New DS update.

[mima_]

haha  dont starve TOGETHER: ALONE edition.


 haha old farm is cheap. 


haha 

 

[Jakepeng99]

14 hours ago, Hungry French said:

Wow ! Such cool bosses and new biomes !

One of the most amazing updates of the single version of Don't Starve Together in recent times.
How good that Klei support the game with new content updates and even add content for DLC's too and don't forget about Don't Starve Together.
It's great that Klei takes care of solo players and those who like to play with friends.


Phew. How do you like this huge update? How do you like the new bosses ? New biomes ? It's unbelievable !


 

I do actually think solo ds with hamlet and shipwrecked is much better than dst, though dst gets updates and has multiplayer. 

[Hungry French]

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

Untrue, with a group of 6 players you can kill bosses instantly while solo players struggle for half an hour. The game is easier for teams.

Playing as a team turns bosses into a basic hp DS for 1 player.  
Of course, they will be more difficult simply because there is no hp scaling in the game and their hp has already been done for more than 1 player.
I'm talking about other difficulties that are much less after DS and about the lost interesting mechanics

[Sacco]

DS got his final update this april, when everyone was thinking the game was left buggy (mostly hamlet) but Klei decided to make a last and BIG update for the 10 years of DS.

Since that update i have encountered 0 problematic bugs in hamlet, some in rog and 0 in shipwrecked.

Klei put a lot of effort in that update to give the game a proper end, and now it is ended for real.

These updates are just hereto fix some things they probably forgot/didn't manage to fix before, so i wouldn't complain a lot about them.

[Hungry French]

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

Local worlds were never advertised as solo worlds in the first place. Local worlds simply are servers that can only be joined by people from your Local Area Network(LAN).

DST were never advertised as solo game. DST. DST is a multiplayer game that allows you to play alone, but is not created for alone

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

We have that already, it's call single player Don't Starve. DST is a different game from DS, they are meant to be different, it's "A New Reign" after all.

They must be different in order to meet the multiplayer standards.
It's ironic that single player died when they stopped updating DS, and DST is already a game for the multiplayer, not for solo

 

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

Playing with teammates would make survival of my PC on the edge, as having the caves split into 2 shards means my PC would have to stimulate 4 worlds simultaneous, this would just make the experience worse.

Actually there were 7 shards in DS not counting Shipwrecked and Hamlet

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

You can just tune down amount of food generated in a world.

And how can I change how the map is generated ?
How do different mechanics work ?
How do I add 3 shard ?
How to return non rework characters ?

 

11 hours ago, _zwb said:

The amount of misunderstanding in this thread is rather concerning, sure, language barrier is a thing, but I don't think we'll get any further on this topic if we can't even understand each other's words.

Well, I understood what he meant

9 hours ago, hoppin mandrake said:

I actually only play solo on DST. I like the lone survivor experience.

I also like the challenge of defeating raid bosses by myself or by using clever methods to cheese them that either I or people online discover. I only recently beat crab king for the first time after dying numerous times while messing up. The bee method worked best for me. Kudos to whoever thought of that. That's one of my favorite things about this game is that there are so many different ways you can tackle objectives.

I will play multiplayer in the future once I finish beating all the bosses by myself, but I would not want to play on a public server with griefers, I would only want to play on private servers with real diehard DST fans.

I stopped playing DS once I learned that DST was the game that Klei was committed to updating/adding content too.

This is the main problem of DST. You are forced by updates to leave a good alone game for a game that has been created for a lot of people on the server all its existence.
I can understand the advantages of high hp in creatures and bosses (although this was not done for solo players, but 2-6 people ) , but everything else that has been changed from DS and DST is an attempt to make the game convenient for multiplayer and in a solo game it feels terrible after a perfect alone experience in DS

Players literally have no choice and they are forced to either fall in love with the terrible solo DST experience or not play the game at all.

DST solo experience is as terrible as if 6 people could enter the DS world, where part of the mechanics works terribly for multiplayer and there are very few resources and there is no self-renewal of resources

Now we have DS complete = solo experience complete.
DST updating = multiplayer experience not complete (solo experience has already lived 2 times less than multiplayer experience simply because Klei added skins to DST)

If Klei are completed DS, and DST is a multiplayer experience, then the only way to get a new solo experience is to wait for the release of a new game in the Don't Starve universe (not New Home, but a new game from Klei)
 

[chirsg]

29 minutes ago, Sacco said:

Since that update i have encountered 0 problematic bugs in hamlet, some in rog and 0 in shipwrecked.

 

Personally, I unfortunately have. There's one where I shift click items into a container in hamlet and the items just get deleted. I lost like 400 oincs doing that. 

[Hungry French]

3 hours ago, prettynuggets said:

haha old farm is cheap. 

DST solo experience is as terrible as if 6 people could enter the DS world, where part of the mechanics works terribly for multiplayer and there are very few resources and there is no self-renewal of resources

 

3 hours ago, prettynuggets said:

haha  dont starve TOGETHER: ALONE edition.

And why aren't you laughing with how Klei in 2016 is releasing Don't Starve TOGETHER, which is essentially a standalone multiplayer expansion.

They are MULTIPLAYER as a separate game and the funny thing is that this STANDALONE MULTIPLAYER DLC is already has more content than DS  and is being replaced completely.

They have been developing multiplayer DLC for more than the main game. This is the most absurd thing I've ever seen in my life

Don 't you want to laugh at this **** ?

[Sacco]

12 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Personally, I unfortunately have. There's one where I shift click items into a container in hamlet and the items just get deleted. I lost like 400 oincs doing that. 

oh, i think i just got lucky...

[Hungry French]

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I do actually think solo ds with hamlet and shipwrecked is much better than dst, though dst gets updates and has multiplayer. 

Shipwrecked was moved using Island Adventures...
Hamlet is a small and short DLC that can't compare to the 7 year old DST updates
Compare your survival in Together, which is 5 times bigger than Hamlet, and survival in Hamlet, where almost all the content can be obtained in an incredibly short time

41 minutes ago, Sacco said:

Klei put a lot of effort in that update to give the game a proper end, and now it is ended for real.

Shipwrecked and Caves are still empty and have virtually no content

One could say that DST ended in 2016 .  And we wouldn't get a lot of cool updates

And not DS is ended, Don't Starve alone experience is ended.

And DST is the only multiplayer game.(If you are allowed to play alone, it does not mean that the game was created for alone)

It would be very funny if DST could not be played alone at all only if there are 2 people on the server. And if you don't have internet, you wouldn't be able to play. 
Then it would be the peak of Klei's disgusting attitude towards the alone players

And alone players would have no choice but to play a dead DS game

[mathem99]

I'm probably in the minority of people who enjoy DS over DST and actively play it.

DST was made with multiplayer in mind and I can't see it otherwise being played solo. Having to take half an hour to kill a single boss feels like a chore to me, and no, I don't think using "cheese strats" or crafting multiple weather panes / pan flutes as a solution. What I simple love about DS is the fact that all content are open for the Player to explore, not being locked behind tedious jobs like doing odd jobs for Wagstaff, going to Pearl's island, etc. And the missing content that some people want in DS, like the new farming mechanics seem unnecessary to me, the old farming is ideal for single-player and was not viable at all in DST. So porting it over is not needed. Skins are purely cosmetic purpose and other than base-building seems irrelevant in DS, so I'm on the fence about it. As for the other content in DST I think they can stay there, DST will always have its differences to DS and I'm more than happy about that, just like how DS has Shipwrecked and Hamlet DST has RoT, ANR, and From Beyond.

TLDR; Don't Starve will always be superior in my eyes in comparison to Don't Starve Together, I know I'm in the minority about this and I'm not saying this to rile people up, it's just my honest opinion and seeing any future updates for DS will always make my heart flutter, bug fixes or content-wise. As for DST, it will always be a gem in my eyes, simple one that I cannot fully enjoy because I prefer single-player games.

[Frosty_Mentos]

You know that DST and DS isn't technically the same game by engine, programming and everything else? Singleplayer got a very old and outdated coding that been cleaned up by courtesy to a community member that had done those updates. Nothing else adding because it's finished for them as is and won't bring money to support their company.

DST being a sequel that brings them cash is a bigger priority over the few that may be mad about a game that everyone has.

[_zwb]

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

DST were never advertised as solo game. DST. DST is a multiplayer game that allows you to play alone, but is not created for alone

And the problem with that is?

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

Actually there were 7 shards in DS not counting Shipwrecked and Hamlet

In single player Don't Starve you don't have to simulate 7 shards at once, but in DST you would.

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

And how can I change how the map is generated ?
How do different mechanics work ?
How do I add 3 shard ?
How to return non rework characters ?

Mods can change world generation and game  mechanics.
You can already have more shards by hosting a dedicated server

Also "Mods" mean modifications, not moderation, you misunderstood it as the latter in previous comments.

[PunkShark]

There's a time where you've got to move on. DS has been getting updates since 2013, they created post-content, and multiple DLC's just because they wanted to, whether it was a collaboration between Capybara games or if it was just because they needed a passion project like Hamlet. They could've stopped right then and there with RoG but they didn't. The game was finished long before the rest of the DLC's came into fruition. It is old, with tons of outdated coding that they're no longer familiar with and for them there is no more to add for DS. Their vision is done-so, finished. It had a start, and an ending with some sprinkles on top. 

DST had to be built from the ground-up with multiplayer in mind for it to work. Despite the longevity of DST the game is not finished, there is still a vision that klei wants to go for and a story they want to tell. But eventually DST will end as well, nothing lasts forever as depressing as it sounds and there is a time where the game studio, and the players, have to move on.

[Hungry French]

1 hour ago, mathem99 said:

What I simple love about DS is the fact that all content are open for the Player to explore, not being locked behind tedious jobs like doing odd jobs for Wagstaff, going to Pearl's island, etc.

There is very little of this content. And it would be better if the game had odd jobs for Wagstaff and Pearl's island

 

1 hour ago, mathem99 said:

And the missing content that some people want in DS, like the new farming mechanics seem unnecessary to me, the old farming is ideal for single-player and was not viable at all in DST. So porting it over is not needed.

Why not add garlic and other plants in the garden ? And new recipes ?

Shipwrecked will transfer to DST as a good mod. Hamlet will also be moved to DST in the future.

1 hour ago, mathem99 said:

 As for the other content in DST I think they can stay there, DST will always have its differences to DS and I'm more than happy about that, just like how DS has Shipwrecked and Hamlet DST has RoT, ANR, and From Beyond.

Updates are vital to the game.

DS The caves are incredibly empty and there is essentially nothing there except the entrance to the ruins.  toadstool, nightmare werepig, moon mushroom forest, Ancient Archive and Atrium an Ancient Fuel Weaver should be added to the caves. Then the caves will be a full-fledged world, and not the entrance to the ruins.

 It would be worth adding Lesser Glow Berry to the ruins, because without them worms and their transformation into glow berry does not make sense. Cave Hole would be worth adding that there would be more uses of The Last Forever and this complements the ruins.

It would be worth adding all the New Reign bosses to the surface, because there is nothing interesting in the game except seasonal bosses and the guardian of ruins and ruins.

The Bundling Wrap falls from the bees to the DS, not from the queen bees...

The game essentially needs all the DST content at all ( with the exception of the rework of the sea ) The game needs to close its emptiness and the fact that survival is too short and has practically no goals.

What's the point of tulecite items if by the time you receive them you will most likely kill all the seasonal bosses, and there are no other unsafe places like ruins or other bosses...

It doesn't even make sense for you to extract resources, because you have nothing to strive for

 

1 hour ago, mathem99 said:

As for DST, it will always be a gem in my eyes, simple one that I cannot fully enjoy because I prefer single-player games.

I feel similar

1 hour ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

DST being a sequel that brings them cash is a bigger priority over the few that may be mad about a game that everyone has.

This is not a sequel. This is a standalone multiplayer expansion. It's just a giant damn multiplayer DLC

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

And the problem with that is?

The fact that solo DS is much lower quality than multiplayer DST

 

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

In single player Don't Starve you don't have to simulate 7 shards at once, but in DST you would.

Because 4 of them are useless, because there is nowhere to spend thulecite items in the game. Ruins is the only reason why caves exist

 

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

Mods can change world generation and game  mechanics.
You can already have more shards by hosting a dedicated server

But there are no mods that make world generation and mechanics like in DS
And characters, objects and animations as in DS.

 

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

Also "Mods" mean modifications, not moderation, you misunderstood it as the latter in previous comments.

I used the wrong word

[Frosty_Mentos]

13 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

This is not a sequel. This is a standalone multiplayer expansion. It's just a giant damn multiplayer DLC

The game literally has a stamp in it's starting menu saying 'a sequel of sorts' also ignoring the rest of the post I did just makes you prove that point that the game is it's own thing :X a lot of work been put into making DST and it doesn't connect to singleplayer and all of it's old outdated mechanics.

[Hungry French]

38 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

There's a time where you've got to move on. DS has been getting updates since 2013, they created post-content, and multiple DLC's just because they wanted to, whether it was a collaboration between Capybara games or if it was just because they needed a passion project like Hamlet. They could've stopped right then and there with RoG but they didn't. The game was finished long before the rest of the DLC's came into fruition. It is old, with tons of outdated coding that they're no longer familiar with and for them there is no more to add for DS. Their vision is done-so, finished.

As a DS game, it's more like a beta version of DST...
And its only important unique content is Hamlet. Everything else is implemented in DST, taking into account multiplayer and multiplied by 3-4 free DLS for DST

 

41 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

But eventually DST will end as well, nothing lasts forever as depressing as it sounds and there is a time where the game studio, and the players, have to move on.

The problem with DST is that multiplayer players got a much higher quality game than DS.

Is it bad that DST will end? Multiplayer players have already received too much, and alone players have not received anything for DS for years.

(Next year alone players can celebrate the fifth anniversary of how they forgot what content updates and DLC's are)
(After 3 years of multiplayer, players can celebrate the decade that developers have been giving them content updates (and free DLC's) for 10 years. )

The end of DST means that Klei can create a new Don't Starve game that combines the best of DS and DST.
And I hope that the Klei will not make mistakes again in the new Don't Starve game and will not divide the community into DS (alone) players and DST (multiplayer) players

14 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

The game literally has a stamp in it's starting menu saying 'a sequel of sorts' also ignoring the rest of the post I did just makes you prove that point that the game is it's own thing :X a lot of work been put into making DST and it doesn't connect to singleplayer and all of it's old outdated mechanics.

...
If it were a sequel, then first of all the game would be created primarily for alone.
Secondly , developers would not copy DS + RoG and transfer it to DST

This is a multiplayer remaster with new DLC's, not a sequel. 
Sequels do not include the first original game and DLC ( albeit modified for multiplayer )
 

Now imagine, when you launch Dark Souls II, you find yourself in the same game as Dark Souls I, but with updated graphics and constantly online, after which in the future you will find giant Dark Souls II content, which literally should not be in the game because of the lore of the original Dark Souls I.

This is what DST looks like, only the online influence on DST spoils the players' impression of DST much worse

[_zwb]

59 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Because 4 of them are useless,

The reason why you don't have to simulate 7 worlds at once is because there's only one player, so only 1 world needs to be simulated and there's no separation of server and client simulations. In DST however you would have to keep other worlds stimulated because other players are there. It's pointless to talk about this when you don't even understand the technical reasons behind merging caves and ruins......

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

But there are no mods that make world generation and mechanics like in DS And characters, objects and animations as in DS.

Mods are capable of doing so, you can make them yourself or get someone else to do it. If you need it that much.

[Uedo]

This is such a non-thread. Download a mod to edit your experience, accept the reality that the game is not the same as DS in the way you like or move on.

At this point you're crying that you've bit into a rock and it didn't taste of candy, it's not the same thing.

[Hungry French]

54 minutes ago, _zwb said:

The reason why you don't have to simulate 7 worlds at once is because there's only one player, so only 1 world needs to be simulated and there's no separation of server and client simulations. In DST however you would have to keep other worlds stimulated because other players are there. It's pointless to talk about this when you don't even understand the technical reasons behind merging caves and ruins......

What about Don't Starve Alone ( mod )

 

55 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Mods are capable of doing so, you can make them yourself or get someone else to do it. If you need it that much.

It's too complicated. It is necessary to rewrite the DST code so that it would work similarly to DS

And the fact that no one has been able to make ruins under the caves for 7 years is very disappointing and does not give hope

I don't think anyone will waste their time for me to make such a complex mod for me

43 minutes ago, Uedo said:

Download a mod to edit your experience, accept the reality that the game is not the same as DS in the way you like or move on.

There is no mod that can make alone experience and i can't create this .

And there's nowhere else to move. DS is not updated . DST is a multiplayer game without DS content. There is no road here

[Jakepeng99]

3 hours ago, mathem99 said:

I'm probably in the minority of people who enjoy DS over DST and actively play it.

DST was made with multiplayer in mind and I can't see it otherwise being played solo. Having to take half an hour to kill a single boss feels like a chore to me, and no, I don't think using "cheese strats" or crafting multiple weather panes / pan flutes as a solution. What I simple love about DS is the fact that all content are open for the Player to explore, not being locked behind tedious jobs like doing odd jobs for Wagstaff, going to Pearl's island, etc. And the missing content that some people want in DS, like the new farming mechanics seem unnecessary to me, the old farming is ideal for single-player and was not viable at all in DST. So porting it over is not needed. Skins are purely cosmetic purpose and other than base-building seems irrelevant in DS, so I'm on the fence about it. As for the other content in DST I think they can stay there, DST will always have its differences to DS and I'm more than happy about that, just like how DS has Shipwrecked and Hamlet DST has RoT, ANR, and From Beyond.

TLDR; Don't Starve will always be superior in my eyes in comparison to Don't Starve Together, I know I'm in the minority about this and I'm not saying this to rile people up, it's just my honest opinion and seeing any future updates for DS will always make my heart flutter, bug fixes or content-wise. As for DST, it will always be a gem in my eyes, simple one that I cannot fully enjoy because I prefer single-player games.

One of my hopes for dst is reworking some of the raid bosses. 

11 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

And the fact that no one has been able to make ruins under the caves for 7 years is very disappointing and does not give hope

We don't need that, and as zwb said, it causes alot of unessisary lag for multiplayer. 

[Hungry French]

6 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

One of my hopes for dst is reworking some of the raid bosses.

Due to the fact that DS bosses are practically a late game,
 

 

8 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

We don't need that, and as zwb said, it causes alot of unessisary lag for multiplayer.

But it can be good alone and with Don't Starve alone mod

[Jakepeng99]

3 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Due to the fact that DS bosses are practically a late game,
 

 

But it can be good alone and with Don't Starve alone mod

Sacraficing multiplayer for an unessisary thihg in single player is pretty bad.

[Hungry French]

4 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Sacraficing multiplayer for an unessisary thihg in single player is pretty bad.

It would be possible to make ruins under caves in DST just for a single game. In multiplayer, the game will still have ruins in caves

[Uedo]

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

There is no mod that can make alone experience and i can't create this .

And there's nowhere else to move. DS is not updated . DST is a multiplayer game without DS content. There is no road here

Well there we go then, accept it or move on are the options you've got I guess

[xWebberGamingXx]

On 10/28/2023 at 7:36 PM, Hungry French said:

Good. Klei believe that they have finished working on DS and are now working only on DST, but DST is a game created for multiplayer.
When something like DS 2 appears, where the overall balance of the game will be made for a single player.
And the new DS2 will receive new updates and skins and it will be supported for at least 10 years as in DS. When will solo players receive content ?
Or whatever you want to call the new game

you know if you want the game to be more balanced around single player, there's a health scaling mod that tones down the health of all mobs to make it similar to what it was in normal don't starve