Terra Firma Tamper Landscaping addition poll

[chirsg]

More additions to the terrafirmatamper. If you would like it, vote yes. If you don't like it, explain why in the comments and try to explain why you're not wrong.

[Juny Pear]

Honestly that doesn't sound like too bad of an idea. More options for long term worlds to get different things would be welcomed.
Only thing would be having to come up with craft recipies that make sense.

[Well-met]

only if they're extremely expensive.

[Juny Pear]

2 minutes ago, Well-met said:

only if they're extremely expensive.

wouldnt that just make crafting them unnecessarily lengthy?

 

[Well-met]

11 minutes ago, Freshness said:

wouldnt that just make crafting them unnecessarily lengthy?

 

do you want entire biomes filled with grass tufts by day 30?

[Juny Pear]

3 minutes ago, Well-met said:

do you want entire biomes filled with grass tufts by day 30?

You can't even get the terra firma tamper that easily.
You're gonna have to get to the ruins, make a star caller, go to the moonstone, do the event there, then deconstruct the mooncaller you get using a deconstaff and THEN you activate the archives so you can get the recipe.
That is already a lot of steps just to craft grass tufts, saplings and berrybushes if you ask me and I dont think making the individual recipies more complicated helps this.

Besides, we're talking about grass tufts here.
I don't think anybody is gonna go out of their way to get the terra firma tamper before day 30 just so they can have grass, there's already hundreds of tufts out there, waiting to be dug up by a shovel.

[Well-met]

2 minutes ago, Freshness said:

You can't even get the terra firma tamper that easily.
You're gonna have to get to the ruins, make a star caller, go to the moonstone, do the event there, then deconstruct the mooncaller you get using a deconstaff and THEN you activate the archives so you can get the recipe.
That is already a lot of steps just to craft grass tufts, saplings and berrybushes if you ask me and I dont think making the individual recipies more complicated helps this.

many people can clear the ruins in days so I doubt it'd be any different for the archive.

the plants are too powerful to be in infinite supply.

If you're looking for long-term investment then you shouldn't dig plants at all to ensure they don't get diseased.

[Ohan]

i voted yes because i wouldnt mind this really but personally i would prefer those things to be tradable by a traveling npc that comes by every spring or something (akin to yaarctopus) (Bunny king?!), or added to the Merm King loot table as rewards for hard to catch fish etc

[Juny Pear]

4 minutes ago, Well-met said:

many people can clear the ruins in days so I doubt it'd be any different for the archive.

the plants are too powerful to be in infinite supply.

If you're looking for long-term investment then you shouldn't dig plants at all to ensure they don't get diseased.

So just because ruins rushing exists, you want the recipies to be expensive and annoying to craft?
I genuinely don't see people filling entire biomes with plants just because it is an option, that seems so overkill it likely won't happen ever.
And lastly, not only do most players disable disease anyways, not digging plants just for resources seems inefficient anyways because youre gonna have to hike through every biome just to get your basic stock of resources together, which will run out quickly anyways.
All of this isn't even factoring in wickerbottom and her books which make this whole discussion needless anyways if we only consider players wanting to get tons of resources and not stuff like basebuilding, decor and the such.

I said anyways way too often.

[Well-met]

7 minutes ago, Freshness said:

not digging plants just for resources seems inefficient anyways because youre gonna have to hike through every biome just to get your basic stock of resources together, which will run out quickly anyways.

that's literally the one compromise of digging plants though.

Many people don't seem to understand disease exists so players can't just transplant the entire world in their backyard for free. It's deliberate design by klei.

also spiky bushes are under rated.

[Juny Pear]

1 minute ago, Well-met said:

that's literally the one compromise of digging plants though.

Many people don't seem to understand disease exists so people can't just transplant the entire world in their backyard for free. It's deliberate design by klei.

the one compromise.
besides having to refertilize them every few harvests, having to make sure theyre protected by a flingo for summer, making sure berries have a setup to prevent gobblers from stealing, penning up grass tufts so grass gekkos dont escape should they spawn
Not to mention that in preventing people from setting up many plants they just make gathering resources all the more tedious than it already is. Sure you prevent people from hogging all the plants this way, but not only will almost nobody do that regardless, all this does in the end is having a mechanic in the game that makes a task that is already super long and boring, namely gathering basic resources you already need a lot of, even more tedious because you either dont dig any plants and go around several biomes for basic supplies you always need, or you shovel up all your plants every 50 days because otherwise the game just kills your entire foundation of resources.
And all of this is without even mentioning that being able to craft plants like this at the terra firma tamper would still mean you have to plant them, and thus they would still get diseased, so I don't understand what the point in making them expensive would be.
If you just want an infinite amount of resources very easily, play as wickerbottom and use your book, theres no need to get all the grass in the world.

[Well-met]

bringing up wickerbottom is pointless as we all know she needs a rework.

[Juny Pear]

I'm just gonna drop this discussion here, I don't want this poor guy's comments on his poll to only consist of a discussion which didn't even need to happen tbh.

Just now, Well-met said:

bringing up wickerbottom is pointless as we all know she needs a rework.

Okay buddy. Sure.

Guess my argument is invalid.

You win.

[Well-met]

Just now, Freshness said:

I'm just gonna drop this discussion here, I don't want this poor guy's comments on his poll to only consist of a discussion which didn't even need to happen tbh.

we're very much on-topic here, what's troubling you?

[Juny Pear]

Just now, Well-met said:

we're very much on-topic here, what's troubling you?

We're having a discussion about things being expensive and people digging all resources and how having easy renewable access to resources would be bad because you can access resources, on a poll about wether people just want berrybushes and such craftable at the terra firma tamper.

Idk, this just seems sort of weird to talk about stuff like disease and renewable plants using a structure thats already not easy to get, when all this guy wanted to know is wether people would like to see it or not.
Not just that but I feel like not many would want to participate in this sort of discussion so I'd rather not go on with this.

[Brubs]

Probably not. It's name is very specific so it wouldnt make sense if it could make berry bushes or something of the sort. However, i would like a new recipe like a disease cure. It could be a serum maybe (similar to bucket of poop) which permanently prevents replanted berries, saplings and tufts to ever suffer disease once applied.

Since this ancient civilization was so ahead of time they could have known of Disease and had already discovered the cure for it.

Idk just random thoughts

[Juny Pear]

Just now, Brubs said:

Probably not. It's name is very specific so it wouldnt make sense if it could make berry bushes or something of the sort. However, i would like a new recipe like a disease cure. It could be a serum maybe (similar to bucket of poop) which permanently prevents replanted berries, saplings and tufts to ever suffer disease once applied.

Since this ancient civilization was so ahead of time they could have known of Disease and had already discovered the cure for it.

Idk just random thoughts

That sounds like a nice idea actually!

 

[Stardust42]

Basic resources are finite and susceptible to disease for a reason, after all this is a *survival* game, and if all basic resources would be completely unlimited, it would loose that tag. I don't think the terra firma tamper should allow you to build those resources. 

[Juny Pear]

24 minutes ago, Kaos42 said:

Basic resources are finite and susceptible to disease for a reason, after all this is a *survival* game, and if all basic resources would be completely unlimited, it would loose that tag. I don't think the terra firma tamper should allow you to build those resources. 

Actually all resources are unlimited.
They regrow after a while.

[Maxil20]

3 minutes ago, Freshness said:

Actually all resources are unlimited.
They regrow after a while.

This only applies to endless/wilderness worlds. In survival, they can’t grow period. 
 

It’s the main reason why I swapped from survival to endless, in addition to the fact I really dislike the 2 minute timer for reviving 

[Juny Pear]

Oh right, I keep forgetting about that because it seems like something that should be consistent between the different modes.

I still don't really see how renewable resources are all that bad for dst though.
I mean yes it's a survival game, but that doesn't mean it has to be limited in a lot of areas.

[chirsg]

I'm fine with it being expensive. If it takes 100 ice and 100 berries to create 1 juicy berry bush for the sake of punishing the player for losing one, fine. I'd love to use them to decorate with. 

Bringing up wickerbottom to support this idea is valid. She can farm up so much grass or twigs from just 10 of each plant. 
Even if her rework comes, there will still be ways to achieve this if they don't eliminate her horticulture book.

I'm an idiot for not adding different answers to the poll to state "Yes, and I know that plants don't regrow in survival" and "No, and I know that plants don't regrow in survival" Because there is a lot of current misinformation when it comes to plants regrowing in survival.

This has got to be the worst thing about this community in general. The amount of BS that gets passed around as gospel.

I made this poll with a bias reserved for the yes option. I have to exercise my correct bias here too; people who voted no are out of touch and I hope they know it.

[Juny Pear]

8 minutes ago, chirsg said:

This has got to be the worst thing about this community in general. The amount of BS that gets passed around as gospel.

That and a bunch of people insisting their playstyle is the right and only one, which I see a lot as well.

[Well-met]

10 minutes ago, chirsg said:

I'm fine with it being expensive. If it takes 100 ice and 100 berries to create 1 juicy berry bush for the sake of punishing the player for losing one, fine. I'd love to use them to decorate with. 

Bringing up wickerbottom to support this idea is valid. She can farm up so much grass or twigs from just 10 of each plant. 
Even if her rework comes, there will still be ways to achieve this if they don't eliminate her horticulture book.

I'm an idiot for not adding different answers to the poll to state "Yes, and I know that plants don't regrow in survival" and "No, and I know that plants don't regrow in survival" Because there is a lot of current misinformation when it comes to plants regrowing in survival.

This has got to be the worst thing about this community in general. The amount of BS that gets passed around as gospel.

I made this poll with a bias reserved for the yes option. I have to exercise my correct bias here too; people who voted no are out of touch and I hope they know it.

every single take in this post is outrageous

are you okay?

[Juny Pear]

8 minutes ago, Well-met said:

every single take in this post is outrageous

are you okay? 

Saying every single take here is outrageous seems like an overstatement not gonna lie.

Though the first and last one might be a bit far.

Asking people if they are okay though just for bringing their arguments seems unnecessarily rude to me though.