NERF everyone

[hhh2]

Yes YES, everybody is overpowered. Especially wes, he needs 1 hp max 

[Spino43]

This is one of the biggest "bruh" thread I have seen in a while.

[Peyo33]

Have also a suggestion: if pets are hungry they will try to eat you

 

[SecretPizzaMan]

5 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

Klei make characters compromising by the very definition. Every single downside can be countered in this game with natural methods, and yet klei feel the need to compromise even further by adding character original methods to neglect their supposed weak point.

For exsample: Wanda is supposedly a glass canon, yet one of her perk is aimed specificly at making night armor a valid choice. This thing makes houds deal 1 damage btw. And she also gets invincibility. Wormwood's downside is difficulty with healing, and yet the best healing food still works. A single bee queen kill gives you more healing than 90 potatoes. To top it off, klei desided to add new method of healing with manure and rot just for him. Warly the picky eater dosen't eat raw, yet has portable crockpot. His food variety can be ignored by simply eating all food at once. Wurt the vegan gains extra hunger from food, making it as good as meat. Wortox who has food eating downside just eats souls. Abi loses max hp upgrade when dies, and yet sistern offers rapid gain. You get the point.

Other downsides can't even be called downsides with how trivial they are. I thought that Wolfgang needs a buff but then i thought again and desided that naaah. Just nerfs everyone else and give them REAL downsides.

Exsamples: 

Wanda's upsides are OP as heck, give her brutal downside to compensate. She has age meter not hp, so make her take full damage even in armor. Except for bone armor, thulecite bubble and meaby snurtle shell. There you go - hard to play glass canon. 

Wormwood has easy endless food and easy endless sanity. Make him suffer while restoring hp then. Food dosen't heal him. So no jellybeans. No poop heals either that kills the whole point. Make him work for glands or use batbat. 

Abigail is overpowered. Punish players for letting her die. No instant ressumon, no hp gain speed up. Make Wendy fragile, make her dependable. Reduce her damage. Make her loose sanity with dead abi. Make shadows her weakpoint.  

Make Wurt proper vegan. Make her starve herself like real vegans do. Make eggs unusable in veggie dishes, remove the hunger gain buff. Same to merms. 

Rework Warly. Make him an actual picky eater by stealing ideas from "picky eater" mod. Make him hate food forever untill he eats 10 different dishes. Make him cycle though food instead of just overdosing on meatballs. 

Just make some real downsides to play around with, and not this easy to ignore stuff for casuals and babies. 

So what you want is for Wanda to never be used for a boss fight. Trying to veganize wurt cause you got zero clue what a herbivore is. Reverse the Wendy rework and in exchange make Wendy rely even MORE on abagail, at this point abagail is the character, whenever anyone gonna talk about Wendy they'll just say "How about you pick abagail?". The only half decent idea was the Warly one, and even that is not well thought through.

I was going to reply "Do you even play these characters?" but then thought "Wait, is this the satire onion news article readers always talked about?". So now I'm stuck because this sounds like something a person who has never played a year as either of those characters would say, but maybe that is the intention, after all you were one of the most critical of the Wolfgang rework (though your arguments were pretty flimsy) and one of your takes were that people who liked the rework didn't play Wolfgang in the first place.

Is this satire? Or am I reading too much into it? Someone help, I've fallen into the well again.

[-Variant]

Please this is starting to look... "not healthy".

[Gi-Go]

34 minutes ago, SecretPizzaMan said:

So what you want is for Wanda to never be used for a boss fight. Trying to veganize wurt cause you got zero clue what a herbivore is. Reverse the Wendy rework and in exchange make Wendy rely even MORE on abagail who is now nerfed. The only half decent idea was the Warly one, and even that is not well thought through.

I was going to reply "Do you even play these characters?" but then thought "Wait, is this the satire onion news article readers always talked about?". So now I'm stuck because this sounds like something a person who has never played a year as either of those characters would say, but maybe that is the intention, after all you were one of the most critical of the Wolfgang rework (though your arguments were pretty flimsy) and one of your takes were that people who liked the rework didn't play Wolfgang in the first place.

Is this satire? Or am I reading too much into it? Someone help, I've fallen into the well again.

Not exsactly a satire but nothing to take seriously either. I don't belive klei will ever add challange to this game. Their whole aim is to make this game as casual as possble. So it's just my thoughts on downsides and how meaningless and insignificant they are. I share them for the sake of voicing whatever is on my mind.

I have no clue about balance. Apperanetly without 33% hunger bonus Wurt herself will turn into vegetable. And kiting is impossble even with double range and invincibility. And Wendy is worthless without being able to summon abi right after her death. Good to know, thanks for informing. 

[Peyo33]

No one caught the sarcasm of this topic? 

[SecretPizzaMan]

1 minute ago, Gi-Go said:

Not exsactly a satire but nothing to take seriously either. I don't belive klei will ever add challange to this game. Their whole aim is to make this game as casual as possble. So it's just my thoughts on downsides and how meaningless and insignificant they are I share for the sake of voicing whatever is on my mind.

I have no clue about balance. Apperanetly without 33% hunger bonus Wurt herself will turn into vegetable. And kiting is impossble even with double range and invincibility. And Wendy is worthless without being able to summon abi right after her death. Good to know, thanks for informing. 

I forgotten that wurt had a hunger bonus, maybe if you had clarified in the original post I would've agreed with you. But isn't that like 1 of their only good perks.

Oh and on the kiting, no kiting isn't impossible with double range and invincibility, but you were "proposing" for armor to be completely useless as Wanda, so the only reliable way to use Wanda would be to have 10 health clocks and always stay at young age, basically halving Wandas DPS, thus my point still stands, why use Wanda for a boss fight?

Wendy isn't worthless without abagail, but she ain't good. You were "proposing" to make Wendy so bad at killing a anything like mere butterfly and make abagail 1 pigmen. At that point, Wendy is the dead one, abagail couldn't cope with the lose of their sister that they became their sister and no one ever noticed.

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, SecretPizzaMan said:

I forgotten that wurt had a hunger bonus, maybe if you had clarified in the original post I would've agreed with you. But isn't that like 1 of their only good perks.

Oh and on the kiting, no kiting isn't impossible with double range and invincibility, but you were "proposing" for armor to be completely useless as Wanda, so the only reliable way to use Wanda would be to have 10 health clocks and always stay at young age, basically halving Wandas DPS, thus my point still stands, why use Wanda for a boss fight?

Wendy isn't worthless without abagail, but she ain't good. You were "proposing" to make Wendy so bad at killing a anything like mere butterfly and make abagail 1 pigmen. At that point, Wendy is the dead one, abagail couldn't cope with the lose of their sister that they became their sister and no one ever noticed.

Sorry, I didn't know you didn't know what I was talking about. My bad... i think? 

Wurts perk is making your own kingdom with workers and warriors all that stuff. Like pigman but good. Her hunger bonus is just klei showing pity to people who are afraid of starving cuz they know only how to meatballs. I don't like it, her diet is supposed to be her downside and yet it ends up being an upside? Cool. 

My proposal for Wanda is to be high skill high reward character. I know, blasphemy! Doing bosses as Wanda without taking a single hit is a lot easier than doing same fights with Wes or Wilson. So don't freak out over nothing. Bee queen would be doozy but I didn't say all armor should be useless. Snurtle shell gives immortality to 1 hp characters and I want it to work on Wanda too. See? I'm not a sadist. 

As for Wendy, when are you ever without Abi? Shadow creatures? Big deal. Spear deals axe damage, spike deals spear and sword deals spike. I'm impressed with how sensitive you are. instead of nerfing abi in any way I simply ask for a work-around "downside" that encourages you to keep her alive (which is extremely easy too btw) and yet even that sends fear. 

You guys are soft and squishy. 

[SecretPizzaMan]

55 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Sorry, I didn't know you didn't know what I was talking about. My bad... i think? 

Wurts perk is making your own kingdom with workers and warriors all that stuff. Like pigman but good. Her hunger bonus is just klei showing pity to people who are afraid of starving cuz they know only how to meatballs. I don't like it, her diet is supposed to be her downside and yet it ends up being an upside? Cool. 

My proposal for Wanda is to be high skill high reward character. I know, blasphemy! Doing bosses as Wanda without taking a single hit is a lot easier than doing same fights with Wes or Wilson. So don't freak out over nothing. Bee queen would be doozy but I didn't say all armor should be useless. Snurtle shell gives immortality to 1 hp characters and I want it to work on Wanda too. See? I'm not a sadist. 

As for Wendy, when are you ever without Abi? Shadow creatures? Big deal. Spear deals axe damage, spike deals spear and sword deals spike. I'm impressed with how sensitive you are. instead of nerfing abi in any way I simply ask for a work-around "downside" that encourages you to keep her alive (which is extremely easy too btw) and yet even that sends fear. 

You guys are soft and squishy. 

Maybe it's because I don't understand the degree of the "nerf", please clarify.

[HellHeater]

just play uncompromising mode

[Eughstein]

55 minutes ago, HellHeater said:

just play uncompromising mode

Or event better

Don't play

[PauloDDD]

Basically Wolfgangíng all the characters.

No. One awful rework is enough IMO.

[dryboneS]

Aight wurt looks kinda interesting but you have to admit she doesn't look the greatest

[Eughstein]

Guys even thing you suggest are too compromising

That's how klei should nerf characters:

Wanda-no mors ageless watches, you can't escape getting old, just like in real life

Walter-slingshot now deals 1 damage and woby don't exist

Wurt-merms now will chase you irl if you kill them

Wormwood-if hold torch or stand near any fire object he just starts burning and dies

Wortox-now using soul will spawn deerclop near your base

Warly-vegan

Winona-you need to have enginer phd irl to play as her

Webber-because he's spider now he forgot basic human actions and can't move at all

Wigfrid-always insane and actually can't craft nothing from her crafts

Maxwell-now need to smoke cigare with NFT(Nightmare Fuel and Thulecite) every day or gonna die due to depression

Wes-when crafting balloon there is 50% chance world will regeneate

WX-have always 1 hp

Wickerbottom-forgot how to read

Woodie-lucy is just reskinned axe and woodie have problems with head

Wendy-when using Abigiail there is 50% chance every second that Abigiail will try to kill you and take revenge

 Wolfgang- dumbell is now dumb bell

Willow-don't have any ability and just have torch reskin lighter

Wilson-beard can randomly turn alive and burn base

[GetNerfedOn]

Read my usrrname

[Erineyes7]

Better idea, nerf the players.

 

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This is a joke, do not take it seriously or I swear I'll make another wolfgang thread that derails.