Umbralla should give movement speed

[Reiko24]

Title. It is very underwhelming right now in my opinion. I can't imagine a situation where I would use an Umbralla instead of a Walking Cane. I can just use an Eyebrella. If Umbralla gave movement speed, it would certainly be worth using.

Right now it's a late-game, expensive gear that is just a more expensive Eyebrella that makes you unable to use a Walking Cane.

And because it is an expensive item that can wear out unlike a Walking Cane, i would suggest giving it the same amount of movement speed bonus as the Stalking Stick from Hamlet (30%).

 

Edit: In the scrapbook it shows cold resistance, but apparently it's actually heat resistance, just like Eyebrella, so I deleted the Beefalo Hat part, so the Umbralla is even worse.

[Mike23Ua]

Would be cool if there was like a trail of nightmare puddle under your feet to visually show you moving faster with the help of the Shadows similar to Wormwoods flower trail.

[Pticman]

I don't like the idea of completely over-creeping walking cane,  if you combine this two items it is just too much. I honestly think this item is fine as it is, you can use it while traveling on beefalo while head slot is equipped with celestial crown/tam o shenter/someting else. Yes, eybrella overshadows umbralla in the most of the situations, but I think it is just the problem with eybrella being too good for what it does. Maybe some small tweaks or niche features (idk maybe decreasing the agro range of shadow creatures, because you know you hide under dark umbralla lul, might be useful in the ruins just for travelling) , but not to this extent.

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Maybe a combination of the walking cane and umbrella as a crafting recipe lol? but I don't think it makes sense for umbrella to completely overshadow other speed equipment imo

[TheTrueStickman]

I'd be more willing to give it light honestly, it's trying to fill a cave niche so having a light source built into it as a unique aspect could be pretty sick.

[Pedro cc]

actually giving light could be better, movement speed is just too much for an umbrella

[WhackE]

30% is too mucn, maybe 10% since that's what the Thuleclub provides.

I've been chatting with a few people and what if instead of speed it gave light? not a huge amount, Something similar to willows lighter, so you can have other non light items in the head and body slot.
I also just like the idea of a pink spotlight coming out of it, like how the nightmare fissures produces a pink spotlight.

 

[Maxil20]

What if it only gave the 30% speed boost when it was raining (and optionally if the world was still wet)? It would mean it would have an edge over the cane during rainy weather, but would lose the advantage after the rain ends. It would still make it a solid cave tool, especially during winter and spring where rains are frequent.

[TheTrueStickman]

4 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

What if it only gave the 30% speed boost when it was raining (and optionally if the world was still wet)? It would mean it would have an edge over the cane during rainy weather, but would lose the advantage after the rain ends. It would still make it a solid cave tool, especially during winter and spring where rains are frequent.

It already has the edge over the cane in rain where it makes you immune to it though? and it's already where the item its meant to be used, so its not like it's gaining anything out of it.

[Pedro cc]

9 minutes ago, WhackE said:

30% maybe 10% since that's what the Thuleclub provides.

I've been chatting with a few people and what if instead of speed it gave light? not a huge amount, Something similar to willows lighter, so you can have other non light items in the head and body slot.
I also just like the idea of a pink spotlight coming out of it, like how the nightmare fissures produces a pink spotlight.

 

Yes it should give light specially when you consider you would want to wear armor to protect yourself

This way of glow is way better without being a lantern that last 15 days. klei could use some code from the new years lantern to make them glow in a small radius.

[Reiko24]

10 hours ago, Pticman said:

I don't like the idea of completely over-creeping walking cane,  if you combine this two items it is just too much. I honestly think this item is fine as it is, you can use it while traveling on beefalo while head slot is equipped with celestial crown/tam o shenter/someting else. Yes, eybrella overshadows umbralla in the most of the situations, but I think it is just the problem with eybrella being too good for what it does. Maybe some small tweaks or niche features (idk maybe decreasing the agro range of shadow creatures, because you know you hide under dark umbralla lul, might be useful in the ruins just for travelling) , but not to this extent.

While I agree with some of your points, I don't understand how Umbralla is fine as it is. It's just an Eyebrella. It does nothing more. When you compare the prices of the items there is a huge gap.

3 hours ago, TheTrueStickman said:

It already has the edge over the cane in rain where it makes you immune to it though? and it's already where the item its meant to be used, so its not like it's gaining anything out of it.

Eyebrella on head, cane in hand. Better combo than holding an Umbralla and losing movement speed imo

3 hours ago, Pedro cc said:

actually giving light could be better, movement speed is just too much for an umbrella

That's a good idea. It would be really good if you could put the Umbralla on the ground and it would glow also.

[Gashzer]

Nah it shouldnt create light or move faster. Bulbous lightbugs fill this niche light source requirement really well. Just use what the game already has.

The whole point of these updates is to break peoples standard gameplay norms and get them to try out different things or to stop using backpacks for once lol . If the umbralla has light or speed boost then u can continue playing the game as you always do.

Currently you have to make some sort of sacrifice to survive the acid rain, whether it be speed, backpack or light. And you have to work out other work arounds for these sacrifices like lightbugs for light or beefalo for speed.

[Reiko24]

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Nah it shouldnt create light or move faster. Bulbous lightbugs fill this niche light source requirement really well. Just use what the game already has.

The whole point of these updates is to break peoples standard gameplay norms and get them to try out different things or to stop using backpacks for once lol . If the umbralla has light or speed boost then u can continue playing the game as you always do.

Currently you have to make some sort of sacrifice to survive the acid rain, whether it be speed, backpack or light. And you have to work out other work arounds for these sacrifices like lightbugs for light or beefalo for speed.

It's not about this kind of thing. I can just use an Eyebrella for acid rain. It's not like sewing kits are very expensive. You missed the point. Umbralla has nothing of value. It's just a worse Eyebrella (cuz it's more expensive and takes away your hand slot).

11 hours ago, . . . said:

Maybe a combination of the walking cane and umbrella as a crafting recipe lol? but I don't think it makes sense for umbrella to completely overshadow other speed equipment imo

I mean, imo it makes sense that an item that can run out and can't be repaired as a late game item can overshadow an early game Walking Cane.

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

It's not about this kind of thing. I can just use an Eyebrella for acid rain. It's not like sewing kits are very expensive. You missed the point. Umbralla has nothing of value. It's just a worse Eyebrella (cuz it's more expensive and takes away your hand slot).

Tbh spamming sewing kits is another solution. But that is annoying to do.

What damage does the umbralla do? It looks like it has a spear top. I feel like if it did battle spear damage it would have its own niche as a weapon/rain protection item.

[gamehun20]

10 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

I mean, imo it makes sense that an item that can run out and can't be repaired as a late game item can overshadow an early game Walking Cane.

The umbralla can be repaired just saying also there are much funner ideas around the forum than just speed and light to this thing

2 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

What damage does the umbralla do? It looks like it has a spear top. I feel like if it did battle spear damage it would have its own niche as a weapon/rain protection item.

10 damage right now

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

The umbralla can be repaired just saying also there are much funner ideas around the forum than just speed and light to this thing

10 damage right now

Oof.. give it the fencing spears attack animation, up its range to that of the alarming clock and boost its damage to 51. Boom we have a long range pike/umbralla hybrid weapon with its own long range niche plus acid rain protection.

[Masked Koopa]

I don't know why ya'll are so worried about making an upgrade to the walking cane. It's literally something you can get during the second season of the game by killing some relatively weak enemies, while this is an item that requires a bunch of boss kills and general game progression.

[Reiko24]

10 hours ago, Masked Koopa said:

I don't know why ya'll are so worried about making an upgrade to the walking cane. It's literally something you can get during the second season of the game by killing some relatively weak enemies, while this is an item that requires a bunch of boss kills and general game progression.

agreed. also it can get destroyed unlike a walking cane

[Mike23Ua]

11 hours ago, Masked Koopa said:

I don't know why ya'll are so worried about making an upgrade to the walking cane. It's literally something you can get during the second season of the game by killing some relatively weak enemies, while this is an item that requires a bunch of boss kills and general game progression.

Actually.. you can get a Walking Cane way way Wayyy before Winter ever starts, and no I’m not talking about lucking up on it in a failed survivor set piece (while that’s equally a valid way to get one..) you can ALSO get it from Sunken Chests at Sea.

Alternatively: if your world has ever been through WintersFeast, you can just sleep next to a fully decorated Christmas Tree to have Charlie gift you one in a present in the middle of the Night.

I wish people would stop treating the walking cane as this OP item you can only get from fighting MacTusks in Winter, it’s not.. and for awhile now it hasn’t been. They’re much faster to obtain now.

But speaking as a Console Gamer- I can’t use the Cane/Weapon Swapping that I watch every PC player effortlessly be able to do.. and it seems like a lot of the games content (particularly dragonfly) is designed with the intention you can quickly switch between Cane for Speed and Weapon and Vice Versa- but this isn’t and has never been the console experience: it COULD be if Klei actually cared to give a huge QoL to how the game plays on controllers, but for right now: Switching Between Cane for Speed & Weapons aren’t very viable.

That Said- Having Umbralla provide Cane Speed, and maybe Spear Damage while also doubling down as protection from Acid Rain/Rain in General would make it a very good mid/late game item.

Hell I will probably toggle these rifts to on in my day 1 worlds just so I won’t have to try to swap between a Cane & a Weapon anymore- The “Balance” cost?

Obviously the Repair kits you’ll burn through repairing your Cane/Weapon/Umbrella. But it’ll be soooo worth it.

[Reiko24]

9 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Actually.. you can get a Walking Cane way way Wayyy before Winter ever starts, and no I’m not talking about licking up on it in a failed survivor set piece (while that’s equally a valid way to get one..) you can ALSO get it from Sunken Chests at Sea.

Alternatively: if your world has ever been through WintersFeast, you can just sleep next to a fully decorated Christmas Tree to have Charlie gift you one in a present in the middle of the Night.

I wish people would stop treating the walking cane as this OP item you can only get from fighting MacTusks in Winter, it’s not.. and for awhile now it hasn’t been. They’re much faster to obtain now.

But speaking as a Console Gamer- I can’t use the Cane/Weapon Swapping that I watch every PC player effortlessly be able to do.. and it seems like a lot of the games content (particularly dragonfly) is designed with the intention you can quickly switch between Cane for Speed and Weapon and Vice Versa- but this isn’t and has never been the console experience: it COULD be if Klei actually cared to give a huge QoL to how the game plays on controllers, but for right now: Switching Between Cane for Speed & Weapons aren’t very viable.

That Said- Having Umbralla provide Cane Speed, and maybe Spear Damage while also doubling down as protection from Acid Rain/Rain in General would make it a very good mid/late game item.

Hell I will probably toggle these rifts to on in my day 1 worlds just so I won’t have to try to swap between a Cane & a Weapon anymore- The “Balance” cost?

Obviously the Repair kits you’ll burn through repairing your Cane/Weapon/Umbrella. But it’ll be soooo worth it.

If I remember correctly, you cannot use sewing kits on the Umbralla.

[gamehun20]

25 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

If I remember correctly, you cannot use sewing kits on the Umbralla.

Yes you can

[secretgalaxy]

Honestly, I’ll just add that as for a shady umbrella, it makes no sense to protect 100% from the rain, because. its speed is the same as with a conventional umbrella. And given that you pick up a regular umbrella + a straw hat, then you will get a shady umbrella. The only plus of a shady umbrella is that you have a free head for a hat, but in caves it has almost no meaning.

 

[Reiko24]

1 hour ago, secretgalaxy said:

Honestly, I’ll just add that as for a shady umbrella, it makes no sense to protect 100% from the rain, because. its speed is the same as with a conventional umbrella. And given that you pick up a regular umbrella + a straw hat, then you will get a shady umbrella. The only plus of a shady umbrella is that you have a free head for a hat, but in caves it has almost no meaning.

 

Not even a straw hat, a football helmet is enough lol. So the only use I saw for it, using armor on the head instead of the Eyebrella is nonexistent anyways, since you can do it with the item you can craft the first day.

[secretgalaxy]

12 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Not even a straw hat, a football helmet is enough lol. So the only use I saw for it, using armor on the head instead of the Eyebrella is nonexistent anyways, since you can do it with the item you can craft the first day.

I agree with you. But I mean the usefulness of a shady umbrella in a cave. In the cave, you either wear a Miner Hat or hold a flashlight in your hands (unless you count Magiluminescence, of course). If you want to walk around the cave with a Miner Hat, then an ordinary umbrella will suffice. Miner Hat + umbrella - you will no longer get wet. If you walk with a flashlight in the cave, you can simply equip Eyebrella.