skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

A bit confused, but what would the bracelet do?

When it’s in their inventory, they’ll have spider legs on the side of their head like Webber And and would have spider eyes except for two larger eyes

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

When it’s in their inventory, they’ll have spider legs on the side of their head like Webber And and would have spider eyes except for two larger eyes

I don’t really like that idea but why?

[Dr.Webber]

6 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t really like that idea but why?

What do you mean,the spiders view them as one of their own enough that they won’t attack them it’s more resources efficient then putting den decorating set on every den  it’s a nice way to tie the unnatural energy in

what don’t you like about it and why ask why

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

What do you mean,the spiders view them as one of their own enough that they won’t attack them it’s more resources efficient then putting den decorating set on every den  it’s a nice way to tie the unnatural energy in

what don’t you like about it and why ask why

I don’t like the idea of somewhat turning others into 1/5 a spider, it’s one thing for Webber but another thing for other survivors. Why not just make it work like a spider approved pass. mutating survivors is in my opinion a bit too far for mutation powers of Webber.

I meant why make them look like Webber.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t like the idea of somewhat turning others into 1/5 a spider, it’s one thing for Webber but another thing for other survivors. Why not just make it work like a spider approved pass. mutating survivors is in my opinion a bit too far for mutation powers of Webber.

I meant why make them look like Webber.

I could do something based off of the wreath that you get from the rabbit king we have a webbed wreath were when they make the sound that’s a sign of when they agro the spider on top will make a responding noise to communicate “this one’s cool with use” or something like that 

[Creatingabe1125]

52 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I could do something based off of the wreath that you get from the rabbit king we have a webbed wreath were when they make the sound that’s a sign of when they agro the spider on top will make a responding noise to communicate “this one’s cool with use” or something like that 

What if there was a bracelet that used 5 silk, 1 spider warrior switcher doodle, and 3 gold or even better 3 bone shards. It would act as proof of spider friend or just have bedazzle them but it loses durability for like 1 or 2.5 days. And harming spiders would make it an invalid form that is basically expired and could be burned for low fuel.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What if there was a bracelet that used 5 silk, 1 spider warrior switcher doodle, and 3 gold or even better 3 bone shards. It would act as proof of spider friend or just have bedazzle them but it loses durability for like 1 or 2.5 days. And harming spiders would make it an invalid form that is basically expired and could be burned for low fuel.

I’ll Think about the second one but the first one I don’t like the idea of having a type of food part of the bracelet

[Edible Coal]

two people here be writing webber skill tree fan fic

[Dr.Webber]

@Creatingabe1125 do you think I should get rid of the base spider part of the direct able spiders skill

[Creatingabe1125]

On 8/30/2024 at 11:47 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I’ll Think about the second one but the first one I don’t like the idea of having a type of food part of the bracelet

it was more to be thought of a badge like thing but it could be pig skin, and if not pig skin then I guess gold and bones.

On 8/31/2024 at 3:08 AM, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125 do you think I should get rid of the base spider part of the direct able spiders skill

The extra stuff yeah but the mining/chopping maybe, I wouldn’t be 100% shocked if they did add the simple ability to mine/chop probably at less efficiency like maybe 2-3 spiders would be as effective as 1 Merm but I am not sure if they would add it.

[Dr.Webber]

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The extra stuff yeah but the mining/chopping maybe, I wouldn’t be 100% shocked if they did add the simple ability to mine/chop probably at less efficiency like maybe 2-3 spiders would be as effective as 1 Merm but I am not sure if they would add it.

I meant:

• gather materials to keep the light from going out,when Using the Webby whistle on a boat spiders can put the sails down and up, picking crop, digging farm soil with proper spacing 

but after seeing that, I brought it down a bunch

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

it was more to be thought of a badge like thing but it could be pig skin, and if not pig skin then I guess gold and bones.

I was thinking, why are you against having it tied into the unnatural energy aspect it Has the same effect either way? It just ties that aspect of him into it.

I was thinking earlier about maybe adding a fourth care craft to round it out a bit

Also, could you help me come up with ideas for how to tie the farming skills into the spider stuff

Edited September 2, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was thinking, why are you against having it tied into the unnatural energy aspect it Has the same effect either way? It just ties that aspect of him into it.

Personal preference but also that’s from a theory and it’s not really confirmed at least I think so, so if that theory is wrong then it wouldn’t make sense to add it. I still think it’s special effects at Webber’s animation but it could also be wagstaff did something or found a special one, outside the constant, or just fate.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Also, could you help me come up with ideas for how to tie the farming skills into the spider stuff

Well what could Webber use to help his spiders gameplay wise to be better but reasonable using goat milk or goat horns. But rn I don’t have any ideas.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was thinking earlier about maybe adding a fourth care craft to round it out a bit

What were the other 3?

[Dr.Webber]

33 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What were the other 3?

          Egg sack:  what if they reuse the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a backpack like item called the egg sack and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage they each could only be outside the egg sack for a total of 8 minutes after that they return to the egg sack and nap and they’ll need to charge back up before using them again so if you’re carrying the egg sack while sleeping it will drain slightly more hunger until the recharged but you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time so you can have them out over the course of multiple days without needing to recharge them. If you’re smart about it, also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots(the spiders split into twins and have arms in place of one of their pairs of legs due to extended exposure to the unnatural energy fusing Webber together ) with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one 

(You need this to craft other two crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

8 silk, 3 paper, and 1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

 

Concept examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)

 

 

 

 

 

Spidership bracelet: 5 silk, and 2 bone shards, 0.8 health .(a silk bracelet with a tiny Webber’s skull on it decorated with the stickers of the den decorating set with the little flag parallel to the Webber skull and the hunger or health is to imbue it with the unnatural energy) will anyone who wears it The two spider legs base skin Webber has known his head Along with all his smaller eyes

 

homemade den: You can make a homemade den if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. If you unlock another skill you can add items to it. The items you could add are a life giving amulet, a thulcite crown, or maybe a few more items but Idk. The life giving amulet would revive up to 20 spiders from that den, the thulecite crown would give up to 12 spiders the shield power, it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it

 How bout 12 silk, 12 bone shards (bones making 4 pillars, a layer of silk, making up the walls and the rest being used as cushioning and decorations because it’s Webbers dens so it’s got Flex that decorated den drip)

[Creatingabe1125]

28 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

 

          Egg sack:  what if they reuse the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a backpack like item called the egg sack and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage they each could only be outside the egg sack for a total of 8 minutes after that they return to the egg sack and nap and they’ll need to charge back up before using them again so if you’re carrying the egg sack while sleeping it will drain slightly more hunger until the recharged but you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time so you can have them out over the course of multiple days without needing to recharge them. If you’re smart about it, also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots(the spiders split into twins and have arms in place of one of their pairs of legs due to extended exposure to the unnatural energy fusing Webber together ) with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one 

(You need this to craft other two crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)

8 silk, 3 paper, and 1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

 

Concept examples:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spidership bracelet: 5 silk, and 2 bone shards, 0.8 health .(a silk bracelet with a tiny Webber’s skull on it decorated with the stickers of the den decorating set with the little flag parallel to the Webber skull and the hunger or health is to imbue it with the unnatural energy) will anyone who wears it The two spider legs base skin Webber has known his head Along with all his smaller eyes

 

homemade den: You can make a homemade den if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. If you unlock another skill you can add items to it. The items you could add are a life giving amulet, a thulcite crown, or maybe a few more items but Idk. The life giving amulet would revive up to 20 spiders from that den, the thulecite crown would give up to 12 spiders the shield power, it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it

 How bout 12 silk, 12 bone shards (bones making 4 pillars, a layer of silk, making up the walls and the rest being used as cushioning and decorations because it’s Webbers dens so it’s got Flex that decorated den drip)

I am still against using health unless it’s like life, healing, or blood related.

Still prefer a portable container rather than a body slot item and don’t think it needs the den decorating set in the craft.

Still don’t like the idea of turning players into somewhat spiders.

Also I realize that Webber’s unnatural power would be like mutating radiation that isn’t deadly for spiders, and if Webber had that power all the survivors would become more Webber like which I don’t like the idea of.

My idea for the homemade den was to be similar looking to the cave spider den but it could be less spiky like stalagmites and would have a slightly bigger opening to see the item. The rocks were the outside, the silk does not need explaining, the bone shards was to replace fossil fragments to make all types of spiders feel at home a bit, and maybe another type of material.

[Dr.Webber]

37 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I am still against using health unless it’s like life, healing, or blood related.

 

If you’re OK with blood related, why not what I got now it’s not like it’s actually taking a piece of his soul or anything it just time their life forces together

 

38 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Still prefer a portable container rather than a body slot item and don’t think it needs the den decorating set in the craft.

Didn’t I write down as a portable container? Off of the decorate den adds his personal touch.

 

42 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Still don’t like the idea of turning players into somewhat spiders

I know last time I asked you said it was just personal preference but if I’m going to change it, I want an actual reason to change it so I asked again what about it is so bad you’re against it and I know you said the theory might be wrong but one thing for sure Chris trinkets are tied to a natural energy and based on the survivors reactions to all the different stuff I’d say they’ve been altered or comprised of different things by unnatural energy maybe they start out as monkey pirates and the unnatural energy got infused into the bracelets and it’s causing them to act like this fight dead to Webber infuse with players but considering the monkey Queen can reverse the process I’d say there’s something more there. Also another hand maybe because she’s a monkey she can take the accursed trinkets off your hands that them returning to you I don’t know but either way same function. It’s not like the spider changes are permanent. They can take it off at any time.

 

55 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also I realize that Webber’s unnatural power would be like mutating radiation that isn’t deadly for spiders, and if Webber had that power all the survivors would become more Webber like which I don’t like the idea of.

That isn’t necessarily true it’s more of a fusing ability, and I’m sure if the survivors didn’t want to be turned into spiders he wouldn’t do that to them

 

57 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

My idea for the homemade den was to be similar looking to the cave spider den but it could be less spiky like stalagmites and would have a slightly bigger opening to see the item. The rocks were the outside, the silk does not need explaining, the bone shards was to replace fossil fragments to make all types of spiders feel at home a bit, and maybe another type of material.

Ya remember we changed it to what I have now

[Dr.Webber]

By the way what should tie the spiders to the homemade den

[Dr.Webber]

@Creatingabe1125could you also help me think of a skill tree icon for the Skill educated arachnids

What if we use electric milk to re-energize baby spiders

And maybe give it to spiders to harden their shell, giving them more health in temporary electric damage

Or mix it with monster meat or something to make monster milk

[Creatingabe1125]

On 9/2/2024 at 2:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

I know last time I asked you said it was just personal preference but if I’m going to change it, I want an actual reason to change it so I asked again what about it is so bad you’re against it and I know you said the theory might be wrong but one thing for sure Chris trinkets are tied to a natural energy and based on the survivors reactions to all the different stuff I’d say they’ve been altered or comprised of different things by unnatural energy maybe they start out as monkey pirates and the unnatural energy got infused into the bracelets and it’s causing them to act like this fight dead to Webber infuse with players but considering the monkey Queen can reverse the process I’d say there’s something more there. Also another hand maybe because she’s a monkey she can take the accursed trinkets off your hands that them returning to you I don’t know but either way same function. It’s not like the spider changes are permanent. They can take it off at any time.

 

I am not going to focus on the monkey part but we are talking about Webber not monkeys.

3 reasons:

1: if the theory part about Webber is wrong, then why would they give Webber the ability to use that power.

2: why would Webber turn some of the characters into spiders, the human part wouldn’t want to and the spider part would rather not invite non spiders, as well as the fact that some either fear them, don’t like them, or like being themselves more.

3: Which makes more sense gameplay wise, lore that is confirmed wise, and is more simple.

A bracelet craft acting as a badge to prove friendship with Webber and spiders which means they don’t attack you.

or

Craft a bracelet that has unnatural power from a part of webber that has unnatural powers and can turn other survivors into somewhat spiders somewhat similar to Webber while your holding it similar to moon quay curse. Which will make spiders believe you’re a spider even though you still look a bit human.

Edited: to be fair gameplay wise the lore wouldn’t matter as much but again looking like a somewhat converted spider would be noticed and affect gameplay or the experience. And I hope these reasons are enough. Also even if that theory is confirmed true by Klei then I still have 2 reasons why. Also you shouldn’t add skills based off a theory only as if the theory falls so does the skill and also because it probably won’t be added if only for that theory and only makes sense with that theory. 

On 9/2/2024 at 2:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Didn’t I write down as a portable container? Off of the decorate den adds his personal touch.

 

It said backpack like item, and can he make his own decorations designed for baby spiders with some materials used to make the egg sack?

On 9/2/2024 at 2:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

If you’re OK with blood related, why not what I got now it’s not like it’s actually taking a piece of his soul or anything it just time their life forces together

So spiders like spider blood or are okay with it? You also don’t see Webber using blood for crafting spider eggs. And that’s for the game additions in general, if a craft required one of the things I listed then it would make sense for adding health to the craft. And it’s not like Webber’s unnatural powers require his blood to work, cause if it did he would probably not want to use it a lot.

On 9/2/2024 at 2:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

That isn’t necessarily true it’s more of a fusing ability, and I’m sure if the survivors didn’t want to be turned into spiders he wouldn’t do that to them

 

Yet he does that to them with the bracelet.

So this unnatural energy can either fuse or duplicate aka baby spiders. then is Webber duplicating his spider form to fuse it into his bracelets to fuse with their holder aka the survivors?

Or if it costs max health can he fuse a part of his current spider into bracelets slowly killing his spider part?

And couldn’t he make an item to contain his spider fused part to separating them and the item would bring back the spider?

And if he can use this energy to turn spiders into unnatural spiders, then would it be fusing his spider life into their spider life?

On 9/2/2024 at 2:11 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Ya remember we changed it to what I have now

I remember you suggesting it like that but I still prefer and think it’s better as a cave den. And my reasoning for that is that it would comfort the spiders more as it both fits the vibe/theme of most spiders and their dens.

On 9/2/2024 at 4:29 PM, Dr.Webber said:

By the way what should tie the spiders to the homemade den

What do you mean by this exactly as they would make it their new home after seeing and eating the switcher doodles in front and you could revive them to that den with a life giving amulet.

23 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

@Creatingabe1125could you also help me think of a skill tree icon for the Skill educated arachnids

What if we use electric milk to re-energize baby spiders

And maybe give it to spiders to harden their shell, giving them more health in temporary electric damage

Or mix it with monster meat or something to make monster milk

Did you just come up with that skill as I couldn’t find it in the current skill tree list, and either way could you tell me what it would do?

As long as it is energizable without farming then okay as it would force farming to reuse baby spiders.

Maybe another a snack like switcher doodles or monster milk as you suggested with the ability to grant stuff like that. I did suggest web juice once but cookies and milk sounds better.

 

Also after looking at the Webber short again it’s either for special effects or maybe the container was made of something special that wagstaff made and that gave the spider the power to fuse with child Webber. Or maybe maxwell did something as Webber did show quotes of not liking Maxwell as well as Maxwell being seen as lightning so that would probably be it as wagstaff didn’t have lunar power back then as Webber was also in solo don’t starve.

And for moon quay, the fusing theory is a possibility but I doubt Wilbur and moon queen have actually met. Though there could also be another world through that portal as it is called the unnatural ->portal<- (if you think about it wagstaff was probably trying to make another way to get to earth for better access to the constant so it may have accidentally connected to another portal machine in another world instead and maybe the sand over whelmed it so the machine broke but the magical connection stayed and after a bit of sand came the monkeys. Or maybe it was goo that turned into sand.)

Edited two: These are too theory that I came up with.

Edit 3: I just realize IF maxwell was the reason for the spider to contain unnatural energy, and wagstaff used lunar energy to make unnatural energy at moon quay, then what if unnatural energy is just a form of lunar or shadow energy that is unstable in a way that can cause certain things to happen aka fusion.

Edited September 4, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

1: if the theory part about Webber is wrong, then why would they give Webber the ability to use that power.

2: why would Webber turn some of the characters into spiders, the human part wouldn’t want to and the spider part would rather not invite non spiders, as well as the fact that some either fear them, don’t like them, or like being themselves more.

3: Which makes more sense gameplay wise, lore that is confirmed wise, and is more simple.

1.Not Every detail of the theory may be true  but there are evidence in shorts, quotes, animation for the transferring from the the powder monkeys to you, the fact they come out of a portal made of unnatural energy which has been known to few things in the past shows that whether or not it’s it would be done by attaching a piece of him or his Lifeforce you can either be done both ways or just a piece of him route it can be done 

2. Why wouldn’t the the human half want to give his friend a safe and optional way to be around his other friends and it’s not like he has anything against being a spider he views his new transformation as a second chance and we don’t know how the spider half’s view of humans may have been affected by his fusion with the human half and his time being fused with the human half, and even if he was against it, which I doubt because merely giving dens decorations sways that their opinion of humans enough that they won’t attack them well in range of the decorated den

3. gameplay wise there’d be no difference in how it affects the other players whether or not you do it and unnatural energy form or not, the aspects of the theory that are important for this idea to work are confirmed the stuff I mentioned in number one it’s not that less simple

for example, if we were to go for the wreath route it’ll be some number of silk since the first care craft provides the den decorating set uses There’s no decorating set in the craft and a spider by the way, if we do go for the wreath route and do you think I should recycle the headspace crafts into wreaths with different spiders that give the same abilities as the different versions of the headspace craft

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

It said backpack like item, and can he make his own decorations designed for baby spiders with some materials used to make the egg sack?

Fixed it in my notes and I don’t understand the second half of this 

 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So spiders like spider blood or are okay with it? You also don’t see Webber using blood for crafting spider eggs. And that’s for the game additions in general, if a craft required one of the things I listed then it would make sense for adding health to the craft. And it’s not like Webber’s unnatural powers require his blood to work, cause if it did he would probably not want to use it a lot.

So you for or against Using blood in the form of health

 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Yet he does that to them with the bracelet.

So this unnatural energy can either fuse or duplicate aka baby spiders. then is Webber duplicating his spider form to fuse it into his bracelets to fuse with their holder aka the survivors?

Or if it costs max health can he fuse a part of his current spider into bracelets slowly killing his spider part?

And couldn’t he make an item to contain his spider fused part to separating them and the item would bring back the spider?

And if he can use this energy to turn spiders into unnatural spiders, then would it be fusing his spider life into their spider life?

They can take it off at any time
 

no, if the theory is true then a piece of his life force should work somewhere to the pirates spirits, and if it’s not and a piece of his body, such as his blood,hair,etc should work

no, it wouldn’t take from as max health just cost a little bit of normal health and could easily be healed up

Possibly, but he wouldn’t based off his vignette, he views it as a second chance, and before you mention him warren to change back at the end of his short people can change their minds 

more a piece  of the human half’s life force 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I remember you suggesting it like that but I still prefer and think it’s better as a cave den. And my reasoning for that is that it would comfort the spiders more as it both fits the vibe/theme of most spiders and their dens.

Cave, spitter, shattered that’s  three that had rock like dense

Depth dweller out of sight, but probably mostly silk one undecided but probably mostly silk

strider, normal, warrior, all silk

queen, Nurse queen might not count, but does sprout of a silk den 

most of the queen‘s body is covered in silk, so nurses count as silk

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What do you mean by this exactly as they would make it their new home after seeing and eating the switcher doodles in front and you could revive them to that den with a life giving amulet.

how is the the homemade den going to tie the spider to the amulet or the thusite crown

notice how all the homes in DST have some piece or important item to respective species and how the respawn timer doesn’t start until one of the occupants is dead no matter how far the occupant is away from the home and one  respawn Per occupant and deer over back in the day where they canonized the fact that you die and respawn In solo Don’t Starve well I think that the same applies to at the very least some other creatures of the constant

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Did you just come up with that skill as I couldn’t find it in the current skill tree list, and either way could you tell me what it would do?

As long as it is energizable without farming then okay as it would force farming to reuse baby spiders.

Maybe another a snack like switcher doodles or monster milk as you suggested with the ability to grant stuff like that. I did suggest web juice once but cookies and milk sounds better.

 

Also after looking at the Webber short again it’s either for special effects or maybe the container was made of something special that wagstaff made and that gave the spider the power to fuse with child Webber. Or maybe maxwell did something as Webber did show quotes of not liking Maxwell as well as Maxwell being seen as lightning so that would probably be it as wagstaff didn’t have lunar power back then as Webber was also in solo don’t starve.

And for moon quay, the fusing theory is a possibility but I doubt Wilbur and moon queen have actually met. Though there could also be another world through that portal as it is called the unnatural ->portal<- (if you think about it wagstaff was probably trying to make another way to get to earth for better access to the constant so it may have accidentally connected to another portal machine in another world instead and maybe the sand over whelmed it so the machine broke but the magical connection stayed and after a bit of sand came the monkeys. Or maybe it was goo that turned into sand.)

Edited two: These are too theory that I came up with.

Edit 3: I just realize IF maxwell was the reason for the spider to contain unnatural energy, and wagstaff used lunar energy to make unnatural energy at moon quay, then what if unnatural energy is just a form of lunar or shadow energy that is unstable in a way that can cause certain things to happen aka fusion.

It’s the name I thought up for the directable spider skill. The reason why I gave you the new name was because I was hoping you could give me an idea of what to make this skill tree icon based off the name

• Educated arachnids: teaching spiders how to “chop/mine/hammer” with each having half the efficiency of a merm (possibly even: gather materials to keep the light from going out,when Using the Webby whistle on a boat spiders can put the sails down and up, picking crop, digging farm soil with proper spacing) by demonstrating it done normally so they make the connection between that and them breaking down stuff + they eat yucuse snot now when you’re stuck and you can teach spiders how to be more helpful(inspired by @JJ0264)                                                      
    
  spider pacific abilities: 
  Warrior:can jump on to enemies to  cause more damage over time, can Guard your stuff+players/mobs from those who would steal it(more effective the more you have)                           Nurse:built in booster shot,can can bite enemies to steal their health and added onto your next AOE heal(more effective the more you have)                                 Shattered:can focus there spikes in to into one bigger homed spike, can make and aoe knock back lunar energy attack(more effective the more you have)                            Strider: will catch fish for you,when on boat the will push it in the directions your steering(more effective the more you have).                                 Cave:can use its fourth pair of legs to stab enemies when in the shell,can protect the rest of the the group by blocking the enemies attack with there shell(more effective the more you have)                                Spitter:can be picked up and used to shoot stuff, will gather behind  befriended cave Spiders using them as a ballistic shield(more effective the more you have)                                                                               Dweller: (went on the surface) They can dig down and do a sneak attack on enemies, (when in the caves) can use the high up living quarters the help you map  the caves(more effective the more you have) 

I just thinking what if cookies and milk could be fed too spiders too make them enhance versions of the respective spider to the switcher doodle being used in that version of the craft

yeah, I definitely think the creation of unnatural energy definitely has something to do with Wagstaff’s experiments going wrong I’ve also noticed a correlation between our natural energy and electricity it’s possible that the reason the spider had a natural energy around. It is because when the machine broke that was holding out electricity interacted with The spider which is one of Maxwell‘s creations into unnatural energy maybe there’s some aspect of Wagstaff’s machinery that we’re not privy to that would produce unnatural energy when properly damaged

also, although I think the lunar energy was for the most part converted to unnatural energy Due to the fact that little blue Dots occasionally come out of the unnatural portal I’d say that kept some aspects of lunar energy, such as mutation which I believe is the case for banana bushes possibly a stalk of bananas went through the portal and became a new type of banana plant And I could be wrong and maybe bananas just grow that way where the powder monkeys come from

[Creatingabe1125]

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

1.Not Every detail of the theory may be true  but there are evidence in shorts, quotes, animation for the transferring from the the powder monkeys to you, the fact they come out of a portal made of unnatural energy which has been known to few things in the past shows that whether or not it’s it would be done by attaching a piece of him or his Lifeforce you can either be done both ways or just a piece of him route it can be done 

2. Why wouldn’t the the human half want to give his friend a safe and optional way to be around his other friends and it’s not like he has anything against being a spider he views his new transformation as a second chance and we don’t know how the spider half’s view of humans may have been affected by his fusion with the human half and his time being fused with the human half, and even if he was against it, which I doubt because merely giving dens decorations sways that their opinion of humans enough that they won’t attack them well in range of the decorated den

3. gameplay wise there’d be no difference in how it affects the other players whether or not you do it and unnatural energy form or not, the aspects of the theory that are important for this idea to work are confirmed the stuff I mentioned in number one it’s not that less simple

for example, if we were to go for the wreath route it’ll be some number of silk since the first care craft provides the den decorating set uses There’s no decorating set in the craft and a spider by the way, if we do go for the wreath route and do you think I should recycle the headspace crafts into wreaths with different spiders that give the same abilities as the different versions of the headspace craft

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

So you for or against Using blood in the form of health

I don’t mind if blood is used for health but also Webber’s blood is just spider and human blood combined not unnatural energy in there. I think the unnatural energy just fused them together and left, in the Webber short the spider has unnatural energy and it stayed for a bit right after Webber was fused but then it disappeared, so my theory is the energy fused them then left after it became stable again, and even if it did stay how would he control it as he is just a spider and a boy combined.

He would make friendship brackets or another form of a pass but why would he want to turn other survivors into somewhat spiders when he knows some of them are afraid of spiders or rather not be one. Being friends with spiders is one thing, becoming spiders is another thing, I never said the spider part hates humans especially after being fused with one and seeing what Webber boy had to deal with but I don’t know if the spider would like others survivors becoming spiders.

It wouldn’t affect the game mechanically but it could and would effect theories and the experience of the game, and any suggestions should not be made off a theory unless its confirmed lore as that is biased to that theory and not likely to be added if the theory is wrong but being inspired by a theory to make a suggestion that is not reliant on that theory being true to work is fine.

No as giving switcher doodle powers to Webber would not provide benefits to his character and is purely gimmicky as it has no lore reason, no good gameplay reason, and too op if it was good.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

They can take it off at any time
 

no, if the theory is true then a piece of his life force should work somewhere to the pirates spirits, and if it’s not and a piece of his body, such as his blood,hair,etc should work

no, it wouldn’t take from as max health just cost a little bit of normal health and could easily be healed up

Possibly, but he wouldn’t based off his vignette, he views it as a second chance, and before you mention him warren to change back at the end of his short people can change their minds 

more a piece  of the human half’s life force

They still are transformed just to become friends with spiders by being turned somewhat into a creature they don’t want to become, and they still experience becoming a somewhat spider.

I explained what I think about Webber and unnatural energy rn but I will say it again here. The energy just fused them while in an unstable state and left after stabilizing after they were fused as fused Webber did have the purple effect for a little bit before it left him. So Webber’s blood is just human and spider blood, no unnatural energy left inside.

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Cave, spitter, shattered that’s  three that had rock like dense

Depth dweller out of sight, but probably mostly silk one undecided but probably mostly silk

strider, normal, warrior, all silk

queen, Nurse queen might not count, but does sprout of a silk den 

most of the queen‘s body is covered in silk, so nurses count as silk

The 12 silk is to make the den webbed and to make it comfortable to other spiders, name one spider that likes light besides the sea striders and even then they all live in nests which I assume is dark enough for them to live in. I am sure all spiders like or don’t mind bone shards. Plus depth dwellers are used to cave/dark like areas.

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

how is the the homemade den going to tie the spider to the amulet or the thusite crown

notice how all the homes in DST have some piece or important item to respective species and how the respawn timer doesn’t start until one of the occupants is dead no matter how far the occupant is away from the home and one  respawn Per occupant and deer over back in the day where they canonized the fact that you die and respawn In solo Don’t Starve well I think that the same applies to at the very least some other creatures of the constant

The life giving amulet acts like a meat effigy but for spiders in the homemade den instead.

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s the name I thought up for the directable spider skill. The reason why I gave you the new name was because I was hoping you could give me an idea of what to make this skill tree icon based off the name

Are you still using the same bunch of work abilities for spiders or not? And I think the ewecus part should be a base perk as spiders can use their mouths to help clear the snot. And maybe Webber with a book teaching other spiders sitting down?

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I just thinking what if cookies and milk could be fed too spiders too make them enhance versions of the respective spider to the switcher doodle being used in that version of the craft

Switcher doodles are just to not have to go to the caves or the seas or spider queen just to get certain spiders not to enhance them.

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

yeah, I definitely think the creation of unnatural energy definitely has something to do with Wagstaff’s experiments going wrong I’ve also noticed a correlation between our natural energy and electricity it’s possible that the reason the spider had a natural energy around. It is because when the machine broke that was holding out electricity interacted with The spider which is one of Maxwell‘s creations into unnatural energy maybe there’s some aspect of Wagstaff’s machinery that we’re not privy to that would produce unnatural energy when properly damaged

also, although I think the lunar energy was for the most part converted to unnatural energy Due to the fact that little blue Dots occasionally come out of the unnatural portal I’d say that kept some aspects of lunar energy, such as mutation which I believe is the case for banana bushes possibly a stalk of bananas went through the portal and became a new type of banana plant And I could be wrong and maybe bananas just grow that way where the powder monkeys come from

I suggest Maxwell as Maxwell was trying to trick people into the constant, wagstaff didn’t have lunar energy back then and electricity alone couldn’t do that, so if that unnatural energy was from shadow energy that Maxwell added when no one was looking as he could see the boy’s thoughts and thought what an easy target, and then it all went according to plan. Which is why Webber hated Maxwell for tricking him and maybe planning it.

Probably wagstaff accidentally contacted the moon quay world instead of earth and then the monkeys came with similar traditions. And maybe the moon had some importance  in that world.

17 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Fixed it in my notes and I don’t understand the second half of this

He could use the silk in the egg sack craft to craft decorations for the egg sack and it probably doesn’t need it anyways as the baby spiders probably won’t be aggressive to the survivors, but where do the baby spiders come from again?

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

He could use the silk in the egg sack craft to craft decorations for the egg sack and it probably doesn’t need it anyways as the baby spiders probably won’t be aggressive to the survivors, but where do the baby spiders come from again?

 The baby spiders come from the spider egg  if if you mean where they originally appear then the Forge  how would he make decorations out of silk?

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

He would make friendship brackets or another form of a pass but why would he want to turn other survivors into somewhat spiders when he knows some of them are afraid of spiders or rather not be one. Being friends with spiders is one thing, becoming spiders is another thing, I never said the spider part hates humans especially after being fused with one and seeing what Webber boy had to deal with but I don’t know if the spider would like others survivors becoming spiders.

 

You know what now that you mention it that dislike of spiders point actually makes sense 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

 

It wouldn’t affect the game mechanically but it could and would effect theories and the experience of the game, and any suggestions should not be made off a theory unless its confirmed lore as that is biased to that theory and not likely to be added if the theory is wrong but being inspired by a theory to make a suggestion that is not reliant on that theory being true to work is fine.

My idea was more based off of the evidence that was compiled rather than the leaps made in the theory

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

 

I explained what I think about Webber and unnatural energy rn but I will say it again here. The energy just fused them while in an unstable state and left after stabilizing after they were fused as fused Webber did have the purple effect for a little bit before it left him. So Webber’s blood is just human and spider blood, no unnatural energy left inside.

First, I feel like somebody dissipated But I think the majority of is Infused into the body

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The 12 silk is to make the den webbed and to make it comfortable to other spiders, name one spider that likes light besides the sea striders and even then they all live in nests which I assume is dark enough for them to live in. I am sure all spiders like or don’t mind bone shards. Plus depth dwellers are used to cave/dark like areas

The discussion was about whether or not to put rocks in to the home den not about whether or not they like dark it’s clear that they are nocturnal for the most part that is not the front you’re getting pushed back on here

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The life giving amulet acts like a meat effigy but for spiders in the homemade den instead.

Works for me, but maybe before you can use them after they’ve tied themselves to the homemade den they should sleep in it to explain whether there isn’t a  divot in health

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Are you still using the same bunch of work abilities for spiders or not? And I think the ewecus part should be a base perk as spiders can use their mouths to help clear the snot. And maybe Webber with a book teaching other spiders sitting down?

Like they can already or you think they should outside the skill tree?

Also, he doesn’t use a book in game to teach them so  it would probably be something else but good thinking

now that that’s all it out

Do you think I should think of a new craft to replace the bracelet

Do you think there should be multiple different types of monster milk?
Maybe have it  be a crockpot recipe

One electric milk, two monster meat,
One (pig skin, bunny puff, cut stone, honey, nitre, moon glass, fig)

and it could enhance the corresponding spider type

Also, any ideas on what to make the next seven skills?

[Creatingabe1125]

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The baby spiders come from the spider egg  if if you mean where they originally appear then the Forge  how would he make decorations out of silk?

All that I wanted to know. but maybe you can only use the spiders with the egg sack in your inventory and only 1 egg sack at a time. Isn’t the den decoration kit made from boards, silk, and paper?

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

You know what now that you mention it that dislike of spiders point actually makes sense

I have been trying to say that but I assume you misunderstood it as me saying Webber is forcing them to transform.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

My idea was more based off of the evidence that was compiled rather than the leaps made in the theory

Even you’re own theories count including you thinking Webber can control the energy as that’s not really confirmed as a possibility and not a lot is know about this power as it’s only shown 2 times counting the unnatural portal and not the rifts and not 100% sure if the unnatural portal energy and Webber’s fusion energy are the same exact thing.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

First, I feel like somebody dissipated But I think the majority of is Infused into the body

I think the energy just did it’s thing of fusing and then left as it’s shown the energy disappeared after the fusion and not staying around him nor does he have any shadow/lunar reactions assuming that’s the origins of this energy. Unless you can prove that it stayed or atleast that being more likely I am thinking that. But those are just theories.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The discussion was about whether or not to put rocks in to the home den not about whether or not they like dark it’s clear that they are nocturnal for the most part that is not the front you’re getting pushed back on here

 

I mean it seems like a good option as it provides darkness, it’s hard, natural to like 1/3 of the spiders, and I don’t think the other spiders would mind it too much and plus it mostly acts as the wall to the den so the inside could just be made of silk with some stone spots for those stone loving spiders.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Works for me, but maybe before you can use them after they’ve tied themselves to the homemade den they should sleep in it to explain whether there isn’t a  divot in health

What if the den had a whistle or bell to call out the spiders with out the webby whistle as it’s mainly to store extra spider types so they can sleep safely in the day and come out normally in the night. Also any spider belonging to the den with the amulet gets revived there but the amulet only has 10 uses of revival. If your smart you would use this for your most important spiders.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Like they can already or you think they should outside the skill tree?

Also, he doesn’t use a book in game to teach them so  it would probably be something else but good thinking

The extra working skills like sails and stuff like that shouldn’t be a thing and maybe smashing, digging, and tilling is a bit too much for spiders that could do no work at first but I could see chopping and mining. They should probably add the ewecus ability ethier to the base perks of Webber or maybe a hidden ability for the working skill.

and I got the idea from wickerbottom reading books to the kids so what if webber read a borrowed or handmade book (in the icon not in gameplay) to the spiders to teach them how to work so they do.

57 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

now that that’s all it out

Do you think I should think of a new craft to replace the bracelet

Do you think there should be multiple different types of monster milk?
Maybe have it  be a crockpot recipe

One electric milk, two monster meat,
One (pig skin, bunny puff, cut stone, honey, nitre, moon glass, fig)

and it could enhance the corresponding spider type

Also, any ideas on what to make the next seven skills?

I like the bracelet just no turning people into somewhat spiders and just have it work like a friendship pass though if you have a Webber you have no reason to have other players to be with spiders unless you’re away.

I had the idea of web juice, you could milk some of the ideas from mine but depends on what they would do. Also probably a craft as switcher doodles are also crafts.

“I had an idea called web juice. There are a few types of web juice you can make using a skill. Using 2 ice, 2 mosquito sacks, and 2 berrys can make you a Hearty Web Juice, you can feed it to a single spider for 50 or 100 health whichever seems more balanced or you can squirt it for a slow but not too slow regen for up to 50 or 25 health whichever seems more balanced. Next is a Cooling Web Juice, it costs 3 ice, 1 blue gem, and 1 fish, it would set spiders off fire when squirted but when feed to a spider that spider will be able to use ice fangs to slowly freeze their enemies. Next could be a Calming Web Juice that costs 2 ice, 2 moon moth wings or 3 lunar flower blossoms which ever seems better for the recipe, and 1 bunny puff. When squirted it will calm down all aggressive spiders no matter who they are targeting or if they are befriended or not and not aggro again for a few seconds unless Webber attacks something or something attacks a spider, when given to a spider it will be sent to sleep for the rest of dawn and night and up to 1 minute in daytime. And then last but not least the Energy Web Juice, it costs 2 ice, 1 rabbit, and 2 honey. It will increase the speed of spiders when squirted and feed but being feed has a bit better speed boost and lasts longer. That’s it.”

If you could what if you made the skill tree look like a web? And I currently don’t have any skill ideas for Webber.

Edited September 4, 2024 by Creatingabe1125

[Dr.Webber]

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

All that I wanted to know. but maybe you can only use the spiders with the egg sack in your inventory and only 1 egg sack at a time. Isn’t the den decoration kit made from boards, silk, and paper?

4 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s only supposed to be made with one spider egg 

The Silkwood ad the stick of the stickers and also help make the flag but you would need at least paper to make the stickers

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Even you’re own theories count including you thinking Webber can control the energy as that’s not really confirmed as a possibility and not a lot is know about this power as it’s only shown 2 times counting the unnatural portal and not the rifts and not 100% sure if the unnatural portal energy and Webber’s fusion energy are the same exact thing.

Me want to explore the aspect of him is less to do with the theory that he can control it and more to do with that’s a aspect of his past that I think could really be expanded upon

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I mean it seems like a good option as it provides darkness, it’s hard, natural to like 1/3 of the spiders, and I don’t think the other spiders would mind it too much and plus it mostly acts as the wall to the den so the inside could just be made of silk with some stone spots for those stone loving spiders.

It could also be said that the ones that live in stone wouldn’t mind just silk

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What if the den had a whistle or bell to call out the spiders with out the webby whistle as it’s mainly to store extra spider types so they can sleep safely in the day and come out normally in the night. Also any spider belonging to the den with the amulet gets revived there but the amulet only has 10 uses of revival. If your smart you would use this for your most important spiders.

Wouldn’t they come out naturally during night

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The extra working skills like sails and stuff like that shouldn’t be a thing and maybe smashing, digging, and tilling is a bit too much for spiders that could do no work at first but I could see chopping and mining. They should probably add the ewecus ability ethier to the base perks of Webber or maybe a hidden ability for the working skill.

and I got the idea from wickerbottom reading books to the kids so what if webber read a borrowed or handmade book (in the icon not in gameplay) to the spiders to teach them how to work so they do.

Spiders can use their mouths to pull the sails based on the fact that the decorations  completely make them passive while in range rather then them being distracted a couple times then getting used to it and forgetting it there and the fact the one showed the ability to “hand” signal and this might not count be of the fact that merging with a human made him smarter but Webber’s spider half has his own performance where he not only talk but tells a coherent story long story short spiders in dst are smarter then we give them credit for 

having a part of the skill tree reliant on another character doesn’t seem right + he doesn’t seem like the reading type

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I like the bracelet just no turning people into somewhat spiders and just have it work like a friendship pass though if you have a Webber you have no reason to have other players to be with spiders unless you’re away.

I had the idea of web juice, you could milk some of the ideas from mine but depends on what they would do. Also probably a craft as switcher doodles are also crafts.

So  should I replace the health with some beard hairs perhaps something else fill the spot or just leave it as is without the bracelets

I don’t really like the web juice idea it feels too much like a Wendy thing that has random perks right then just improving the spider no offense

This it feels like it would need to be cooked into the milk that’s why I asked going to crockpot route earlier than just crafting it like I could see it working for doodles like they’d probably be mixed up doughy cookies but I feel like that wouldn’t work with something that needs to dissolve into the liquid almost

you know, I was thinking about moving the spare Pacific abilities from educated acid to this one and just keeping it as just the generalized stuff

[Creatingabe1125]

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Spiders can use their mouths to pull the sails based on the fact that the decorations  completely make them passive while in range rather then them being distracted a couple times then getting used to it and forgetting it there and the fact the one showed the ability to “hand” signal and this might not count be of the fact that merging with a human made him smarter but Webber’s spider half has his own performance where he not only talk but tells a coherent story long story short spiders in dst are smarter then we give them credit for 

having a part of the skill tree reliant on another character doesn’t seem right + he doesn’t seem like the reading type

I think that spiders being able to do complex stuff like that is just op and unfair gameplay wise.

and characters in the quotes get help from other characters too in the game so it’s like wickerbottom teaches Webber how to communicate with his spiders even more. Just an idea but if you don’t like it I have nothing else rn.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Wouldn’t they come out naturally during night

 

Yeah but it’s so you don’t have to use the webby whistle during daytime.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It could also be said that the ones that live in stone wouldn’t mind just silk

Yes, but I think rock would provide more shade and more durable to the home. Also I find the homemade rock version looks more spider natural. Do you have a problem with the rock version?

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Me want to explore the aspect of him is less to do with the theory that he can control it and more to do with that’s a aspect of his past that I think could really be expanded upon

Fair but still the unnatural stuff with Webber is still kind of a theory.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It’s only supposed to be made with one spider egg 

The Silkwood ad the stick of the stickers and also help make the flag but you would need at least paper to make the stickers

It could be made with reeds or rope to make it look like a sack/pouch for stickers but in dst random stuff can and does just come out of nowhere in recipes.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

So  should I replace the health with some beard hairs perhaps something else fill the spot or just leave it as is without the bracelets

I don’t really like the web juice idea it feels too much like a Wendy thing that has random perks right then just improving the spider no offense

This it feels like it would need to be cooked into the milk that’s why I asked going to crockpot route earlier than just crafting it like I could see it working for doodles like they’d probably be mixed up doughy cookies but I feel like that wouldn’t work with something that needs to dissolve into the liquid almost

you know, I was thinking about moving the spare Pacific abilities from educated acid to this one and just keeping it as just the generalized stuff

5 silk, 1 gold, 3 bone shards? I meant turning those web juice into milk but they do help as spiders could use healing though there is healing glop and nurse spiders, the ice one is for fire fights or cases when you and your spiders set on fire, or when your friend or a pig punches a spider but the webby whistle can do that. But how would you suggest improving the spiders themselves without being op or unfair to other creatures.

Though it would be easier to just add monster meat into the milk rather then waiting and putting it inside the crockpot plus Webber doesn’t need his own cooking recipe when he could just have a crafting recipe.

huh?

[Dr.Webber]

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think that spiders being able to do complex stuff like that is just op and unfair gameplay wise.

and characters in the quotes get help from other characters too in the game so it’s like wickerbottom teaches Webber how to communicate with his spiders even more. Just an idea but if you don’t like it I have nothing else rn.

I’m keeping hammering but I’m willing to get rid of the other things you mentioned

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Yeah but it’s so you don’t have to use the webby whistle during daytime.

How bout we just have him interact with the homemade den to do that

 

4 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Yes, but I think rock would provide more shade and more durable to the home. Also I find the homemade rock version looks more spider natural. Do you have a problem with the rock version?

11 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I just prefer the silk version

 

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

huh?

Sorry, AutoCorrect what I meant to say was in the educated arachnid skill each special spider types have their own additional abilities  so I was thinking about moving the those to The monster milk skill