skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Creatingabe1125]

On 8/25/2025 at 9:53 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Does that mean I should make it so they can only be placed on sticky webbing

I mean it’s be nice to be forced to make it next to a spider nest or unlock another separate skill to place it.

On 8/25/2025 at 9:53 PM, Dr.Webber said:

True but I figured since it’s being pulled from someone else’s Webber skill tree and they had made it all three bugs what’s wrong with a little extra utility so what do you think?

I still think the same thing. If you want to add that then sure but I don’t see how that’s useful to Webber’s kit or skills and also removes the need for the early uses of bug nets without a need for it.

On 8/25/2025 at 9:53 PM, Dr.Webber said:

So should I remove this part of the description of homemade  dens 

 if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type,

Yeah.

On 8/25/2025 at 9:53 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Also, could you help me with my last comment on a new post of mine

What do you need help with specifically?

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I mean it’s be nice to be forced to make it next to a spider nest or unlock another separate skill to place it.

Wait if we have one skill to craft it why would we need another skill to to place it (also in case it wasn’t already clear what inspired this idea is star craft Zerg structure placement)

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

still think the same thing. If you want to add that then sure but I don’t see how that’s useful to Webber’s kit or skills and also removes the need for the early uses of bug nets without a need for it.

Ok, I figured removing the need for crafting a bug net would be a bonus since it makes things more efficient 

Also, do you think I should add them not being afraid of him anymore to the skill as well as the scale changing his quote for butterflies in the item form?

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What do you need help with specifically?

Formatting the ideas also, do you think I should add being able to eat Dorians without damage to the no picky eater skill since it’s a monster food and he’s a monster? What do you think I should just keep that skill the same?

Edited August 29, 2025 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

Also, do you think I should add something a little more to emphasize the fact,he’s a monster

[Creatingabe1125]

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Wait if we have one skill to craft it why would we need another skill to to place it (also in case it wasn’t already clear what inspired this idea is star craft Zerg structure placement)

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I mean it’s be nice to be forced to make it next to a spider nest or unlock another separate skill to place it.

Sry I meant it’d be nice not to be forced.

idk what that is but what idea are you talking about that was inspired by that?

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ok, I figured removing the need for crafting a bug net would be a bonus since it makes things more efficient 

Also, do you think I should add them not being afraid of him anymore to the skill as well as the scale changing his quote for butterflies in the item form?

So are you gonna let him catch bees and fireflies too or just butterflies?

I don’t think it’s needed cause the butterflies aren’t friends with Webber like wormwood. And either way you’ll still catch them.

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Formatting the ideas also, do you think I should add being able to eat Dorians without damage to the no picky eater skill since it’s a monster food and he’s a monster? What do you think I should just keep that skill the same?

What’s the problem with what they already wrote? It’s a bit long but they state what it’s based off and what it would do. Not sure as spiders do only eat meat but idk if it hurts other monsters like depth worms and it also affects Woby from what I read, though it won’t have that much of an impact as durians don’t grant a lot of hunger compared to other foods.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Also, do you think I should add something a little more to emphasize the fact,he’s a monster

What would you do to show that?

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think it’s needed cause the butterflies aren’t friends with Webber like wormwood. And either way you’ll still catch them.

StarCraft is a video game where throughout the game you play as three fractions as different chapters of the game and one of the chapters you play as a fraction called the zerg

For the Zerg, most structures can only be built on "creep," a purple, fleshy biomass that spreads from certain Zerg buildings, like the Hatchery. 

Expansion is key: Zerg players must strategically expand their creep with structures like Creep Tumors to gain ground and vision.

Off-creep construction: The main Zerg base structure, the Hatchery, can be built anywhere, but the rest of their buildings are restricted to the creep. 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So are you gonna let him catch bees and fireflies too or just butterflies?

Haven’t fully decided yet

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think it’s needed cause the butterflies aren’t friends with Webber like wormwood. And either way you’ll still catch them.

That makes  me think why is it that butterflies are flies are wormwood’s friends?

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What’s the problem with what they already wrote? It’s a bit long but they state what it’s based off and what it would do. Not sure as spiders do only eat meat but idk if it hurts other monsters like depth worms and it also affects Woby from what I read, though it won’t have that much of an impact as durians don’t grant a lot of hunger compared to other foods.

I made a few alterations to their ideas cause there’s no crafting recipe for  switcherdoodle or a name for each of the spiders also if I’m remembering right they didn’t say how much health they have or damage they do

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What would you do to show that?

I actually don’t know. Let me know if you have any ideas.

[A.P.Erson]

I had an idea for a spider sack backpack that webber could make out of a spider sack that would have inventory slots that could fit both items AND large amounts of spiders. There are certain slots in it that would accept either items or spiders and then there would be an extra amount of slots that would only accept spiders. If you right clicked it in your inventory or right clicked yourself then you would use it like a bush hat or a snurtle shell. Doing that would have all the spiders inside crawl out one at a time at quick pace. If you use a webby whistle while wearing the spider sack backpack then all of your tamed spiders would run to you and enter the backpack automatically until it is full or there are no more spiders. The backpack starts at "level 1" and has 2 regular inventory slots and 4 spider only slots, but you can upgrade it by using web on it while it is on the ground. After giving it 5 web it will grow to level 2 which would have 4 regular inventory slots and an 6 spider slots. Another 8 web will turn it to level 3. At level 3 it can fit 6 regular inventory slots and 8 spider only slots and also gains the ability to make the area around you sticky when you hide in it and making spiders automatically attack anything standing on the sticky turf as their first priority.

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, A.P.Erson said:

I had an idea for a spider sack backpack that webber could make out of a spider sack that would have inventory slots that could fit both items AND large amounts of spiders. There are certain slots in it that would accept either items or spiders and then there would be an extra amount of slots that would only accept spiders. If you right clicked it in your inventory or right clicked yourself then you would use it like a bush hat or a snurtle shell. Doing that would have all the spiders inside crawl out one at a time at quick pace. If you use a webby whistle while wearing the spider sack backpack then all of your tamed spiders would run to you and enter the backpack automatically until it is full or there are no more spiders. The backpack starts at "level 1" and has 2 regular inventory slots and 4 spider only slots, but you can upgrade it by using web on it while it is on the ground. After giving it 5 web it will grow to level 2 which would have 4 regular inventory slots and an 6 spider slots. Another 8 web will turn it to level 3. At level 3 it can fit 6 regular inventory slots and 8 spider only slots and also gains the ability to make the area around you sticky when you hide in it and making spiders automatically attack anything standing on the sticky turf as their first priority.

We kinda did something similar with these two things 

Travel den: It’s a large backpack like item with 4 or 6 general slots, and a hidden 20 slot storage for spiders that can be opened like a polar bin. It also has the down side of slowing you down 10% Along side the general backpack slots there are 2 specialized slots with one containing healing glop for incredibly faster healing regeneration and the other slot is for storing spider food so they Don’t Starve. You can also use your webby whistle to call them out for battle or to call them back in in emergencies or to quickly heal or to just travel with them. It would cost 12 silk, 4 paper

 

(Original idea and Art by @blacknight7890, I edited in the flag)

 

• Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage(18 if you feed them electric milk),have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 

(You need this to craft the 3 care crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

 

Concept examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)

 

 

 

 

 

But this interests me feel free to go more in depth or craft form with description also if the spider egg sack is used. I definitely want to integrate the spiders from the Forge in someway, but this time make it six because you are how many spiders come out of tier one done normally plus the emergency ones and one spider queen to be then you get six and if we’re upgrading the done, maybe the amount of Forge spiders should increase to the amounts that are in the upper tiers of a spider den

[Dr.Webber]

On 8/30/2025 at 1:58 AM, Dr.Webber said:

But this interests me feel free to go more in depth or craft form with description also if the spider egg sack is used. I definitely want to integrate the spiders from the Forge in someway, but this time make it six because you are how many spiders come out of tier one done normally plus the emergency ones and one spider queen to be then you get six and if we’re upgrading the done, maybe the amount of Forge spiders should increase to the amounts that are in the upper tiers of a spider den

Hey @A.P.Erson you gonna respond I would like to read more about your idea and work together to implement it

[Creatingabe1125]

On 8/29/2025 at 12:37 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I made a few alterations to their ideas cause there’s no crafting recipe for  switcherdoodle or a name for each of the spiders also if I’m remembering right they didn’t say how much health they have or damage they do

 

I don’t see the alterations you made, only farming related suggestions. Did you want me to come up with that?

 

On 8/29/2025 at 12:37 PM, Dr.Webber said:

StarCraft is a video game where throughout the game you play as three fractions as different chapters of the game and one of the chapters you play as a fraction called the zerg

For the Zerg, most structures can only be built on "creep," a purple, fleshy biomass that spreads from certain Zerg buildings, like the Hatchery. 

Expansion is key: Zerg players must strategically expand their creep with structures like Creep Tumors to gain ground and vision.

Off-creep construction: The main Zerg base structure, the Hatchery, can be built anywhere, but the rest of their buildings are restricted to the creep

I just thought it was based off Wurt’s structures having to be placed on marsh turf.

On 8/29/2025 at 12:37 PM, Dr.Webber said:

That makes  me think why is it that butterflies are flies are wormwood’s friends?

The bees pollinate flowers aka butterflies is one guess. Another one is that butterflies are kinda like plants cause wurt can eat them and they turn into flowers and they like flowers which wormwood is. Maybe it’s a combination of all those reasons.

I have 2 ideas for the lunar spider:

A spider that grows protection that scales with how much it’s been hit by growing moonrock on its body, not sure how to describe exactly how I’m imagining it. This ability is also affected by the moon phase and shadow alligned attacks. It looks like the moon bound skin for Webber but more purple like moonrock.

The second idea came to me kinda as a joke but it’s basicly psychic damage. They attack using their mind and focus an attack with lunar energy against a target which takes around 4 seconds. The idea just came as I was typing this so I haven’t thought it through much but if you’re interested in it I could try to think more about it.

Also both spiders would use moonrock in their switcherdoodle recipe. And another idea if we did go the shattered spider route was to be able to use moonrock in the recipe for shattered switcherdoodles.

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t see the alterations you made, only farming related suggestions. Did you want me to come up with that?

 

Those were the change I made but could you come up with the crafting recipes

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The bees pollinate flowers aka butterflies is one guess. Another one is that butterflies are kinda like plants cause wurt can eat them and they turn into flowers and they like flowers which wormwood is. Maybe it’s a combination of all those reasons

Do you think I should get rid of the butterfly catching skill?

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

have 2 ideas for the lunar spider:

A spider that grows protection that scales with how much it’s been hit by growing moonrock on its body, not sure how to describe exactly how I’m imagining it. This ability is also affected by the moon phase and shadow alligned attacks. It looks like the moon bound skin for Webber but more purple like moonrock.

The second idea came to me kinda as a joke but it’s basicly psychic damage. They attack using their mind and focus an attack with lunar energy against a target which takes around 4 seconds. The idea just came as I was typing this so I haven’t thought it through much but if you’re interested in it I could try to think more about it.

Also both spiders would use moonrock in their switcherdoodle recipe. And another idea if we did go the shattered spider route was to be able to use moonrock in the recipe for shattered switcherdoodles.

The first idea just sounds like planar entity protection but with extra steps also I’ve been thinking about it and since wurts affinity followers aren’t corresponding to that triumphant or moon bound skins I don’t think we should make them look like the moon bound skin

would the second idea work like warbot’s beam attack and sure

I know you’re set on having moonrock be part of the crafting recipe but the devil seemed to not be able to pick whether or not they want to have the two side mirror each other or have them be two separate yet opposing sides and I’m guessing your idea for the shadow side is nightmare fuel and nightmare fuel already has a equivalent and infuse moon glass or just regular moon glass one of the two so please pick either two things from each side that don’t have equivalent or pick one pair of equivalents  

[Creatingabe1125]

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Those were the change I made but could you come up with the crafting recipes

3 silk and 2 monster meat for the orb weaver and green huntsman spider, and the black widow would get 3 monster meat and 2 silk along with the fruit/veggie they suggested. I don’t feel like rewording/formating all of that and don’t know what stats to give them but I’d suggest the usual 20 dmg.

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Do you think I should get rid of the butterfly catching skill?

Sure. Plus don’t bug nets cost silk which Webber makes.

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

The first idea just sounds like planar entity protection but with extra steps also I’ve been thinking about it and since wurts affinity followers aren’t corresponding to that triumphant or moon bound skins I don’t think we should make them look like the moon bound skin

Not really, it’s like built in armor that gets stronger when hit more but after sometime it weakens and then repeats. Though they would still be able to fight. So what do you think the spider should look like?

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

would the second idea work like warbot’s beam attack and sure

I know you’re set on having moonrock be part of the crafting recipe but the devil seemed to not be able to pick whether or not they want to have the two side mirror each other or have them be two separate yet opposing sides and I’m guessing your idea for the shadow side is nightmare fuel and nightmare fuel already has a equivalent and infuse moon glass or just regular moon glass one of the two so please pick either two things from each side that don’t have equivalent or pick one pair of equivalents  

No, its like the spider focuses the attack and then an attack that looks similar to the effect you get when you hit a planar entity without using a planar weapon.

What do you mean at the part after the word devil.

So you’d be fine using moon shards in 2 different recipes and nightmare fuel as moon glass and nightmare fuel are pairs and we wouldn’t be changing the shattered spider?

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So what do you think the spider should look like?

I actually don’t know

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What do you mean at the part after the word devil

It must’ve auto corrected from Devs to devil

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So you’d be fine using moon shards in 2 different recipes and nightmare fuel as moon glass and nightmare fuel are pairs and we wouldn’t be changing the shattered spider?

I’d be OK using infused moon glass shards but not reusing the normal ones

if we’re going to change the shattered spiders at all, you could either be them breaking out their rock covered bodies, like clockwork still out of those clockwork statues during new and full moons or have you dip them in a moon dial turning into the shadow and lunar alignmentspider types turn opposite phases of the moon

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

3 silk and 2 monster meat for the orb weaver and green huntsman spider, and the black widow would get 3 monster meat and 2 silk along with the fruit/veggie they suggested. I don’t feel like rewording/formating all of that and don’t know what stats to give them but I’d suggest the usual 20 dmg.

On 9/1/2025 at 1:19 AM, Dr.Webber said:

What should the names be also I really struggle to format ideas so big and scared in between multiple messages so if you’re willing, perhaps we can revisit formatting and what stats to give it once you’re feeling more up to it

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/2/2025 at 3:04 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I actually don’t know

 

I suggested starting with the moon bound skin but adding changes to it to make it look different.

On 9/2/2025 at 3:04 AM, Dr.Webber said:

It must’ve auto corrected from Devs to devil

 

Oh okay. But could you still explain that part?

On 9/2/2025 at 3:04 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I’d be OK using infused moon glass shards but not reusing the normal ones

if we’re going to change the shattered spiders at all, you could either be them breaking out their rock covered bodies, like clockwork still out of those clockwork statues during new and full moons or have you dip them in a moon dial turning into the shadow and lunar alignmentspider types turn opposite phases of the moon

I don’t really like the moon dial idea and not sure about the clockwork one but I don’t think there’s any ingredient we’ll both agree on if we continue thinking the same.

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh okay. But could you still explain that part?

So sometimes they have the different shadow and lunar stuff mirror each other but they can never keep it Consistent. They seem to simultaneously want to do a completely different things with the sides. I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one. Makes it hard to come up with good affinities that stay consistent with the game when the game isn’t consistent itself

 

2 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

don’t really like the moon dial idea and not sure about the clockwork one but I don’t think there’s any ingredient we’ll both agree on if we continue thinking the same.

If we venture into late game stuff, we could use the moon gleams and icker jars since both don’t see him have an equivalent. Also, if you don’t like moon gleam there are a few other things on the lunar side. They don’t currently have shadowy equivalence also another route rather than creating new spiders having upgrades for spitters and shattered spiders since the key ingredient for each of their switcherdoodles seems to be what each of the rain equivalent for each side are made out of but then again lunar hail seems to also drop infused moon shards alongside the normal ones

[Dr.Webber]

Hey @Creatingabe1125i’m thinking about replacing

 

Travel den: It’s a large backpack like item with 4 or 6 general slots, and a hidden 20 slot storage for spiders that can be opened like a polar bin. It also has the down side of slowing you down 10% Along side the general backpack slots there are 2 specialized slots with one containing healing glop for incredibly faster healing regeneration and the other slot is for storing spider food so they Don’t Starve. You can also use your webby whistle to call them out for battle or to call them back in in emergencies or to quickly heal or to just travel with them. It would cost 12 silk, 4 paper

 

(Original idea and Art by @blacknight7890, I edited in the flag)

 

 

• Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage(18 if you feed them electric milk),have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 

(You need this to craft the 3 care crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

with this with some alterations, of course those being the Forge spiders being included in the numbers of each stage plus one being the spider queen to be:

On 8/29/2025 at 7:39 PM, A.P.Erson said:

I had an idea for a spider sack backpack that webber could make out of a spider sack that would have inventory slots that could fit both items AND large amounts of spiders. There are certain slots in it that would accept either items or spiders and then there would be an extra amount of slots that would only accept spiders. If you right clicked it in your inventory or right clicked yourself then you would use it like a bush hat or a snurtle shell. Doing that would have all the spiders inside crawl out one at a time at quick pace. If you use a webby whistle while wearing the spider sack backpack then all of your tamed spiders would run to you and enter the backpack automatically until it is full or there are no more spiders. The backpack starts at "level 1" and has 2 regular inventory slots and 4 spider only slots, but you can upgrade it by using web on it while it is on the ground. After giving it 5 web it will grow to level 2 which would have 4 regular inventory slots and an 6 spider slots. Another 8 web will turn it to level 3. At level 3 it can fit 6 regular inventory slots and 8 spider only slots and also gains the ability to make the area around you sticky when you hide in it and making spiders automatically attack anything standing on the sticky turf as their first priority.

@Creatingabe1125 let me know if you have any thoughts or alterations

Also, I’m thinking of adding this too maybe putting a corresponding item craft under salt, crafts, and moving the idol of friendship back up to care crafts also same thought still applies:

 

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/5/2025 at 12:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

So sometimes they have the different shadow and lunar stuff mirror each other but they can never keep it Consistent. They seem to simultaneously want to do a completely different things with the sides. I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one. Makes it hard to come up with good affinities that stay consistent with the game when the game isn’t consistent itself

 

To be fair not all the characters are consistent. Some characters might already have an ability or connection with the moon or shadows or have something they can easily make lunar or shadow like Walter’s rounds or wigfrid’s songs. While others may need to have something new for the alignments and each skill tree adapts to it. Idk the process into making the skill trees but you can make your own process as this is your Webber’s skill tree idea.

On 9/5/2025 at 12:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one.

What did you mean over here though?

On 9/5/2025 at 12:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

If we venture into late game stuff, we could use the moon gleams and icker jars since both don’t see him have an equivalent. Also, if you don’t like moon gleam there are a few other things on the lunar side. They don’t currently have shadowy equivalence also another route rather than creating new spiders having upgrades for spitters and shattered spiders since the key ingredient for each of their switcherdoodles seems to be what each of the rain equivalent for each side are made out of but then again lunar hail seems to also drop infused moon shards alongside the normal ones

I don’t like the idea of using rift ingredients or having 2 ingredients from very or noticeably different stages of the game. And I’d prefer to stick with the main stuff of the moon/shadows or if another thing has a clear connection with both the character and affinity rather than use a less major item.

On 9/5/2025 at 1:05 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Travel den: It’s a large backpack like item with 4 or 6 general slots, and a hidden 20 slot storage for spiders that can be opened like a polar bin. It also has the down side of slowing you down 10% Along side the general backpack slots there are 2 specialized slots with one containing healing glop for incredibly faster healing regeneration and the other slot is for storing spider food so they Don’t Starve. You can also use your webby whistle to call them out for battle or to call them back in in emergencies or to quickly heal or to just travel with them. It would cost 12 silk, 4 paper

 

(Original idea and Art by @blacknight7890, I edited in the flag)

 

 

• Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage(18 if you feed them electric milk),have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 

(You need this to craft the 3 care crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

with this with some alterations, of course those being the Forge spiders being included in the numbers of each stage plus one being the spider queen to be:

So are you merging the two skills or what are you replacing it with?

On 9/5/2025 at 1:05 AM, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125 let me know if you have any thoughts or alterations

It seems similar to the travel den but with a few large changes.

On 9/5/2025 at 1:05 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Also, I’m thinking of adding this too maybe putting a corresponding item craft under salt, crafts, and moving the idol of friendship back up to care crafts also same thought still applies:

How would this affect every single spider type combo and the totem?

Also I just had the idea of the totem of kinship that makes it so spiders get a damage buff and works like the friendship totem but it only affects spiders active in combat.

[Dr.Webber]

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

To be fair not all the characters are consistent. Some characters might already have an ability or connection with the moon or shadows or have something they can easily make lunar or shadow like Walter’s rounds or wigfrid’s songs. While others may need to have something new for the alignments and each skill tree adapts to it. Idk the process into making the skill trees but you can make your own process as this is your Webber’s skill tree idea.

Ok

 

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What did you mean over here though?

?

 

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t like the idea of using rift ingredients or having 2 ingredients from very or noticeably different stages of the game. And I’d prefer to stick with the main stuff of the moon/shadows or if another thing has a clear connection with both the character and affinity rather than use a less major item.

On 9/5/2025 at 12:05 AM, Dr.Webber said:

We could always go with dark petal and lune blossoms 

 

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So are you merging the two skills or what are you replacing it with?

On 8/30/2025 at 1:58 AM, Dr.Webber said:

On 8/29/2025 at 7:39 PM, A.P.Erson said:

I had an idea for a spider sack backpack that webber could make out of a spider sack that would have inventory slots that could fit both items AND large amounts of spiders. There are certain slots in it that would accept either items or spiders and then there would be an extra amount of slots that would only accept spiders. If you right clicked it in your inventory or right clicked yourself then you would use it like a bush hat or a snurtle shell. Doing that would have all the spiders inside crawl out one at a time at quick pace. If you use a webby whistle while wearing the spider sack backpack then all of your tamed spiders would run to you and enter the backpack automatically until it is full or there are no more spiders. The backpack starts at "level 1" and has 2 regular inventory slots and 4 spider only slots, but you can upgrade it by using web on it while it is on the ground. After giving it 5 web it will grow to level 2 which would have 4 regular inventory slots and an 6 spider slots. Another 8 web will turn it to level 3. At level 3 it can fit 6 regular inventory slots and 8 spider only slots and also gains the ability to make the area around you sticky when you hide in it and making spiders automatically attack anything standing on the sticky turf as their first priority.

On 8/30/2025 at 1:58 AM, Dr.Webber said:

But this interests me feel free to go more in depth or craft form with description also if the spider egg sack is used. I definitely want to integrate the spiders from the Forge in someway, but this time make it six because you are how many spiders come out of tier one done normally plus the emergency ones and one spider queen to be then you get six and if we’re upgrading the done, maybe the amount of Forge spiders should increase to the amounts that are in the upper tiers of a spider den

 

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also I just had the idea of the totem of kinship that makes it so spiders get a damage buff and works like the friendship totem but it only affects spiders active in combat

What does that have to do with kinship 

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/10/2025 at 3:00 AM, Dr.Webber said:

?

Could you explain the part the I quoted above the question you responded to with this?

On 9/10/2025 at 3:00 AM, Dr.Webber said:

We could always go with dark petal and lune blossoms

I would rather not because it’s not a major material in the lunar/shadow quest line and has no connection to Webber.

On 9/10/2025 at 3:00 AM, Dr.Webber said:

What does that have to do with kinship 

Their kinship with each other because they’re spiders would give them the strength to help each other. That’s my logic atleast.

Also can you explain what you mean with those 3 quotes without a response?

[NPCMaxwell]

On 9/5/2025 at 6:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

So sometimes they have the different shadow and lunar stuff mirror each other but they can never keep it Consistent. They seem to simultaneously want to do a completely different things with the sides. I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one. Makes it hard to come up with good affinities that stay consistent with the game when the game isn’t consistent itself

Very much one of the few things that I don't like about the game's canon or the direction DST went in in general, indeed. But to me it seems you are doing your best with YOUR IDEAS for the game nevertheless!

[Dr.Webber]

On 9/11/2025 at 6:40 AM, Creatingabe1125 said:

Could you explain the part the I quoted above the question you responded to with this?

On 9/10/2025 at 2:00 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I never anything about over there so I’m confuse

 

On 9/11/2025 at 6:40 AM, Creatingabe1125 said:

I would rather not because it’s not a major material in the lunar/shadow quest line and has no connection to Webber.

 All major materials in the lunar/shadow quest line are late game and it doesn’t have to do with Webber it’s an ingredient in a switcherdoodle which does have to do with Webber 

 

On 9/11/2025 at 6:40 AM, Creatingabe1125 said:

Their kinship with each other because they’re spiders would give them the strength to help each other. That’s my logic atleast.

Oh ok 

 

On 9/11/2025 at 6:40 AM, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also can you explain what you mean with those 3 quotes without a response?

The first quote was form you and the last 2 were the responses someone suggested an idea in the first of the 2 the the one after that is some alterations I would make 

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/13/2025 at 8:13 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I never anything about over there so I’m confuse

 

The part I’m talking about comes from this whole quote below:

On 9/5/2025 at 12:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

So sometimes they have the different shadow and lunar stuff mirror each other but they can never keep it Consistent. They seem to simultaneously want to do a completely different things with the sides. I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one. Makes it hard to come up with good affinities that stay consistent with the game when the game isn’t consistent itself

And it’s the quoted section below. I couldn’t fully understand. But I don’t think it’s important now.

On 9/5/2025 at 12:18 AM, Dr.Webber said:

I’ll still occasionally having them near each other. It seems like a have your cake and needed to situation and their inability to pick one.

 

On 9/13/2025 at 8:13 PM, Dr.Webber said:

All major materials in the lunar/shadow quest line are late game and it doesn’t have to do with Webber it’s an ingredient in a switcherdoodle which does have to do with Webber

I meant materials often used in and associated with lunar/shadow stuff and that originate from one of those two sides. When I said related to a character I meant in special cases where it naturally makes sense.

On 9/13/2025 at 8:13 PM, Dr.Webber said:

The first quote was form you and the last 2 were the responses someone suggested an idea in the first of the 2 the the one after that is some alterations I would make 

Okay.

[Dr.Webber]

On 9/14/2025 at 8:32 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

I meant materials often used in and associated with lunar/shadow stuff and that originate from one of those two sides. When I said related to a character I meant in special cases where it naturally makes sense.

What just we make it other than nightmare fuel and Moonrock

 

On 9/14/2025 at 8:32 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay

So what do you think of the idea?

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/16/2025 at 4:51 PM, Dr.Webber said:

What just we make it other than nightmare fuel and Moonrock

There’s moon glass but the shattered spider already uses it. So not sure.

On 9/16/2025 at 4:51 PM, Dr.Webber said:

So what do you think of the idea?

I thought I already told you what I thought? In the quote below.

On 9/9/2025 at 5:21 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

It seems similar to the travel den but with a few large changes.

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

There’s moon glass but the shattered spider already uses it. So not sure.

Maybe we should focus on changing the shadow side to find something without an equivalent so moon rock can be used on the lunar side 

[Creatingabe1125]

55 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe we should focus on changing the shadow side to find something without an equivalent so moon rock can be used on the lunar side

Idk if there is another shadow equivalent for moonrock.