DST Forever or something, I'd Pay $70, give Kidney. LFG?

[Philip.]

Interesting to see the paradox of today's world and society. Some people have trouble making money and some have trouble spending them...

[goodguythatguy]

41 minutes ago, Philip. said:

Interesting to see the paradox of today's world and society. Some people have trouble making money and some have trouble spending them...

Sorry to go semi-off topic again, but this reminds me of when their was a massive hunger from Blizzard Customers for a World Of Warcraft Classic release, which they expressed towards Blizzard. Blizzard seriously responded to these people with fistfuls of money in their hands by saying "You think you want Classic World Of Warcraft, but you really don't", or something along those lines. I'm sure I can find the exact quote if I look online for it. Eventually, after several years, Blizzard took the message seriously and released a World Of Warcraft Classic, which I think was a success, as far as I understand. 

It's like going to a restaurant, asking for a Burger with No Tomato, and the Chef comes out to tell you "You think you want your burger without tomato, but you really don't". 

But, yeah, it seems there's some disconnection that can occur between what producers are willing to build and what consumers want to throw money at. It's almost like the producers of games think their customer base is incapable of understanding what they want, or the producers want to think that only they're capable of "good ideas". To be fair, they're probably right about that most of the time. 

Unfortunately, there are projects like "Pantheon: Rise Of The Fallen" or "Everquest: Next" that understood that there is a large customer base that is looking for something specific, but no Producers are willing to build them what they're willing to throw money at. These projects accept all the fistfuls of money from this crowd through Donation Start Ups/ Neverending Early Access type models, then they never deliver a product. They just grift on the demand and fleece the whole crowd for the lols or something. 

[Mike23Ua]

Please at least try to keep your thread on topic (ironic coming from me but yeah..) I want to throw another tidbit of information out there for those who may not be aware.

For PC & PS4 Reign of Giants was a paid DLC expansion to Dont Starve.

For Xbox & Nintendo Switch RoG has always been a core part of the game & there’s not any version of the game you can buy on Xbox or Switch that does not already include this expansion.

Shipwrecked while a paid DLC on PC, Ps4 & Xbox, is already included with the Nintendo Switch version.

Meanwhile Hamlet is sold separately as a DLC on PC, PS4, Xbox AND Switch.

The above pattern shows that if Klei WAS to rerelease DS on Xbox Series X/S and PS5, that it will likely come bundled with the previous released DLCs and like with the above examples, there wouldn’t be a version of the game that did not come without this content.

What this means is that DS (PS5/Series X/S) would come packaged with all previously released contents.

They could then simply discontinue the ability to purchase older versions of the game (same as how you can’t buy Dont Starve on Switch Without it already including RoG & Shipwrecked..)

Now onto the ultimate dream of mine: If a next Gen Re-release included DS+RoG+SW+Hamlet+DST all in one package- then Klei could make the ultimate game.. and allow me to play as DST characters in DS or SW characters in DST, or use all my skin collection in DS or any or it’s DLCs.

This to me would be well worth the 70$ price tag of a rerelease, but additional things that could make the deal more worthwhile would be Improved Graphics, new game engine, all previously released dlc, skins & characters, new gameplay features (such as higher player count limit,  bigger worlds, more world Gen options etc..)

Now Then- If a next Gen Rerelease of DS/DST included all previously released contents, then I could generate my worlds with content options from SW+Hamlet mobs, resources and features- such as having a world generation setting for Shipwrecked Style Archipelagos or Hamlet Cities.

In short if I’m expected to be paying 70$ for it.. it needs to be something enticing enough to get me to pay 70$ for it.

 

[goodguythatguy]

44 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 

In short if I’m expected to be paying 70$ for it.. it needs to be something enticing enough to get me to pay 70$ for it.

 

Games with 20 to 200 hours of playable content are being sold for $70. Recently someone told me that Zelda was being sold for $70, the first question I had was "How many hours until there's nothing left to do in the game and I never want to play it again?". Doing a Google Search, I see it's 193 hours of gameplay to complete everything in the game. 
I've put in thousands of hours into DST over the years, and it only cost $20. The Replayability of DST is at epic levels, from my perspective. The suggestions you've made would be awesome to see implemented, but I think even if Klei implemented a fraction of your suggestions, or some other interesting elements,  I would still buy it for $70 for the value of the Replayability alone. 

It probably takes the average person 200 hours of playing DST just to wrap their head around what the heck is even going on. Then they can start actually playing the game instead of being played by the game. 

Klei is lucky the new Zelda wasn't an OpenWorld Survivalcraft with high levels of Replayability and simplified Mod support. I would be getting a job as a Camp Counselor this Summer so I can steal some vulnerable Campers Nintendo Switch. Little kids always have extra Nintendo Switches hanging around for me to bully away from them. 

[goodguythatguy]

When an MMO releases a paid Expansion, does it create a rift in the Player Base? 
I thought the people that purchase the Expansion have access to the new content, but the people that don't purchase the Expansion can still continue to play with them, they just don't have access to the new content. Then, they feel like a loser. Then, they feel social pressure to buy the new expansion. Especially when all the people that did buy the Expansion keep talking about how awesome the new Expansion is, and how all the people that didn't buy it are dweeby n00bz. Then, they buy the Expansion to escape Social Ostracism and a lifetime of loneliness.  

[Ornge]

Have you tried hamlet and shipwrecked?

[goodguythatguy]

39 minutes ago, Ornge said:

Have you tried hamlet and shipwrecked?

I haven't played either, but I have watched hours of Hamlet and Shipwrecked gameplay, so I'm somewhat familiar. I think I own both, but I never felt the need to install them. Why, what's up?

I do own Shipwrecked, but not Hamlet.

When I initially bought DST, I figured I'd buy the whole Don't Starve Bundle that was available at the time, just in case I wanted to play the Single Player Versions at some point in the future, but DST has kept me captivated enough that I havent been motivated to install Singleplayer Don't Starves. I actually recall that even buying DST was confusing AF to me. I didn't know if these games were independent of each other, or if they were just Expansion for DST, or both at the same time. Everything is a puzzle when it comes to Klei. 

[00petar00]

If I remember correctly the reason there isn't any DLCs for DST is because Klei doesn't want to split the playerbase and they seem to have said that somewhere on the forums or something along these lines in the past.

If you want to give Klei more money but don't want skins, you can gift game copies to people.

I kind of feel the same as @Maxposting , who will feel happy about spending 70$ for a remake and split the playerbase and if Klei decides to stop supporting the current DST version just to force you to swap, a lot of players would be mad for a good reason.

Why do you guys think league of legends has been such a dominant game? The answer is because any PC can run it. Remake of DST would just have higher hardware requirements and thus making it less accessible.

if DLC is released for DST how would it be implemented? Maybe the players that own the DLC host the servers and everyone even without owning the DLC connecting to their servers will have access to the content? This doesn't seem like a good idea but it would be even worse if players can't connect if they don't own the DLC.

[DajeKotlyar]

Board game in DS universe could be nice

Ir deck building card game, physical or video

[goodguythatguy]

4 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

If I remember correctly the reason there isn't any DLCs for DST is because Klei doesn't want to split the playerbase and they seem to have said that somewhere on the forums or something along these lines in the past.

If you want to give Klei more money but don't want skins, you can gift game copies to people.

I kind of feel the same as @Maxposting , who will feel happy about spending 70$ for a remake and split the playerbase and if Klei decides to stop supporting the current DST version just to force you to swap, a lot of players would be mad for a good reason.

Why do you guys think league of legends has been such a dominant game? The answer is because any PC can run it. Remake of DST would just have higher hardware requirements and thus making it less accessible.

if DLC is released for DST how would it be implemented? Maybe the players that own the DLC host the servers and everyone even without owning the DLC connecting to their servers have access to the content? This doesn't seem like a good idea but it would be even worse if players can't connect if they don't own the DLC.

This is the best explanation I've seen of why this thread I've created might be cancer. Maybe, what I'm suggesting is truely a bad idea, down to the very fundamentals. the "bottom line" is splitting the player base is not a good idea. What I'm suggesting will harm Klei in the grand scheme of things, it won't be a beneficial move for Klei. At least if I'm understanding you properly. I wouldn't want to see Klei take an Loss, so this whole thread seriously might be cancer. 

[Maxposting]

10 minutes ago, DajeKotlyar said:

Board game in DS universe could be nice

Ir deck building card game, physical or video

There's Griftlands released by Klei. It's definitely not Don't Starve, but it's an alright deck-builder game.

[00petar00]

11 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

This is the best explanation I've seen of why this thread I've created might be cancer. Maybe, what I'm suggesting is truely a bad idea, down to the very fundamentals. the "bottom line" is splitting the player base is not a good idea. What I'm suggesting will harm Klei in the grand scheme of things, it won't be a beneficial move for Klei. At least if I'm understanding you properly. I wouldn't want to see Klei take an Loss, so this whole thread seriously might be cancer. 

It is completely fine for you to make a thread about any DST related topic you might have and anyone can unknowingly make a suggestion that most wouldn't agree with.

There are always positives and negatives DLC releases aren't any different, as that would mean we would get much more content compared to betas we usually get as they would be selling them.

[goodguythatguy]

19 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

It is completely fine for you to make a thread about any DST related questions you might have and anyone can unknowingly make a suggestion that most wouldn't agree with.

There are always positives and negatives DLC releases aren't any different, as that would mean we would get much more content compared to betas we usually get as they would be selling them.

This makes sense to me.

I'll buy Hamlet and some new skins. Although I probably have enough Spools to buy all of them at this point. Maybe I can figure out a way to gift a Skin Pack to that sneaky @Bezka person from this threads last page. 

12 hours ago, BezKa said:

Tough luck, I already have them all Unless you buy me guess of honor Wilson from the steam market xD

I just checked the Market. Honor Wilson is $25! You really are sneaky. 

[DajeKotlyar]

33 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

There's Griftlands released by Klei. It's definitely not Don't Starve, but it's an alright deck-builder game.

Yeah I know about it but just imagine some kind of mix of all DS games, base, RoG, SW, Ham, DST, Forge and Gorge in one card deck building game. With all characters, mobs, some unimplemented content and gags (I'd love shadow Wilson), with all items, structures (for example science mashine can upgrade axe to spear and alc. engine upgrades spear to ham bat). With unique sanity and hunger mechanics. Also players could choose between Them and Shadows. Stack on a top lovely graphic, wonderful mucis and sounds.

Omg I see so much potential to spend lots of money

[Antynomity]

I wouldn't mind if they started doing new DLCs or ported SW and HAM to DST once Klei feels satisfied with the current story and content of the game.

[goodguythatguy]

59 minutes ago, DajeKotlyar said:

Board game in DS universe could be nice

Ir deck building card game, physical or video

The Deck Building genre seems heavily saturated and competitive with a lot of money already invested in projects. I think Blizzard has one. Wizards Of The Coast has MTG Arena. 
As long as Klei is able to make profit, I'm a fan. 

20 minutes ago, yourAnty said:

I wouldn't mind if they started doing new DLCs or ported SW and HAM to DST once Klei feels satisfied with the current story and content of the game.

I think this is the sentiment I've been trying to convey throughout this thread. 

[Starlogy]

2 hours ago, goodguythatguy said:

I think I own both, but I never felt the need to install them. Why, what's up?

I do own Shipwrecked, but not Hamlet.

Give Shipwrecked a try if you are desperate for an expansion of DS. No multiplayer, but Shipwrecked is very fun and super refreshing to play if you've exclusively played DST.

Besides, despite no official multiplayer SW, there is a mod called Island Adventures which does its best to port SW over to DST.

[goodguythatguy]

12 minutes ago, Starlogy said:

Give Shipwrecked a try if you are desperate for an expansion of DS. No multiplayer, but Shipwrecked is very fun and super refreshing to play if you've exclusively played DST.

Besides, despite no official multiplayer SW, there is a mod called Island Adventures which does its best to port SW over to DST.

Sounds good. I just bought Hamlet about an hour ago, that completes the Collection. $6 spent, $64 to go.

[Helord]

After how disappointing KSP2 turned out I'm almost hoping there isn't a DST2 in the works just yet.

[goodguythatguy]

9 minutes ago, Helord said:

After how disappointing KSP2 turned out I'm almost hoping there isn't a DST2 in the works just yet.

I've never played a Kerbal game. It sounds like they rekt themselves by releasing a Sequel too soon?

[goodguythatguy]

So, I bought Hamlet yesterday. Hamlet was released in 2018, 5 years ago. Don't Starve is not an Online Multiplayer game, so making DLC for it wouldn't "divide the playerbase". But, there hasn't been a DLC released in 5 years. I guess there's no demand for Don't Starve DLC releases? I don't think Lab Rat, Rotwood or Mind Over Magic are DLC for Don't Starve, so it doesn't look like there's anything in the works. 

Also, there are several Mods that make Controller Gameplay feasible for DST, but those Mods do not exist for Don't Starve, as far as I can tell. Not gonna be playing Don't Starve anytime soon.

[Mike23Ua]

10 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

So, I bought Hamlet yesterday. Hamlet was released in 2018, 5 years ago. Don't Starve is not an Online Multiplayer game, so making DLC for it wouldn't "divide the playerbase". But, there hasn't been a DLC released in 5 years. I guess there's no demand for Don't Starve DLC releases? I don't think Lab Rat, Rotwood or Mind Over Magic are DLC for Don't Starve, so it doesn't look like there's anything in the works. 

The entirety of return of them, every character rework, every update that’s been done to the game since 2019- all that is Free Updates that instead of releasing as a paid DLC that would separate its players: Klei opted to release for free to everyone as free content updates.

if you took the entirety of everything Klei has been doing each and every month since 2019 you would have your major dlc or game sequel that your wanting.

So so Sooooo many amazing things to see, do & craft have been added to the game since 2019 and you’d be flat out rude to ignore it all.

[goodguythatguy]

 

9 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The entirety of return of them, every character rework, every update that’s been done to the game since 2019- all that is Free Updates that instead of releasing as a paid DLC that would separate its players: Klei opted to release for free to everyone as free content updates.

if you took the entirety of everything Klei has been doing each and every month since 2019 you would have your major dlc or game sequel that your wanting.

So so Sooooo many amazing things to see, do & craft have been added to the game since 2019 and you’d be flat out rude to ignore it all.

I don't want to ignore it all. Bizarre Controller Support holding me back, I think.
I bought it all, at least. No one can say I didn't support it. I'd buy another Don't Starve DLC if one was available, even if I'm probably never gonna play it. 

[Just-guy]

6 hours ago, goodguythatguy said:

I guess there's no demand for Don't Starve DLC releases?

It's not that there's no demand but that simply the devs considered the base game as finished and decided to focus on other projects, we got a QoL update this year but it was because a new dev decided to fix problems with the game.

[goodguythatguy]

4 minutes ago, Just-guy said:

It's not that there's no demand but that simply the devs considered the base game as finished and decided to focus on other projects, we got a QoL update this year but it was because a new dev decided to fix problems with the game.

Thanks, that shines some light on the subject for me. Obviously this franchise has a long history, and I'm not aware of decisions that were made or conversations that have been had. I came into this topic mostly ignorant, now I understand a little bit more of the history.