mathmanican Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 hours ago, nakomaru said: completely evaporate with a higher mass than themselves, creating mass. Mwhahahaha. It looks like you'll have this mass duplicator perfected before I even have time to open the game. Definitely something I'll happily help campaign to eliminate if it remains longer than Monday. FYI, I love the new rank, "most edits." I've also loved your icon progression over the years. Should we post this on the update threads, or submit a bug report, or keep it quiet and enjoy the nice mass duplicator. Hmm... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1400921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 @nakomaru, I have my valves set at 10g/s, and each hydrosensor shuts the vent next to it at .1kg/s (so 100g - smallest possible). The valves are not open all the time, so I'm using less than 24kg/cycle water (though occasionally I do loose 10kg to refill when a tile drops below 1000kg, every few cycles it happens). I keep hitting around 310-315kg/cycle oxygen (so right on par with your 312ish from your first test). Not sure how you got 495kg O2 in a single cycle (though you didn't say it was a single cycle, so no worries). If we could set the hydrosensor lower that 0.1kg, we could get a higher multiplier with closer vents and more sensors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, mathmanican said: @nakomaru, I have my valves set at 10g/s, and each hydrosensor shuts the vent next to it at .1kg/s (so 100g - smallest possible). The valves are not open all the time, so I'm using less than 24kg/cycle water (though occasionally I do loose 10kg to refill when a tile drops below 1000kg, every few cycles it happens). I keep hitting around 310-315kg/cycle oxygen (so right on par with your 312ish from your first test). Not sure how you got 495kg O2 in a single cycle (though you didn't say it was a single cycle, so no worries). If we could set the hydrosensor lower that 0.1kg, we could get a higher multiplier with closer vents and more sensors. Nice! That's really efficient. There's some variation of course, but in my final build I originally got 395 polluted oxygen in one cycle (oxygen generated in report divided by 0.9). There were no changes since then, but I came back after a while on super speed and it was producing more and consuming less, giving me around the current numbers. Basically, variation, the effects of super speed, maybe some extra time needed to stabilize, and calculating PO2 rather than O2 should account for the differences. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, nakomaru said: really efficient In hopes of preventing things from ever needing to be refilled via the 10kg backup, I swapped to 30g/s flow, and counted the number of seconds each vent was open over a cycle (I missed a few seconds, but this is close). It averages out to somewhere between a constant 15-16g/s flow, but the larger flow will prevent the large 10kg backfill events from happening. There was 342kg O2 produced that cycle, or about 380kg PO2. That means around 38kg PW generates 380kg PO2 (so x10). I like the 10g/s option, but the backfilling of 10kg chunks of water happens more frequently. I guess I could test it on ultra speed for 50 cycles and compare, but nah... The x10 rate seems to be a pretty decent benchmark that agrees with both our findings. Thanks for the fun. I enjoyed testing this contraption. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
misotoma Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 So is it normal for Klei to fix this or is this the safe route we should all go now? Because it seems that Klei WANTS us to do this.. other methods or producing oxygen are quite.. disappointing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, misotoma said: So is it normal for Klei to fix this or is this the safe route we should all go now? Because it seems that Klei WANTS us to do this.. other methods or producing oxygen are quite.. disappointing. Polluted water evaporation has long been a normal method for producing oxygen, so I'm certain it will stay in the game. This new bug/exploit is surely not intended, and they have a history of fixing matter creation bugs. I'm sure nobody knows how long we get to play with it though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 Did some extended tests at superspeed. Can't beat the 10x multiplier, and 30g/s valves work best for this layout too. Valves at 25g/s for 17 cycles: 56.1kg PW per cycle used, 516kg PO2 per cycle produced. Valves at 30g/s for 11 cycles: 51.5kg PW per cycle used, 516kg PO2 per cycle produced. Valves at 35g/s for 21 cycles: 52.9kg PW per cycle used, 503kg PO2 per cycle produced. Valves at 50g/s for 17 cycles: 53.9kg PW per cycle used, 503kg PO2 per cycle produced. Spoiler begin cycle 208 with 4969.6kg in reservoir, valves at 30g/s Cycle 208: 430.2kg O2 produced Cycle 209: 420.8kg O2 produced Cycle 210: 420.0kg O2 produced Cycle 211: 423.7kg O2 produced Cycle 212: 433.8kg O2 produced Cycle 213: 422.5kg O2 produced Cycle 214: 397.9kg O2 produced Cycle 215: 454.3kg O2 produced Cycle 216: 422.0kg O2 produced Cycle 217: 417.3kg O2 produced Cycle 218: 422.6kg O2 produced Cycle 219: 443.7kg O2 produced end cycle 219 with 4403.2kg in reservoir, change to 50g/s valves Cycle 220: 460.3kg O2 produced Cycle 221: 459.7kg O2 produced Cycle 222: 430.5kg O2 produced Cycle 223: 474.1kg O2 produced Cycle 224: 451.5kg O2 produced Cycle 225: 475.5kg O2 produced Cycle 226: 481.6kg O2 produced Cycle 227: 408.6kg O2 produced Cycle 228: 488.5kg O2 produced Cycle 229: 446.0kg O2 produced Cycle 230: 448.1kg O2 produced Cycle 231: 446.0kg O2 produced Cycle 232: 425.8kg O2 produced Cycle 233: 466.0kg O2 produced Cycle 234: 439.5kg O2 produced Cycle 235: 470.0kg O2 produced Cycle 236: 421.8kg O2 produced End cycle 236 with 3486.9kg in reservoir, switch to 25g/s Cycle 237: 422.9kg O2 produced Cycle 238: 503.3kg O2 produced Cycle 239: 418.1kg O2 produced Cycle 240: 442.6kg O2 produced Cycle 241: 467.2kg O2 produced Cycle 242: 444.9kg O2 produced Cycle 243: 446.5kg O2 produced Cycle 244: 465.6kg O2 produced Cycle 245: 472.5kg O2 produced Cycle 246: 480.8kg O2 produced Cycle 247: 489.2kg O2 produced Cycle 248: 445.8kg O2 produced Cycle 249: 481.7kg O2 produced Cycle 250: 425.9kg O2 produced Cycle 251: 474.2kg O2 produced Cycle 252: 461.1kg O2 produced Cycle 253: 477.9kg O2 produced End cycle 253 with 2532.6 kg water in reservoir. switch to 35g/s valves Cycle 254: 471.4kg O2 produced Cycle 255: 451.3kg O2 produced Cycle 256: 438.8kg O2 produced Cycle 257: 458.3kg O2 produced Cycle 258: 442.7kg O2 produced Cycle 259: 421.5kg O2 produced Cycle 260: 455.8kg O2 produced Cycle 261: 434.8kg O2 produced Cycle 262: 405.7kg O2 produced Cycle 263: 449.1kg O2 produced Cycle 264: 459.1kg O2 produced Cycle 265: 464.0kg O2 produced Cycle 266: 464.5kg O2 produced Cycle 267: 466.2kg O2 produced Cycle 268: 462.9kg O2 produced Cycle 269: 483.2kg O2 produced Cycle 270: 448.2kg O2 produced Cycle 271: 484.0kg O2 produced Cycle 272: 443.2kg O2 produced Cycle 273: 466.4kg O2 produced Cycle 274: 441.0kg O2 produced End cycle 274 with 1110.4kg in reservoir Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRup Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 hours ago, nakomaru said: I'm sure nobody knows how long we get to play with it though. Even if fixed, this build won't suddenly fall into disrepair. It's something I'd call added value, if anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 hours ago, misotoma said: other methods or producing oxygen are quite.. disappointing This would be perhaps the biggest reason to kill the bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
misotoma Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Big on @mathmanican for the hydro sensors.. would've taken me a while to implement them lol. I'll try this in a survival run soon enough. Seems fun.. hope it won't get fixed in a while. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 hours ago, mathmanican said: 13 hours ago, misotoma said: other methods or producing oxygen are quite.. disappointing This would be perhaps the biggest reason to kill the bug. I´m I the only one just thinking about the implication that duplicants can (finally) selfsustain their oxygen need. [I just mess with the old ways of torture to increase the (polluted) water yield of my duplicants, maybe we can produce enough to cover food consumption aswell^^] Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/124252-massive-change-to-pw-tile-off-gassing-not-bottled/page/2/#findComment-1401462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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