pincha peppernut spoiling too fast

[aquatic]

hello.

i have my pincha peppernuts on the floor in a room, both sterile and refrigerated, but it is spoiling much much faster than all the other foods in the same conditions.

is anyone else having this problem?

[ExEvolution]

Different foods have different spoil rates

Pincha Peppernut spoil time: 1200s

Lettuce spoil time: 1200s

Meal Lice spoil time: 2400s

Sleet Wheat Grain spoil time: 4800s

 

In a sterile environment such a room of CO2 or Chlorine Gas, the food will never spoil. Add auto sweepers and shipping rails and move all food from the grow room into a sterile room.

 

More info here: https://oni-assistant.com/database/foods

[KittenIsAGeek]

2 hours ago, aquatic said:

hello.

i have my pincha peppernuts on the floor in a room, both sterile and refrigerated, but it is spoiling much much faster than all the other foods in the same conditions.

is anyone else having this problem?

If your pincha peppernuts are spoiling, then they aren't sterile or refrigerated.  Check your gas overlay. If there is oxygen or polluted oxygen near your peppernuts, they will spoil.  Also check the temperature of the nuts themselves.  The floor may be cold, but pinchas grow in a hot biome.

[aquatic]

i've worded this wrong. i mean that the freshness percentage of the pincha peppernuts decays much faster than the rest of the food items, even in a sterile, refrigerated room, with no rogue gasses like oxygen or polluted oxygen. i'm noticing that the decay percentage seems to be close to the lettuce that are in the same condition with sterile/refrigerated rooms, so it might be that.

i've checked the peppernut temperatures in the properties tab, but it seems to match up with the temperature of the room. its possible the decay occurred before the peppernut became cold like in the storage room, but i will have to check

good input, thanks. : )

[Yunru]

5 minutes ago, aquatic said:

i mean that the freshness percentage of the pincha peppernuts decays much faster than the rest of the food items, even in a sterile, refrigerated room

Which is impossible: The sterile atmosphere halts all decay.

[gabberworld]

30 minutes ago, Yunru said:

Which is impossible: The sterile atmosphere halts all decay.

yeah correct, i have allot meat in map at sterile atmosphere where it shows 100% fresh

[aquatic]

6 hours ago, Yunru said:

Which is impossible: The sterile atmosphere halts all decay.

then my game must be bugged. there are some foods in my sterile/refrigerated room that are stale. with all cooking and farming buildings within range of an auto sweeper that delivers the food to the room, there shouldnt be any decay, at least after it gets to the room, as it could decay during transit on the rails.

it probably is bugged to, because i saw some meat from dreckos just on the ground in an environment with chlorine gas remain 100% fresh for up to 1000 cycles or at least many hundred until i expanded there, and i wasnt sure if it even was refrigerated. i tried with chlorine as well but i soon saw that the decay was continuing after i checked in a while.  

[TheMule]

Do you have pictures with normal, gas and temp layers of your refrigerated room?

[aquatic]

21 hours ago, TheMule said:

Do you have pictures with normal, gas and temp layers of your refrigerated room?

ive since moved the pincha peppernuts to a room with carbon dioxide instead of hydrogen, waiting to see if the different gas matters

[gabberworld]

14 minutes ago, aquatic said:

ive since moved the pincha peppernuts to a room with carbon dioxide instead of hydrogen, waiting to see if the different gas matters

what about also in chlorine ?, i see allot my meat is at there

[Yunru]

Chlorine, hydrogen and co2 all provide sterile atmospheres, and I think natural gas does too. 

Somewhat tempted to say as long as it's not oxygen, polluted or otherwise, it'll be sterile. 

[gabberworld]

probably best is vacuum  as you not need worry about any gas in early game

[aquatic]

5 hours ago, gabberworld said:

probably best is vacuum  as you not need worry about any gas in early game

i tried vacuum in earlier cycles, but there was still decay

[gabberworld]

6 hours ago, aquatic said:

i tried vacuum in earlier cycles, but there was still decay

you used what material for liquid lock? polluted water for example generates polluted oxygen.

 
 

 

[KittenIsAGeek]

7 hours ago, aquatic said:

i tried vacuum in earlier cycles, but there was still decay

There should be no decay in vacuum.  Are you using some mods that may be affecting food decay rates?  Because, really, you can put food in CO2 or Chlorine at any temperature and it won't spoil. Ever.  Or you can put food at frozen temperatures and it won't spoil.  If you're doing both and its still spoiling, then something isn't right.

[aquatic]

9 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

There should be no decay in vacuum.  Are you using some mods that may be affecting food decay rates?  Because, really, you can put food in CO2 or Chlorine at any temperature and it won't spoil. Ever.  Or you can put food at frozen temperatures and it won't spoil.  If you're doing both and its still spoiling, then something isn't right.

no mods, just the game.

12 hours ago, gabberworld said:

you used what material for liquid lock? polluted water for example generates polluted oxygen.

 

 
 

 

using super coolant for the lock

[KittenIsAGeek]

Can you post your save file?  Its really weird that you have stuff decaying in sterile conditions.

[aquatic]

On 10/18/2020 at 12:41 PM, KittenIsAGeek said:

Can you post your save file?  Its really weird that you have stuff decaying in sterile conditions.

Bustling Cesspool SAVE.sav

food zones are the pink areas with all the hydrogen, theres one near the top of the base, by the geysers

On 10/17/2020 at 3:08 AM, gabberworld said:

what about also in chlorine ?, i see allot my meat is at there

ive tried that some thousand cycles ago, but some food and cooking ingredients would still decay, same with a vacuum

[gabberworld]

3 hours ago, aquatic said:

Bustling Cesspool SAVE.sav 37.15 MB · 1 download

food zones are the pink areas with all the hydrogen, theres one near the top of the base, by the geysers

ive tried that some thousand cycles ago, but some food and cooking ingredients would still decay, same with a vacuum

you food  had before 100% at there?

maybe its game bug, instead for look in what gas the food is, it looks what temperature room have, accounting to wiki

those both matters

https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Ration_Box

 

[KittenIsAGeek]

4 hours ago, aquatic said:

food zones are the pink areas with all the hydrogen, theres one near the top of the base, by the geysers

Loaded up your game and targeted a ration box with all different kinds of food in it and watched for several cycles.

The food isn't decaying while in the sterile environment.  The decay is happening before delivery.  Specifically, the lettuce is shipped from the furthest away.  More than half of its trip is at high temperature, so it doesn't start cooling down until almost at its destination.  This really isn't much of a problem most of the time, as it appears lettuce arrives at about 97% fresh.  As far as I can tell, all the boxes on the left side of your cold hydrogen room hold Lettuce at 97% fresh.  So your sterile environment is working, as those boxes have likely been full for many, many cycles.

 

Now, the problem of the peppernut, since that is what your OP is about.   First, they are shipped on the same rails as the lettuce -- which isn't really a problem, I'm mostly mentioning it to show the path it takes is the same as lettuce.  Most of your peppers appear to reach the sterile gas and refrigeration at around 98% to 97% fresh.  However, two of the Pincha Pepperplants are not in range of your sweepers.  This means they wait on dupe activity to get moved to the cold environment.  Again, this isn't normally a problem -- however depending on timing, they could sit there for a lot longer before getting moved.  This gives the appearance that your Pinchas are decaying, because they don't have a uniform "freshness" in your refrigerated area.

As far as I can tell (my computer only ran your map for a couple of cycles before running out of memory and crashing), none of the food you have stored in your sterile gas refrigerated area is decaying. At all.  Everything in there appears to be staying at the same freshness.  The decay is happening before the food arrives in refrigeration.

[gabberworld]

by default if you room temperature is very low like you have at there -125, it should not really matter what gas is at there, expect polluted oxygen..

also by looking your output_log.txt, it seems like your map have some issues in with Storage Bin

 

[aquatic]

4 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

Loaded up your game and targeted a ration box with all different kinds of food in it and watched for several cycles.

The food isn't decaying while in the sterile environment.  The decay is happening before delivery.  Specifically, the lettuce is shipped from the furthest away.  More than half of its trip is at high temperature, so it doesn't start cooling down until almost at its destination.  This really isn't much of a problem most of the time, as it appears lettuce arrives at about 97% fresh.  As far as I can tell, all the boxes on the left side of your cold hydrogen room hold Lettuce at 97% fresh.  So your sterile environment is working, as those boxes have likely been full for many, many cycles.

 

Now, the problem of the peppernut, since that is what your OP is about.   First, they are shipped on the same rails as the lettuce -- which isn't really a problem, I'm mostly mentioning it to show the path it takes is the same as lettuce.  Most of your peppers appear to reach the sterile gas and refrigeration at around 98% to 97% fresh.  However, two of the Pincha Pepperplants are not in range of your sweepers.  This means they wait on dupe activity to get moved to the cold environment.  Again, this isn't normally a problem -- however depending on timing, they could sit there for a lot longer before getting moved.  This gives the appearance that your Pinchas are decaying, because they don't have a uniform "freshness" in your refrigerated area.

As far as I can tell (my computer only ran your map for a couple of cycles before running out of memory and crashing), none of the food you have stored in your sterile gas refrigerated area is decaying. At all.  Everything in there appears to be staying at the same freshness.  The decay is happening before the food arrives in refrigeration.

thats probably why, phew. ty : )

it was the food items out of range of the sweepers

[Smife]

On 10/14/2020 at 11:46 PM, KittenIsAGeek said:

Also check the temperature of the nuts themselves.

 

[gabberworld]

i think ed little bit about this, you could also build your food make machinery's  to inside carbon dioxide room, then even if you not transfer food it not spoil. why  carbon dioxide? because Gas range outputs the carbon dioxide

also i'm guessing your pincha peppernuts not start spoil if you grow them at right gas

[DemainaNyx]

One thing to remember with all this is that while on the rail from your farms, it can decay.  So if you have a long stretch of rail that runs through a polluted o2 section or oxygen section, it will start to decay there.

If you run your rails behind walls I believe it slowly decay, but I don't know for certain.  I think I ran into a problem once where food sitting on a rail started rotting inside a wall, so I had to redesign.

Ideally, you probably want to put your farms near by and make a dedicated sterile tube for the rail to go through if you hope to completely eliminate all decay.