Ellilea Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I do not like exploits/big cheese in games so I mostly avoid them all. But there's 1 in ONI I like and use and that's preventing food spoilage. So I made the cheesy deep freezer: 1 tile conveyor chute dropping stuff which is accessible by a sweeper only, which in turn puts some immediate-use stuff in a fridge beside it. I trapped some 800g of chlorine in the tile and locked it up. There should be 0 access of anything there, the food was deep frozen (hydrogen pipe from a cold biome behind it, metal tile to absorb the chill, the standard). I checked it worked great for a while (chilly chlorine became liquid, no problem I figured) and focused on other things, and then I come back there and notice everything's rotting inside the tile. There's polluted oxygen there. Like what? And then I see polluted dirt inside the storage. Like what? How what why did that get there/how did that happen? What did I do wrong and how to avoid that? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, Ellilea said: What did I do wrong Liquid chlorine Even though chlorine (gas) is considered sterile atmosphere, along with carbon dioxide and hydrogen (and steam for some reason), chlorine in liquid form isn't sterile. Actually there is no liquid that is considered sterile, not even ethanol. The moment chlorine liquefied, food started to rot. Rot food produces polluted oxygen and turns to polluted dirt eventually. Rot and polluted dirt off-gas polluted oxygen that deleted any chlorine left. Food in contaminated atmosphere rots even faster so... You saw the result Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellilea Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 Really? I thought even if it turned to liquid it would have the same effect Well **** lol. But also, if it's liquid, there shouldn't be any off-gassing of anything, but it's like the dirt just straight up removed the chlorine then? Makes no sense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Things will off-gas if the atmosphere (liquid or gas) is below 1.8kg so.. 800g was not enough to prevent off-gassing. If something off-gasses inside a liquid but the liquid has nowhere to be displaced to, the liquid gets deleted. It all makes sense... ONI sense You get used to this ONI-ness after some point Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadenSwallow Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 If playing spaced out, consider using depleted uranium metal tile under the fridge for killing germ purposes. Then you don't have to worry as much about the atmosphere liquefying by being able to choose another temperature appropriate gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Or use hydrogen atmosphere. The cold will eventually kill any fp germs, although not as fast as chlorine. With proper care the food shouldn't be contaminated anyway. Me personally, I use a CO2 freezer room and just keep the temp below deep freeze but above liquid CO2 temp. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyonyonyo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Use hydrogen. As ^ said, cools faster and is nearly impervious to liquifection. Literally pump in and forget about it. Unless you connect a supercoolant aquatuner to it but then that is overkill. CO2 suffers the same issues as with chlorine. A little lower liquid point but still close to chlorine and the thermal conductivity is worse. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This is why I only make berry sludge bars Sure the +3 quality may seem low for late game but if you build your rooms right with proper decor you won't need better quality food Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 One thing that you should consider is that at low temperatures, germs die without the aid of chlorine. Feel free to use hyrdogen and everything should be fine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 12 hours ago, sakura_sk said: Actually there is no liquid that is considered sterile, not even ethanol. the opposite is also true, there is no liquid that's "contaminated" If food is submerged in polluted water it's considered a normal atmosphere Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyonyonyo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Neotuck said: This is why I only make berry sludge bars The best food for space and colonies. Just make it on your main base and railgun it to your colonies! Centralized kitchen! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suicide commando Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This is why my infinite storage box for food is filled with 5.5k /tile hydrogen. It won't liquify so no issues with that, it's sterile, and the pressure is high enough that IF somehow something rotted in there, or I dropped something rotten in it ( it got rotten on the conveyor for instance ), it won't offgass and spoil the rest of the food. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1546955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellilea Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 Yeah, thanks, I replaced chlorine with hydrogen and it's been all good since Though I did like my speshial green square. F. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138112-the-one-cheese-i-wanted-to-cook-got-rotten-and-i-just-dont-get-why/#findComment-1547366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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