skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Creatingabe1125]

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s not meant to be used for farming and not every Webber main does spider war and most of the things we put are needed, but they are useful and so is this

 

I thought that but I was just saying it wouldn’t be a very good idea to farm that way compared to killing spiders. They would probably still kill spiders as you’ll need their loot for other parts of the game as well as some of Webber’s crafts like spider eggs or switcherdoodles. What do you mean by “most of the things we put are needed, but they are useful and so is this”?

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

How are you visualizing it and What changes would you make to the recipe?

A spider den with a lightning rod on top that has a purple gem on top of it. Depends on how the revival item/structure looks like but the only idea I have for that is like a pentagon shaped wooden house with a few webs so with that design I guess like 3 boards, 4 silk, 2 bone shards, and 2 gold for a lightning rod.

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I thought that but I was just saying it wouldn’t be a very good idea to farm that way compared to killing spiders. They would probably still kill spiders as you’ll need their loot for other parts of the game as well as some of Webber’s crafts like spider eggs or switcherdoodles. What do you mean by “most of the things we put are needed, but they are useful and so is this”?

12 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Switcherdoodles don’t have spider glands in the crafts but point taken 

no every thing in the skill tree is  are need for to make Webber a viable character some are just useful and fun

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

A spider den with a lightning rod on top that has a purple gem on top of it. Depends on how the revival item/structure looks like but the only idea I have for that is like a pentagon shaped wooden house with a few webs so with that design I guess like 3 boards, 4 silk, 2 bone shards, and 2 gold for a lightning rod

Not quite sure what the main bit would look like yet but It would be made of silk and bone with this on top with the decorated den flag on top of that(or if we make the flag bigger this could be a finial) and maybe decorated den stickers

[Creatingabe1125]

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

no every thing in the skill tree is  are need for to make Webber a viable character some are just useful and fun

Though dropping spider glands on death isn’t really worth the insight nor is it exactly fun cause of the cost of reviving.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Not quite sure what the main bit would look like yet but It would be made of silk and bone with this on top with the decorated den flag on top of that(or if we make the flag bigger this could be a finial) and maybe decorated den stickers

 

Oh okay.

[Dr.Webber]

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though dropping spider glands on death isn’t really worth the insight nor is it exactly fun cause of the cost of reviving.

What if I combined with in the spirit of friendship to make:

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with 50% sanity or under Webber will drop 2 spider glands as well as Webber being able to command befriended spiders to attack things by haunting them, spiders will attack whatever killed Webber along with all befriended spiders not attacking players when Webber isn’t online

[Creatingabe1125]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

What if I combined with in the spirit of friendship to make:

 

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with 50% sanity or under Webber will drop 2 spider glands as well as Webber being able to command befriended spiders to attack things by haunting them, spiders will attack whatever killed Webber along with all befriended spiders not attacking players when Webber isn’t online

That could work. Though a question I might’ve forgot to ask before is why the 50% sanity thing?

Also about the other abilities in the skill. I think spiders not attacking Webber immediately after he leaves or dies should be a base perk as that more of a quality perk than a skill and once your dead the battle should be over unless you revive.

Edited February 5, 2025 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

18 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That could work. Though a question I might’ve forgot to ask before is why the 50% sanity thing?

That’s the point survivors start going insane and and spiders most commonly drop glands when in afraid mode 

 

18 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also about the other abilities in the skill. I think spiders not attacking Webber immediately after he leaves or dies should be a base perk as that more of a quality perk than a skill and once your dead the battle should be over unless you revive.

Ya but it doesn’t seem like they will make the Qol changes outside of skills

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

That’s the point survivors start going insane and and spiders most commonly drop glands when in afraid mode

Oh I think they are guaranteed to drop them when haunted not when they are afraid in any situation. I believe that’s to get a telltale heart if you are a ghost.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ya but it doesn’t seem like they will make the Qol changes outside of skills

Why not? They did a Qol change with 1 merm king working for both surface and caves on Wurt’s skill tree update.

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh I think they are guaranteed to drop them when haunted not when they are afraid in any situation. I believe that’s to get a telltale heart if you are a ghost

That’s true, but also they also drop glands when they quivering outside of ghost encounters

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Why not? They did a Qol change with 1 merm king working for both surface and caves on Wurt’s skill tree update.

Ok how bout this :

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with 50% sanity or under Webber will drop 2 spider glands, Webber being able to command befriended spiders to attack things by haunting them

[Creatingabe1125]

11 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

That’s true, but also they also drop glands when they quivering outside of ghost encounters

Do you know where it says they have an increased chance of dropping spider glands when panicking anywhere like at bee queen or when taking fire damage?

11 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ok how bout this :

 

• In the spirit of friendship: When dying with 50% sanity or under Webber will drop 2 spider glands, Webber being able to command befriended spiders to attack things by haunting them

I don’t think Webber should still be able to fight as a ghost by commanding his spiders though idk what other ability you would add to the skill so as long as that ability is only usable when you just died like Wendy’s ghost revenge skill then okay.

[Dr.Webber]

8 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Do you know where it says they have an increased chance of dropping spider glands when panicking anywhere like at bee queen or when taking fire damage?

I don’t remember

 

8 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t think Webber should still be able to fight as a ghost by commanding his spiders though idk what other ability you would add to the skill so as long as that ability is only usable when you just died like Wendy’s ghost revenge skill then okay.

What if I make it so befriended spiders become loyal to a another survivor would not in PVP

[Dr.Webber]

Or I could also make it so if he has a beard, he dropped the corresponding amount of silk for the stage it’s in

[Creatingabe1125]

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t remember

The only thing I could find is it dropping the spider gland when haunted.

14 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What if I make it so befriended spiders become loyal to a another survivor would not in PVP

Why would the spiders be loyal to another survivor if their only reason to be friendly with survivors dies?

13 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Or I could also make it so if he has a beard, he dropped the corresponding amount of silk for the stage it’s in

Isn’t that already a thing and didn’t Wilson’s rework also update beards.

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Why would the spiders be loyal to another survivor if their only reason to be friendly with survivors dies?

Because both are friends of Webber and the loyalty is in the spirit of Webber‘s friendship

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Isn’t that already a thing and didn’t Wilson’s rework also update beards.

It updated it so when you shave it, it’s stage by stage then all at once
 

But what I’m saying is, if he dies, he drops all the silk that his beard was made of

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The only thing I could find is it dropping the spider gland when haunted.

Idk we could also reason it out that they both have to do with ghost

[Creatingabe1125]

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Because both are friends of Webber and the loyalty is in the spirit of Webber‘s friendship

They would still probably turn back to normal spider once Webber dies unless they had an effect similar to den decorations. And how long would the spiders be followers of the other players.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It updated it so when you shave it, it’s stage by stage then all at once
 

But what I’m saying is, if he dies, he drops all the silk that his beard was made of

That could probably just be an update to both Webber’s and Wilson’s beards.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Idk we could also reason it out that they both have to do with ghost

Though spiders would drop a spider gland when haunted and haunting has nothing do with sanity with sanity just being a side effect.

[Dr.Webber]

On 2/7/2025 at 7:07 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

They would still probably turn back to normal spider once Webber dies unless they had an effect similar to den decorations. And how long would the spiders be followers of the other players.

I don’t know I’m just trying to come up with a solution to the problem of them becoming aggressive when Webber dies

 

On 2/7/2025 at 7:07 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

That could probably just be an update to both Webber’s and Wilson’s beards.

Adding it to the skill is supposed to be part of introducing spider drops into when he dies 

 

On 2/7/2025 at 7:07 PM, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though spiders would drop a spider gland when haunted and haunting has nothing do with sanity with sanity just being a side effect.

But it does have to do with fear and sanity and fear are deeply linked in game 

[Creatingabe1125]

54 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know I’m just trying to come up with a solution to the problem of them becoming aggressive when Webber dies

 

They could become unloyal but for like a day or for a good amount of time be neutral to other players or creatures while they go back to their dens or fall a sleep.

56 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Adding it to the skill is supposed to be part of introducing spider drops into when he dies 

Okay though that does seem like something that would also be nice for Wilson to have.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

But it does have to do with fear and sanity and fear are deeply linked in game

Fear/sanity drain is how players react to the ghosts. Though is there a good gameplay reason for him to drop spider glands below 50% sanity? If he dies above that then the problem that this intends to fix still there.

[Dr.Webber]

20 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

They could become unloyal but for like a day or for a good amount of time be neutral to other players or creatures while they go back to their dens or fall a sleep

What if they stayed loyal when he’s dead and maybe despawns with him

 

20 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay though that does seem like something that would also be nice for Wilson to have.

Well we’re talking about Webber right now

 

20 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Fear/sanity drain is how players react to the ghosts. Though is there a good gameplay reason for him to drop spider glands below 50% sanity? If he dies above that then the problem that this intends to fix still there.

In my experience Webber loses his sanity very quickly and struggles to bring it back up so it so adding free spider glands will elevate some of the burden when he inevitably dies 

[Dr.Webber]

on another subject 

I’ve thought of the lunar spider ability 

They have the ability to put enemies to sleep similar to gastalts

[Dr.Webber]

Here’s the Alignments(ignore the planer damage bits i’m thinking about replacing them with any spider that wears a bright shade helm/void Cowl will cause the same amount of planer damage on top of the normal damage tell me what you think):

 

 

shadow spider care:

 

The Queen will reward your loyalty with  the recipe to help your spider friends evade dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 dark pedals

The shadow spider is a shadow spider that can leap and teleport like shadow creatures when hit. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

 

 

 

Lunar spider care: 

 

 

The cryptic founder will reward your curiosity, with  the recipe to help your spider friends sedate dangers

 

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 lune blossoms 

The shadow spider is a shadow spider that can leap and knockout like gestalts when hit. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____

After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

Also, by the way, do you have any ideas for the type of spiders to add as well as the farm crop for about it, defining ingredient from this skill?

• Garden spiders:

Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook

Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

:

:

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What if they stayed loyal when he’s dead and maybe despawns with him

So long as the spiders after Webber’s death aren’t being commanded to do any work or combat then sure.

though maybe they shouldn’t follow him as he could bring them to places where they will attack things like pigs at pig farms and also you might lose spiders as you try to get to a touch stone if you cross paths with hostile creatures.

They could come to you once you revived. Also what do you mean by despawns with him.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Well we’re talking about Webber right now

Yeah but Wilson also has a beard and the only difference between both beards is the material. So if Webber drops his beard when he dies then so should Wilson.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

In my experience Webber loses his sanity very quickly and struggles to bring it back up so it so adding free spider glands will elevate some of the burden when he inevitably dies

If you’re playing multiplayer and if you die below 50% sanity then it does something. If you die above 50% sanity you get nothing which means that perk does little to nothing for those who keep their sanity high during battle.

5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

on another subject 

I’ve thought of the lunar spider ability 

They have the ability to put enemies to sleep similar to gastalts

Most shadow enemies can’t be put to sleep and putting creatures to sleep should be in your control as your spider could put the enemy to sleep at the wrong time.

3 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Here’s the Alignments(ignore the planer damage bits i’m thinking about replacing them with any spider that wears a bright shade helm/void Cowl will cause the same amount of planer damage on top of the normal damage tell me what you think):

 

The lunar spider says shadow spider and the ability to leap which doesn’t sound like it should be there so I’m assuming it’s a forgotten piece from a copy and paste.

I still think it should be nightmare fuel and moonglass or moonrock but I’m not interested in debating that again.

I also think that the Brightshade/void helm/cowl is expensive, can kind of limit how many planar spiders you have when you first enter rift content, and also double the damage is a lot.

[Dr.Webber]

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So long as the spiders after Webber’s death aren’t being commanded to do any work or combat then sure.

though maybe they shouldn’t follow him as he could bring them to places where they will attack things like pigs at pig farms and also you might lose spiders as you try to get to a touch stone if you cross paths with hostile creatures.

They could come to you once you revived. Also what do you mean by despawns with him.

 

I mean like when you leave a server The swirly animation that plays when you leave it will also happen to the spiders

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

If you’re playing multiplayer and if you die below 50% sanity then it does something. If you die above 50% sanity you get nothing which means that perk does little to nothing for those who keep their sanity high during battle.

What if we make it so he has a 25% chance to drop it always

 

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Most shadow enemies can’t be put to sleep and putting creatures to sleep should be in your control as your spider could put the enemy to sleep at the wrong time.

What would be an example of the wrong time?

 

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

he lunar spider says shadow spider and the ability to leap which doesn’t sound like it should be there so I’m assuming it’s a forgotten piece from a copy and paste

I thought you wanted them to have the ability to delete. Also, do you think I should just call them lunar spiders or give them a different name?

 

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

still think it should be nightmare fuel and moonglass or moonrock but I’m not interested in debating that again

I can’t think of a good ability related to moon rock and moon glasses already been used in a switcher doodle craft as well as nightmare fuel’s new equivalent, being infused moon glass from what I can tell

 

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

also think that the Brightshade/void helm/cowl is expensive, can kind of limit how many planar spiders you have when you first enter rift content, and also double the damage is a lot.

What would you suggest instead?

 

also you forgot to respond to:

13 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Also, by the way, do you have any ideas for the type of spiders to add as well as the farm crop for about it, defining ingredient from this skill?

 

• Garden spiders:

Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook

Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

:

:

 

[Creatingabe1125]

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I mean like when you leave a server The swirly animation that plays when you leave it will also happen to the spiders

Oh. Do they dissappear when he dies or when he leaves the world?

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

What if we make it so he has a 25% chance to drop it always

 

But then the perk that was intended to help you be “less of a burden” only works 1/4 of the time so then 75% of the time nothing changes.

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

What would be an example of the wrong time?

 

If you are trying to move them is what I was originaly thinking but now that I think about it, unless you messed up a step in your plan your spiders should be fighting them by the time you moved them to where they should be.

though spiders putting creatures to sleep when fighting sounds a bit op because imagine if you had an army of gestalts that still exist after they land a hit and dealt 20 damage. If they kept hitting the boss it would stay asleep and they would be attacked while asleep not attacking back.

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I thought you wanted them to have the ability to delete. Also, do you think I should just call them lunar spiders or give them a different name?

 

The shadow spiders I thought should be able to leap, I didn’t say that the lunar spiders should leap. I don’t have an idea for another name and I don’t know how it’ll look like but for now I think lunar spider is fine.

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I can’t think of a good ability related to moon rock and moon glasses already been used in a switcher doodle craft as well as nightmare fuel’s new equivalent, being infused moon glass from what I can tell

Okay.

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

What would you suggest instead?

 

Idk.

On 2/10/2025 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

also you forgot to respond to:

On 2/10/2025 at 2:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Didn’t see that though no I don’t have any ideas for that Rn.

[Dr.Webber]

15 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh. Do they dissappear when he dies or when he leaves the world?

It would be when he leaves the world,  but I might not add it because I’m going back to being unfriendly when he leaves the world could be alleviated by him putting them in his inventory before he leaves the world

 

17 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But then the perk that was intended to help you be “less of a burden” only works 1/4 of the time so then 75% of the time nothing changes.

Would you suggest instead?

 

 

21 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

though spiders putting creatures to sleep when fighting sounds a bit op because imagine if you had an army of gestalts that still exist after they land a hit and dealt 20 damage. If they kept hitting the boss it would stay asleep and they would be attacked while asleep not attacking back.

The damage hits or separate of the sleeping hits

 

25 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The shadow spiders I thought should be able to leap, I didn’t say that the lunar spiders should leap. I don’t have an idea for another name and I don’t know how it’ll look like but for now I think lunar spider is fine.

If you don’t want them to leap then what else should they do to even get out since for shadow spiders they have two abilities to teleport like shadow creatures, and a leap we should the lunar spider second ability be

 

27 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Idk.

On 2/10/2025 at 3:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

also you forgot to respond to:

On 2/10/2025 at 1:30 AM, Dr.Webber said:

Didn’t see that though no I don’t have any ideas for that Rn.

We should definitely lock in on those

[Creatingabe1125]

18 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Would you suggest instead?

Just have him drop 1 spider gland on death with no conditions.

18 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

The damage hits or separate of the sleeping hits

 

Okay though still some will hit while while some put it asleep if you have alot of lunar spiders.

18 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If you don’t want them to leap then what else should they do to even get out since for shadow spiders they have two abilities to teleport like shadow creatures, and a leap we should the lunar spider second ability be

 

If you want they could leap as I don’t have another idea Rn though I never heard of them leaping until you showed me your ideas for the affinites.

18 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

We should definitely lock in on those

Okay though I don’t have an idea for those rn.

18 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It would be when he leaves the world,  but I might not add it because I’m going back to being unfriendly when he leaves the world could be alleviated by him putting them in his inventory before he leaves the world

Oh okay.

[Dr.Webber]

56 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Just have him drop 1 spider gland on death with no conditions

How about two

 

57 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Okay though still some will hit while while some put it asleep if you have alot of lunar spiders.

Once they’re asleep, they only focus on damage