Don't starve melee damage tierlist!

[DVGMedia]

Did a little fun to see who has the top melee damage in the game!

[maquinarara1]

I see what you tried to do here.

But it seems that you failed to take into account so many factors.

For example:

You should had a base line (all characters that have not a damage modifier, and using a standard weapon without using buffs or debuffs)

You used different weapons on some characters, that affects results obviously.

Beefalos should be taken into account separately

Wolfgang has the highest damage modifier, but also he can deal very little damage, depending on his hunger

Wigfrid also has her own damage modifier, but it is a stable one.

Abigail can also modify her damage

Any character can eat Warly´s cuissine.

Maxwell can summon his shadow puppets to help him deal damage

Winona has her own catapults to help her deal damage, you should have used another target rather than a dummy (a treeguard maybe)

Wickerbottom can summon tentacles and lighting to help her deal damage, you should have used another target rather than a dummy (a treeguard maybe)

If you count webbers spiders, and wurts merms, then I think Pigmen (and bunnymen if we take this route) should be considered, for webber, wurt and wortox cannot befriend pigs.

Also, if you sport a spider hat, any character can use spiders, and merms if they use the clever disguise (although, must be crafted by wurt previously).

And Wes is Best.

Other than that, I think if you do a revisit doing more experiments, it will be of great help for everybody.

Cheers mate

[ShadowDuelist]

Great analysis! I'd just like to point out, in my opinion, that the cancelling animation should probably not be taken into account, as it seems more like an exploit at this point. As a matter of fact regular dark swords attacks can also be made almost twice as fast with the cancelling animation glitch, and that just puts a buffed Warly or a Mighty Wolfgang's DPS up the roof.

Keep it up with the videos!

[Sinister_Fang]

Is it bad that I genuinely forgot Maxwell's duelists can actually deal damage? I'm so used to only using them for the permanent insanity trick that it seriously never crossed my mind that they have damage potential. Although they have less health then a simple spider so they're still pretty useless in an actual fight.

[Cheggf]

19 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said:

Is it bad that I genuinely forgot Maxwell's duelists can actually deal damage? I'm so used to only using them for the permanent insanity trick that it seriously never crossed my mind that they have damage potential. Although they have less health then a simple spider so they're still pretty useless in an actual fight.

They're useful in an actual fight as long as you're actually fighting and not just hoping they'll kill everything for you while you watch. The only fights they're useless in are fights where the enemy is likely to accidentally hit them with cleave damage.

[DVGMedia]

5 hours ago, maquinarara1 said:

I see what you tried to do here.

But it seems that you failed to take into account so many factors.

For example:

You should had a base line (all characters that have not a damage modifier, and using a standard weapon without using buffs or debuffs)

You used different weapons on some characters, that affects results obviously.

Beefalos should be taken into account separately

Wolfgang has the highest damage modifier, but also he can deal very little damage, depending on his hunger

Wigfrid also has her own damage modifier, but it is a stable one.

Abigail can also modify her damage

Any character can eat Warly´s cuissine.

Maxwell can summon his shadow puppets to help him deal damage

Winona has her own catapults to help her deal damage, you should have used another target rather than a dummy (a treeguard maybe)

Wickerbottom can summon tentacles and lighting to help her deal damage, you should have used another target rather than a dummy (a treeguard maybe)

If you count webbers spiders, and wurts merms, then I think Pigmen (and bunnymen if we take this route) should be considered, for webber, wurt and wortox cannot befriend pigs.

Also, if you sport a spider hat, any character can use spiders, and merms if they use the clever disguise (although, must be crafted by wurt previously).

And Wes is Best.

Other than that, I think if you do a revisit doing more experiments, it will be of great help for everybody.

Cheers mate

Yeah was thinking that since this game has all these variables  that can adjust damage I was wondering what would be the best way to show a single stat rather than having all these other variables. This is the thing in this game where technically yes every character can do just about everything 

but when to factor that is is more based on the player rather than the characters  and this is why despite having some tier list every character provides something a player wants in different situations   which is what you listed there  and I think that is what is fun in this game 

 

All feedback is appreciated  I want to see what people actually want me to do a different what variables should be included  in further rankings.

[ShadowDuelist]

5 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

Is it bad that I genuinely forgot Maxwell's duelists can actually deal damage? I'm so used to only using them for the permanent insanity trick that it seriously never crossed my mind that they have damage potential. Although they have less health then a simple spider so they're still pretty useless in an actual fight.

I actually did the math with their timing and their kiting pattern, when I was still looking for uses for them. 

Considering an ideal situation where you hit an immobile enemy, and the duelists don't die out of a butterfly sneezing in the distance, if both are summoned at the same time, their damage combined adds an extra dark sword damage every 5 Maxwell hits, on average.
 

Spoiler

If Maxwell is fighting with a dark sword, they add an extra 20% damage (therefore, Wigfrid is a lot better with a dark sword since she doesn't have as many variables and is constantly dealing +25%)

If Maxwell is fighting with a spear (early game, for example) and given the perfect situation described above, they add about 40% extra damage.

But the truth is, that situations where they can reliably remain alive long enough to cover "at least" their summoning cost, are super rare, and in most of the fights you'd do better without them. The only 2 things I use them for are the perma-insanity, and exploiting the AI of certain enemies that don't target them, like the ewecus.

[SinancoTheBest]

Ah this is a study on characters. Can we have one for tools too? I'm genuinely wondering what damage Whirly fan does and how it compares to other tools, as I'm impressed by how effective it is with killing when comoared to its peers like pretty parasol or sea fishing rod.

[Owlrust]

After seeing just how strong Wendy pairs with Abigail post-refresh in this video, this makes me wonder something. Woodie was considered one of the most efficient AoE attackers post-refresh, but how does he compare now? I'm struggling to find how he is of any use compared to someone like Wendy in terms of damage and utility. Is there really ever a point, in fighting, where Woodie would be more useful?

[SinancoTheBest]

11 minutes ago, Owlrus98 said:

After seeing just how strong Wendy pairs with Abigail post-refresh in this video, this makes me wonder something. Woodie was considered one of the most efficient AoE attackers post-refresh, but how does he compare now? I'm struggling to find how he is of any use compared to someone like Wendy in terms of damage and utility. Is there really ever a point, in fighting, where Woodie would be more useful?

How does Abigail in her newest form fare in boss battes? Weremoose is pretty good in a group scenario where he can tank damage and keep pummeling the enemy. Can Abby hold her own against Grumble bees of beequeen?

[Owlrust]

45 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said:

How does Abigail in her newest form fare in boss battes? Weremoose is pretty good in a group scenario where he can tank damage and keep pummeling the enemy. Can Abby hold her own against Grumble bees of beequeen?

She seems to be able to completely stun-lock Grumble Bees and, in turn, allow Wendy to tank the Bee Queen with some marble suits (and with the buffs to the suits it became even more skewed in her favor). When attacking with Abigail, Wendy receives a roughly 40% damage boost; not only negating her damage penalty but also raising her normal damage up by roughly 15% (in other words a Ham Bat would be almost a dark sword in terms of damage output for her. So she basically has no downside). I love Woodie, but I must say that it's a real shame that he now has little identity outside of rushing the Lunar Island and gathering wood.

Don't worry, I don't plan on deviating from the main topic anymore; my apologies.

[Sinister_Fang]

10 hours ago, Cheggf said:

They're useful in an actual fight as long as you're actually fighting and not just hoping they'll kill everything for you while you watch. The only fights they're useless in are fights where the enemy is likely to accidentally hit them with cleave damage.

I've never had any success in using them properly. And believe me, I've tried. It seems like whenever I try to use them as passive damage, they eventually pull agro and drop dead. 

[Viktor234]

3 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

I've never had any success in using them properly. And believe me, I've tried. It seems like whenever I try to use them as passive damage, they eventually pull agro and drop dead. 

One way to use them properly is to farm regular spiders early on. As soon as the Shadow Duelist hits a spider, he'll take the aggro of all the nearby spiders, allowing you to attack the spiders without being attacked.

[Cheggf]

8 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

I've never had any success in using them properly. And believe me, I've tried. It seems like whenever I try to use them as passive damage, they eventually pull agro and drop dead. 

You need to either tank or have a very tight dodging pattern. I'm talking hitting beefalo 7 times level of tight. So tight that I assume you can't do it with lag compensation on. Any small error in the tightositude of your dodging could cause them to die, and unfortunately if the enemy's range is too large then they could also die if they went in as you had to go out, but that hasn't happened to me much. You could intentionally tank a hit if you see that's going to happen since enemies don't really do much damage if you have armour on, or you could use the death of your Duelist as inspiration to avenge him.

They aren't the best at fighting, I admit that. But I don't necessarily think they need to be since he's already by far the best harvester and can read Wickerbottom books. Maybe they could get a cheaper recipe.