Wortox is too good

[Mike23Ua]

Just remember that Klei said sometime Back ago that Wortox was subject to changes at some point in the future.

Personally I would love to see something like “higher judgement” as in If he isn’t doing enough Naughty Tasks then Krampii will Spawn around him to Mule Kick his horns in.. Despite being an innocent little Imp at the start of his short: He transforms into a soul sucking being that does not want to suck souls but has to..

Currently his Gameplay is a bit Top Tier in my opinion based on how I play the game-

I can Tank Deerclops without needing armor due to his instant heals and ability to get more heals.. sure it will take forever and is risky, but can be done.

Wortox is a GOD when it comes to the constantly on the move Nomad-like Playstyle.

Heals, Food, and Teleportation without having his powers locked behind needing to gather Twigs, Stone, Grass, Gold, Gems & Refine those stone into Cutstone & Refine that grass into Ropes & Gems into Purple Gems and craft a Gym & Dumbell and spend a few moments being idle workout.

Wortox should have deeper gameplay.. perhaps his Sanity should drain based on how many souls he is carrying or how many living creatures he has held captive, Perhaps if he spends to much time chopping wood or exploring without doing naughty things then his own kind will spawn in to “punish” him or something..

But either way, he is a pretty good character until Klei updates him.. and that’s coming from a WENDY Main, who plays on XBOX with extremely limited Soul Hop capabilities..

So yeah  

[. . .]

5 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

nothing op

wortox mains be like then he dont get nerfed in future:

[Dextops]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:48 PM, . . . said:

he has easy heals u can grind butterflies for so much easy heal and teleports and his ability is very flashy and cool, him and wanda are pretty close to p2w characters they're very unbalanced and have so much stuff added to them to make them appear interesting for ppl to buy them more

say sike rn

[HowlVoid]

16 minutes ago, Dextops said:

say sike rn

Sike

[Mr Giggio]

just learn how to play the game

when u learn how to mantain urself healed he will not be someone to bother 

allso a tip once seems way to absurd for you ez heal: day 1, science machine, shovel, blue caps, there we go

[Mike23Ua]

On 1/14/2022 at 12:03 AM, MrSoratori said:

just learn how to play the game

when u learn how to mantain urself healed he will not be someone to bother 

allso a tip once seems way to absurd for you ez heal: day 1, science machine, shovel, blue caps, there we go

This is bad information, shoveling your blue caps makes them no longer Respawn, also Blue Caps have two effects: Healing at the cost of Sanity, and Sanity at the Cost of Healing.

Its nowhere near as OP as carrying around a stack of 20 souls because you killed a few butterflies or bees- Butterflies I will give you: As you’d probably heal with 20 of those as any character except Wigfrid anyway.. but Killing out a nest of bees gives Wortox insane heals.

There is a mod some people on pc made so that small mobs don’t drop souls, this in my humble opinion is pretty stupid: No matter how small the mob is, it still has a soul.. 

Now what SHOULD have been done for Wortox is he had 2-3 different sizes of Soul the larger the soul.. the more effective it is in healing/hunger.

For example killing 6 small bees would equal up to one full sized soul you would get from killing a Spider, Pigman etc..

I think if a Wortox “Nerf” was ever to happen that would be about the only changes that make sense on him.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

53 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I think if a Wortox “Nerf” was ever to happen that would be about the only changes that make sense on him.

not at all

[UbiAnomaly]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Now what SHOULD have been done for Wortox is he had 2-3 different sizes of Soul the larger the soul.. the more effective it is in healing/hunger.

That would just create more inventory bloat (as if there isn't enough of that in DST already).

[Mike23Ua]

58 minutes ago, UbiAnomaly said:

That would just create more inventory bloat (as if there isn't enough of that in DST already).

That’s kind of the point.. characters need to juggle inventory, inventory management plays a vital role in any survival game I have ever played, Klei also seems to Agree: Wigfrid got a bunch of song scrolls, Wendy got Several Potions, Webber got Switcher Doodles, Shoebox etc, Woodie got Totems, Willow got Bernie Dolls & Lighters, Wolfgang got 3 different types of Dumbells: And that’s not even touching on the resources they need in their inventory to CRAFT those things..

Like Feathers, Mourning Glory, Ashes, Seeds, Logs, Monster Meat, Beard Hair, Beefalo Wool, Silk, Twigs, rocks, Cutstone, Gold, Purple Gems, Rope, Wood Planks etc…

Wortox has a one stop souls shop, even WANDA has to deal with more inventory management.

Wes is literally the only “Reworked” character who doesn’t ever have to have any additional crafts inside his inventory to use his “Balloon’o’mancy”

Hes the only character who’s entire power can be placed into a singular inventory slot.

We won’t count Wilson or WX78 because neither of those have been reworked yet.

[UbiAnomaly]

Spoiler

Basically all reasoning as to why inventory management isn't a downside can be seen just by playing the character for a while (barring Wanda, who I agree has a little trouble with inventory).

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wigfrid got a bunch of song scrolls

Only necessary to carry during bosses, and at most 2 or 3.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy got Several Potions

All single use consumables, once again usually only used for bosses.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Webber got Switcher Doodles, Shoebox etc

Once again all single use consumables, crafted and usually immediately given to spiders. The Webby Whistle and Shoebox are only really used when calling spiders from nests to fight something early game before you have a pen containing your army (shoebox also is used with other players to protect them, but that's a negligible use).

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Woodie got Totems

I usually bundle the idols so they don't rot in the late game (so only one inventory space when I do use decide to use them (rarely)), and in the early game you'll rarely use them outside of the goose to rush the lunar island.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Willow got Bernie Dolls & Lighters

I don't know a single Willow player who uses the lighter outside of an early game torch.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wolfgang got 3 different types of Dumbbells

The point of there being 3 types is that there is one for different stages of progression, you will only ever be carrying one.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Like Feathers, Mourning Glory, Ashes, Seeds, Logs, Monster Meat, Beard Hair, Beefalo Wool, Silk, Twigs, rocks, Cutstone, Gold, Purple Gems, Rope, Wood Planks etc…

Why would you carry the materials around for any of the items stated above when you could just craft them beforehand? Even the Kitschy Idols have an 8 days spoiling time, which is enough to craft before you leave base to do whatever it is you're doing and still accomplish it without wasted materials.

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

He's [Wes is] the only character who’s entire power can be placed into a singular inventory slot.

Because he deserves it 

TW: Opinions

[Mr Giggio]

On 1/15/2022 at 6:31 PM, Mike23Ua said:

also Blue Caps have two effects: Healing at the cost of Sanity, and Sanity at the Cost of Healing.

again: just learn how to play the game 
if u cant kite shadows, the easier mob in the whole game, what else? if sanity is that big issue for u so wortox is difficult as well once he always enters insanity zone 

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, MrSoratori said:

again: just learn how to play the game 
if u cant kite shadows, the easier mob in the whole game, what else? if sanity is that big issue for u so wortox is difficult as well once he always enters insanity zone 

Wortox only loses his Sanity when “Eating” or Over-stocking the Souls, it’s kind of hard to Overstock on souls when they stack up to 20.

I personally feel compared to other newer released characters and even Reworks to existing characters after his release: Wortox was the first “DLC” Character so he doesn’t have nearly as much cool fun stuff going for him as Wurt, Wormwood, Walter, Winona, Wanda, Wendy, Webber, or Wes. 

I would love to see more done with Wortox but he is also fine to play as & updates aren’t absolutely needed.

However.. In the same way Klei gave Wurt and Wormwood Rain Immunity perks in RWYS update, I suppose there’s always a chance Wortox got shown some love in some future update as well.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wortox only loses his Sanity when “Eating” or Over-stocking the Souls, it’s kind of hard to Overstock on souls when they stack up to 20.

 

is hard if you dont fight or if you need all the time healing, try to fight hordes of spiders, hounds with multiple people, beequeen and dragonfly with other players, fw, etc. Isnt hard but is something that if you forget you get punished

wortox has a harder time recovering sanity because food only affects him with 1/2 of stats

[Mike23Ua]

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

is hard if you dont fight or if you need all the time healing, try to fight hordes of spiders, hounds with multiple people, beequeen and dragonfly with other players, fw, etc. Isnt hard but is something that if you forget you get punished

wortox has a harder time recovering sanity because food only affects him with 1/2 of stats

I know, I play the heck out of Wortox, I also solo’d Deerclops as him for a group of newer players after they all had died trying, like I legit get game invites from other Xbox players to help them pass a point in the game they can’t beat like “Deerclops”

Now as far as your completely obscure bosses or content that requires you to do something very specific or do something else first before you can do it: Lots of Xbox players don’t even know how to do it, I used to place Hammers beside Beequeen in my worlds and place a sign saying “Free Honey if you hammer this” Technically I wasn’t lying- You can get free Honey, but you also have to know when to stop hammering.

Wortox is really good against Deerclops alone, and also without any armor if you want provided you have the souls for healing, and can dodge most of its attacks.

You have this strange assumption that I don’t fight anything in this game.. and that’s false, if it’s a mob I can visually see it usually gets dealt with, if it’s a boss that brings itself into my business then it’s a dead boss, But if it’s a boss tied to summoning it in some obscure way- I don’t bother..

EOT and Twins of Terror are the Exception: Because even though they have an Obscure way of being summoned: They also play Russian Roulette to pick who they want to attack.. So you May or May not have to deal with them.

Wortox ALSO does not suffer any kind of negative effect when using souls for healing, so even if your about to cap out on 20 souls you can just spam heal (even if your at full health already) to quickly get rid of them.

Wortox also has not been touched since his release when his original announcement said they may do tweaks to him in the future, I am assuming this is because klei was happy with their intent for him, and he is darned fun: But.. he’s also not as fleshed out and in-depth as all those other characters with deeper reworks/mechanics I mentioned either.

And since he technically is Krampii/Klaus bloodline, I would love to see something done with that..

Hell: If Wortox can Blink Teleport, why can’t Krampii/Klaus?

Thats just an example of what I mean.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wortox is really good against Deerclops alone, and also without any armor if you want provided you have the souls for healing, and can dodge most of its attacks.

wes can do it too, deerclops is just a big beefalo with insanity aura

if killing deerclops is how you measure if something is op after atleast 2 years playing the game...

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Now as far as your completely obscure bosses or content that requires you to do something very specific or do something else first before you can do it: Lots of Xbox players don’t even know how to do it, I used to place Hammers beside Beequeen in my worlds and place a sign saying “Free Honey if you hammer this” Technically I wasn’t lying- You can get free Honey, but you also have to know when to stop hammering.

so lets nerf things because noobs dont know how to play the game yet, As logical as always

32 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Hell: If Wortox can Blink Teleport, why can’t Krampii/Klaus?

krampii leave with their sack so tecnically they can travel throw space and i dont think they are related

but sure, wortox lore has a lot of plot holes but that isnt related to balance

[Mr Giggio]

15 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

is hard if you dont fight or if you need all the time healing, try to fight hordes of spiders, hounds with multiple people, beequeen and dragonfly with other players, fw, etc. Isnt hard but is something that if you forget you get punished

wortox has a harder time recovering sanity because food only affects him with 1/2 of stats

right? his statement just shows he doesnt play wortox cuz i barely live sane playin as him
and its not just cuz overload, its more cuz hunger efficiency is better eatin souls than actually food 

but hounds, spiders and bats, sometimes even frogs can overload me and yes it is a thing unless u just play it safe and the reward of that playstyle its not a thing to acuse wortox to be too good

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, MrSoratori said:

right? his statement just shows he doesnt play wortox cuz i barely live sane playin as him
and its not just cuz overload, its more cuz hunger efficiency is better eatin souls than actually food 

but hounds, spiders and bats, sometimes even frogs can overload me and yes it is a thing unless u just play it safe and the reward of that playstyle its not a thing to acuse wortox to be too good

Dude.. if your eating just souls your playing Wortox wrong, you need a healthy mix of real food & souls, his Sanity isn’t hard to manage either as long as you know multiple sanity restoration methods, He also only loses sanity when EATING the Souls so you can just Waste them all on Healing (you can Also Use them for healing when already at full Health just to get them out your Inventory) Soul Hops don’t use Sanity so feel free to waste a few just teleporting around too if souls are a problem.

Unlike characters who simply can’t eat certain foods at all- Wortox can eat everything, and with less penalty than Warly and his Picky Eater habit.

Meatballs, Meaty Stew, 2 Nice Souls- Rinse & repeat.. 

Wortox is one of my favorite characters to play as and that’s even with his limited soul hop capabilities the Console versions have.

BUT.. Wortox is not as fleshed out as new characters are either.. his entire power stacks into a singular inventory slot and that singular inventory slot can Heal, provide food & Teleportation.

Compared to say Wolfgang who’s powers are tied behind needing to gather resources for Dumbells and then pumping them to get Mighty and THEN his powers unlock in being able to throw Dumbells and that very low % chance thing he does to finish chopping/mining in one hit.

Wortox will end up being the only character in the entire game without a crafting tab (and no Idc that other characters don’t have their own crafting tab.. if they have their own exclusive craftables… they should have been in their own exclusive tab anyway.)

[Auhrer]

23 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I know, I play the heck out of Wortox, I also solo’d Deerclops as him for a group of newer players after they all had died trying, like I legit get game invites from other Xbox players to help them pass a point in the game they can’t beat like “Deerclops”

Now as far as your completely obscure bosses or content that requires you to do something very specific or do something else first before you can do it: Lots of Xbox players don’t even know how to do it, I used to place Hammers beside Beequeen in my worlds and place a sign saying “Free Honey if you hammer this” Technically I wasn’t lying- You can get free Honey, but you also have to know when to stop hammering.

Wortox is really good against Deerclops alone, and also without any armor if you want provided you have the souls for healing, and can dodge most of its attacks.

You have this strange assumption that I don’t fight anything in this game.. and that’s false, if it’s a mob I can visually see it usually gets dealt with, if it’s a boss that brings itself into my business then it’s a dead boss, But if it’s a boss tied to summoning it in some obscure way- I don’t bother..

EOT and Twins of Terror are the Exception: Because even though they have an Obscure way of being summoned: They also play Russian Roulette to pick who they want to attack.. So you May or May not have to deal with them.

Wortox ALSO does not suffer any kind of negative effect when using souls for healing, so even if your about to cap out on 20 souls you can just spam heal (even if your at full health already) to quickly get rid of them.

Wortox also has not been touched since his release when his original announcement said they may do tweaks to him in the future, I am assuming this is because klei was happy with their intent for him, and he is darned fun: But.. he’s also not as fleshed out and in-depth as all those other characters with deeper reworks/mechanics I mentioned either.

And since he technically is Krampii/Klaus bloodline, I would love to see something done with that..

Hell: If Wortox can Blink Teleport, why can’t Krampii/Klaus?

Thats just an example of what I mean.

You look like you're joking or joking or something. Say something is op to kill deerclops, anyone can kill deerclops easily and still make fun of him with any character. In my first week of Dont Starve, when I started playing and was learning I had already done almost everything in the game and killed all the bosses. The problem with people is that they are afraid. They are afraid to evolve and try. I can do everything in the game easily from Wes, I've done it with all characters and the easiest is Wendy But still it doesn't matter. All characters are easy, the game itself is easy. Anyone who says Wortox is op is bad at the game and doesn't know how to play it right. Wortox becomes ineffective and useless in the game if compared to other characters, there are several other characters that do everything faster and better than Wortox.If I were to rush the game and do everything as fast as possible to finish it for sure this wouldn't be Wortox. I have and I've played with all characters, and I've finished with all of them Wortox is only for noobs who are killing bees and stays at the base healing noobs friends.

What klei should do is create a hard mode in the game where he changes the attacks of the bosses and makes everything unpredictable... Change the world, the monsters, new bosses and new maps, an expert or master mode Just like in terraria... And don't nerf characters.. because the game itself is easy with any character

[Mr Giggio]

9 hours ago, Auhrer said:

Wortox is only for noobs who are killing bees and stays at the base healing noobs friends

yo calm down xD

[ArubaroBeefalo]

11 hours ago, Auhrer said:

In my first week of Dont Starve, when I started playing and was learning I had already done almost everything in the game and killed all the bosses

without guides? just curious

[Coronel Ghadler]

2 hours ago, MrSoratori said:

yo calm down xD

Noob = novice, beginner, or who doesn't know how to play

he is not cursing.

[Auhrer]

32 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

without guides? just curious

I researched and looked on the wiki, how to summon the boss etc.. about killing and fighting it was easy to find the pattern, I understood that the game had patterns, attack 1 time and retreat, ok I didn't take damage. attacks 2 times and back off. ok I didn't take damage again, I attack 3 times and I take damage, ok I understand that I have to attack only twice. The only thing I was researching was what an item did and etc and what bosses there were in the game. of course i read a lot on wiki

[Coronel Ghadler]

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[Castiliano]

I have other one word:

NO