psusi Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 41 minutes ago, watermelen671 said: Well that's different from what we're discussing. Old Pre-RP upgrade dupes will be given a random Joy Response, but any new colony made in the current build will have persistent joy responses for each dupe. That doesn't make any sense. If meep always has X response, then he should have X response whether he was printed before RP or not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, psusi said: That doesn't make any sense. If meep always has X response, then he should have X response whether he was printed before RP or not. Here's the thing though, they try to make things apply retroactively as best they can. When they don't do it, it means it would probably cause something to go horribly wrong in old saves. And trying to apply anything retroactively to dupes is a whole other can of worms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, watermelen671 said: Here's the thing though, they try to make things apply retroactively as best they can. When they don't do it, it means it would probably cause something to go horribly wrong in old saves. And trying to apply anything retroactively to dupes is a whole other can of worms. What I'm saying is that if it is fixed based on the dupe's template, then there isn't anything that needs applied retroactively. A meep is a meep, whether they are from an old save or not. Unless it is actually an attribute of the printed dupe and they just decided not to randomize it for some reason. But why would you program it that way? And then why would you assign random ones on upgrade instead of the fixed table? It's downright goofy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, psusi said: What I'm saying is that if it is fixed based on the dupe's template, then there isn't anything that needs applied retroactively. A meep is a meep, whether they are from an old save or not. Unless it is actually an attribute of the printed dupe and they just decided not to randomize it for some reason. But why would you program it that way? And then why would you assign random ones on upgrade instead of the fixed table? It's downright goofy. AFAIK, the set Joy reactions were made after that update, and were all random for a time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 Here is the complete list for all the initial dupes. Special dupes (Meep, Liam, Banhi...) are missing. The OP crew (best joy response): Meep - Destructive/Sparkle Streaker Turner - Binge Eater/Sparkle Streaker Hassan - Ugly Crier/Sparkle Streaker Jean - Destructive/Sparkle Streaker Marie - Ugly Crier/Sparkle Streaker Ashkan - Binge Eater/Sparkle Streaker Frankie - Destructive/Sparkle Streaker Leira -Binge Eater/Sparkle Streaker Gossman - Vomiter/Sparkle Streaker Nice crew (good joy response): Catalina - Vomiter/Super Productive Banhi - Destructive/Super Productive Liam - Vomiter/SuperProductive Mae - Vomiter/Super Productive Devon - Binge Eater/Super Productive Mi-Ma - Vomiter/Super Productive Nisbet - Destructive/Super Productive Nikola - Destructive/Super Productive Could've been a nice crew (good joy response but not triggering properly): Abe - Ugly Crier/Balloon Artist Ada - Vomiter/Balloon Artist Otto - Vomiter/Balloon Artist Stinky - Vomiter/Balloon Artist Max - Ugly Crier/Balloon Artist Travaldo - Vomiter/Balloon Artist Nails - Ugly Crier/Balloon Artist Ren - Vomiter/Balloon Artist Harold - Binge Eater/Balloon Artist Not so good crew (weak joy response and apparently not triggering properly): Ari - Ugly crier/Sticker Bomber Rowan - Binge Eater/Sticker Bomber Ruby - Binge Eater/Sticker Bomber Bubbles - Binge Eater/Sticker Bomber Burt - Binge Eater/Sticker Bomber Lindsay - Ugly Crier/Sticker Bomber Joshua - Ugly Crier/Sticker Bomber Ellie - Destructive/Sticker Bomber Camille - Vomiter/Sticker Bomber Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Super productive doesn't feel very useful to me. It rarely triggers and most things finish in 1-2 seconds anyhow. I do have some sticker bombs around so that is working and I even have seen a balloon every now and then. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Junksteel said: Here is the complete list for all the initial dupes. Special dupes (Meep, Liam, Banhi...) are missing. So I managed to get around to making that Dupe Chart™... There are 6 special dupes that won't come up on the initial dupe selection, but with the help of SCIENCE mods I managed to snag them as well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurdRage Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, watermelen671 said: So I managed to get around to making that Dupe Chart™... Thanks so much for this. It's adorable to see them all eager and ready for the inevitable torture, agony and endless misery i'll put them through. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMaster13 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 17 hours ago, watermelen671 said: So I managed to get around to making that Dupe Chart™... There are 6 special dupes that won't come up on the initial dupe selection, but with the help of SCIENCE mods I managed to snag them as well. Good chart. If you haven't already, that's something that could go on the wiki so more people can find it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 2:54 PM, DarkMaster13 said: Good chart. If you haven't already, that's something that could go on the wiki so more people can find it. I wish I knew how to do so on the wiki... Spoiler I literally have a thread of HQ clean pictures of stuff and the wiki still uses in game screencaps for a good chunk of their images. Y'all are welcome to do so in my stead y'know? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/114613-recreation-pack-discussed/page/3/#findComment-1296857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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