Funeral for Moon Quay

[sudoku]

Lots of cool stuff added. Shame the coolest thing i was most excited for was nerfed so that you dont see it 8/10 times. Its really that simple. The update is good, but i imagine people who are confused as to why people are upset is because they dont really place any value on the raids themselves or at least not as much as the other stuff that was added, which lets be real is the type of stuff that gets added all the time.

Pirate raids were a unique new survival mechanic that has been butchered and fans who were excited that they were finally getting some new survival content - after literal years of waiting, are understandably a bit miffed that this type of content is so easily disposable to the community and also appararently to klei.

[cybers2001]

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Funeral for Moon Quay

We have a term for OP in my culture. It is "drama queen."

[PetulantPansy]

Man you guys are funny. If the cursed trinkets were stuck with you even after you die and revive, you'll have people complain: "oh it's so dumb that I have to sail to an island on the other side of the map to get rid of these stupid trinkets. Why is this so punishing? There has to be a better way to get rid of the trinkets." 

 

"So terrible! Every time I face pirate raid, I will also have to make a trip to the monkey island to free up an inventory slot. Bad game design!"

[Parusoid]

On 7/12/2022 at 12:14 AM, Mike23Ua said:

I’m starting to feel like even the developers at Klei have no idea what kind of game they want the Dont starve franchise to be anymore..

Is it still a survival game, or is it intended to be something else? I even asked them on their Facebook page what kind of game DST is intended to be and I never got a response.

When I play Fortnite I know that the core mode of that game is going to involve jumping from a bus and then solo or as a team trying to be the last left alive. 
And yes Fortnite has many other modes- but the story content, the season pass quests etc all take place in the main mode.

I was really hoping someone at Klei would’ve actually provided insight into what type of game DS and DST are meant to be.. 

Otherwise I feel like we have a case of the resident evil franchise where it started out as one thing- became another thing entirely.. then for several entries couldn’t make its mind up on what it wanted to be before finally realizing that the true fans of the original game wanted it to go back to being that original thing it started out as.

I can say that the more I see updates get Nerfed to the point of becoming mostly a non-threat… the more uncertain I become about what type of game Klei wants to make.

its a sandbox survival

[PetulantPansy]

10 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Also- Being able to remove the trinkets just by dying causes a SLEW of problems the game did NOT have until Klei made this highly dumb decision.. example: I find someone’s fully decked out boat- I then stand on it as Wonkey when they are not around, I eat bad stuff and die: They become Wonkey getting back on their boat. OR- since the florid portal is spawn protected, I leave a circle of these necklaces just outside of the spawn protective area so anyone joining the game losses their protection and becomes Wonkey. OR.. I leave them all at a boss or in a narrow hallway you have no choice but to walk through- such as ruins maze.

Your examples are valid but they are not realistic. I don't understand why you are so fixated on these incredibly niche scenarios and ignore the much broader picture which is more content and more fun game play for all to enjoy. 

1. If it's so easy to unload trinkets, then who even cares if they get monkey bombed in the mid-late game? The person who gets monkey bombed can then just unload the trinkets themselves. It's really not the end of the world like you make it out to be. Such a situation would be funny for a few minutes and would get old quick because the person who gets monkey bombed is actually completely fine. 

2. If anyone joins a world and gets monkey bombed, they'll just leave and find a server where they don't have to play as wonkey. It's really not the end of the world. This would  happen on public servers and no one is really attached to a particular server on day 1 anyways. Besides, there are few people who are willing to put in the effort to sail to monkey island -> kill 10 monkeys -> go back to the portal and kill themselves. 

3. Last example - again it's a moderate annoyance for the person getting monkey bombed but 1. it's unlikely anyone would waste the effort to do this and 2. if it's easy for a troll to unload trinkets, it's just as easy for the person who was bombed to unload them

 

You're really making a small issue into something way more than it actually is. A healthy dosage of monkey business is probably to be expected in a monkey update anyways 

[sudoku]

Can we just forget about raids and curses and get monkey bananza minigames next update

[PetulantPansy]

10 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

It's not even always just griefers imagine someone who likes Wonkey dying at a boss fight alongside a webber with spitters anad nurses or a wortox who loses all his souls for example.

Welp that's part of the curse. Some people want the game to be more challenging right? But then when they are actually presented with a challenge (because fighting with a wonkey on your team presents this exact challenge), they say it's too hard and toss it in the "bad game design, plz fix" bucket. Go figure. 

[Mike23Ua]

Just now, PetulantPansy said:

Welp that's part of the curse. Some people want the game to be more challenging right? But then when they are actually presented with a challenge (because fighting with a wonkey on your team presents this exact challenge), they say it's too hard and toss it in the "bad game design, plz fix" bucket. Go figure. 

Even if DST is a multiplayer game, the challenge should never come from other players skills or lack thereof.

I provided an example of several reasons why getting hit with these necklaces would suck, but allow me to provide another..

WX78 had a fun rework 24/7 infinite Moggles with no durability drain, you can practically LIVE in Caves.. err, that is until you run past a rock with your mighty night vision that had some trinkets hiding behind it and bam your Wonkey without your Night Vision. 
 

YOU might not find it much of a problem to just die and Respawn but to many players I could see this being as annoying as having stage 2 twins of terror randomly choose to spawn on them when they join into a world where someone else has activated the Terrarium.

It just doesn’t make for a fun multiplayer experience, at least not in my opinion.

I “Liked” the original method the curse was handled by just going to Monkey Queen give her a few Cooked Bananas from they very same bushes you can harvest or shovel up and take from her Island to your base, other players couldn’t just ruin your day with their trolling or playing the game poorly.

[PetulantPansy]

5 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Even if DST is a multiplayer game, the challenge should never come from other players skills or lack thereof.

I provided an example of several reasons why getting hit with these necklaces would suck, but allow me to provide another..

WX78 had a fun rework 24/7 infinite Moggles with no durability drain, you can practically LIVE in Caves.. err, that is until you run past a rock with your mighty night vision that had some trinkets hiding behind it and bam your Wonkey without your Night Vision. 

Again you're correct that the challenge shouldn't come from other players, but the actions of other players absolutely affects your experience on the server. Ex. did someone hammer all the pig houses. Did someone kill all the beefalos/goats. Did someone dig up all the grass tufts, did someone activate the terrarium, did someone turn on the moonstorm, did someone eat all the food/use the resources you gathered, etc. 

 

You provide another good example. While you shouldn't have to do things out of your way to just play the game, perhaps this is a lesson to avoid going near suspicious failed survivors that just have a lantern or torch by their skeleton. It goes both ways too. WX with moggles will get killed if he gets monkey bombed, but he can also see much more than your average survivor (without moggles obviously). Other survivors can see less but it's not a death sentence. 

 

I understand your agitation that now you can have "annoying" players mess with your gameplay. But that's literally DST in a nutshell. The skilled players will do all the "right" things and achieve game progression. Meanwhile, other players on the server *may* hinder your progress in a wide variety of ways, but that's what makes DST more fun anyways. You could play singleplayer DS/DST but most of us choose not to  

[Maxposting]

16 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t believe a word you say because if Klei just changed the monkeys into lizard people you’d love everything about the update. 

Explain how would this work please.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, __IvoCZE__ said:

Explain how would this work please.

Well I don’t want to get in trouble for being too far off topic, but I don’t think the forum moderators will mind a little light hearted joking.. DST would NOT be my first encounter with a crew of enemy pirates..

Remember these guys?

https://rare.fandom.com/wiki/Kremling_Krew
 

I’m pretty sure that’s how changing the monkeys into lizard people would work.  

[cybers2001]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I “Liked” the original method the curse was handled by just going to Monkey Queen give her a few Cooked Bananas from they very same bushes you can harvest or shovel up and take from her Island to your base, other players couldn’t just ruin your day with their trolling or playing the game poorly.

Do people no longer troll with far more effective (and easier) means anymore? Like spawning tentacles in your kitchen or a good old-fashioned fire in the base?

[Echsrick]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Well I don’t want to get in trouble for being too far off topic, but I don’t think the forum moderators will mind a little light hearted joking.. DST would NOT be my first encounter with a crew of enemy pirates..

Remember these guys?

https://rare.fandom.com/wiki/Kremling_Krew
 

I’m pretty sure that’s how changing the monkeys into lizard people would work.  

these are crocoddiles, WAY DIFFEREND! and even when they would be lizards, i would hate the fact that there are 5 enemys on a small platform, and thinkin for others, they sure would not like it just because of 1 curse thing, they have to get to the small isle, and get it removed, one way or another, not only that, i would not like it that then lizard people would be made like this, like instead of a good civilation, they are mindless enemys that will annoy you on a small platform, alsol, GET YOUR REPTILES RIGHT!

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, PetulantPansy said:

Welp that's part of the curse. Some people want the game to be more challenging right? But then when they are actually presented with a challenge (because fighting with a wonkey on your team presents this exact challenge), they say it's too hard and toss it in the "bad game design, plz fix" bucket. Go figure. 

It's a slippery slope when making teammates a unintentional hostile force imagine if we got the untweaked hamlet version of wormwood who catches on fire from breathing lightly.

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[h2mk]

On 7/12/2022 at 11:59 AM, Cloakingsumo198 said:

So if you don't want it to be like the beta spawns what are you actually expecting them to do?

Since for the most part I've only ever seen complaints about the loss of a "difficult" encounter and not ways to actually make the encounter better. 

I just hope they add more ways that will effectively cut down on the timer for pirate spawns.

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Arriving on the island, sending out a flare, getting spotted by lookouts, hitting a water trap, or a "frenzied" pirate event.

Literally anything else except messing with the original timer so that way gameplay can actually affect how likely you'll be targeted.

Either by purposely getting caught or making mistakes.

And actually reworking the powder monkies so they make an actual coordinated attack on boats as a group so that they can be kited instead of just tanking them away.

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If they end up being allowed to swim then you'd need to actually target them with your cannons instead of just sinking their whole ship away cause then they could just swim onto your boat for revenge.

Or they'd be allowed to jump off your boat to avoid your attacks while their mates run up to attack it would make more room on the boat to actually kite and focus on just 1 at a time.

They could literally be given bat ai attacking pattern and they would be a way better than them coming as a ball of death.

There is a reason why people don't just allow themselves to get swarmed even when fighting just a few spiders it's not fun or resource efficient.

But that's all just wishful thinking.

the swimming sounds really fun actually!!! ive had monkey pirates grab onto salt rocks a couple times and get stuck, then they'd just sink because of the crash and the cookie cutters and i'd be like lol but itd be cool if they could swim onto your boat after and try stealing it or killing you 

[h2mk]

On 7/11/2022 at 6:52 PM, Mike23Ua said:

Yeah well I judge the games content based on the developer created animated trailers they release for it: and from the trailers the pirate raids are meant to be intimidating and menacing.. in its current form in actual gameplay however you have to intentionally be looking for them and with low RNG Odds.

instead of pirates that are out on the seas doing their own thing (maybe burying or digging up or sailing towards treasure?) that see you and engage- THESE pirates YOU have to sail TOWARDS and ENGAGE YOURSELF..

Does anyone not see how disheartening this is? Especially if your a fan of pirate based games, movies, Tv shows, and other media.

Just change them so the low odds of them spawning can impact the entire ocean (maybe leave some safe zones like boss areas) and it’d be much better.

it's happened to me where i was just out at sea minding my own business (like wilson and wendy were) and a pirate raid came up unexpectedly

[Jwave]

Love the update. Now we have pigking, merm king, monkey queen, spider queen. I cant wait for bunny emperor.

[minespatch]

Only thing I'm miffed at is that lack of a menu announcement quip. I usually love to screencap them and use them later for a future art prompt. Last time I saw one was during the Terraria update, but nothing for this new update. Just "Moon quay released".