGHTS OF FULL SCREEN ILUMINATION (PER TORCH) WHILE BEING AVAILABLE TO ALL CHARACTERS AND COSTING 0 POINTS.

Omg i never laughed so hard in my life dudee.