Update kick system

[Bird Up]

I don't like to have to kick people. No one does. But I like that Klei has the feature to give power to ordinary players to protect their game and have fun. Only problem is that it hasn't been updated in forever, and it doesn't work. So here's how it doesn't work and why it bothers me and my friends so much that we try to avoid Klei public servers:

 

1. Kick only lasts like 5 minutes. What good is kicking someone if they can just go make a sandwich and come right back into the server to grief? I've had someone continuously rejoin every few minutes just to burn chests and leave - and the guy was kicked with unanimous vote twice. There's nothing you can do about it. In my opinion a ban should last at least 1 hour. A stricter ban may need a higher majority vote like 60-80% as to avoid abuse. Another alternative is to make the first ban 30 minutes, then if you get banned *again* in the same day, your penalty increases to a 60 minute ban, and more bans within the day further increasing the penalty. Penalties would refresh 24 hours after your last ban.

2. People can leave the game during a kick vote. I *think* this nullifies the vote. If people can avoid a kick by simply leaving and coming back, then the system is obviously broken. I've seen people quit during kick votes all the time. I haven't figured out if this nullifies the vote, but it seems to. edit: Seems like they still get the kick penalty after leaving which is good.

3. Different reasons for kicks makes sense to have different penalty times. Many times people ban someone for going afk as a ghost. Obviously we just want them to play, so we don't want them to be kicked for any more than a minute or two. But if someone is intentionally ruining everyone's experience in the game by burning bases, hammering bases, killing domesticated beefalo, etc, we *do* want them to go away for an hour or two.

4. Feels outdated. I can think of a couple ways to make the system more intuitive. Perhaps when you go to kick someone, it should ask a reason why, and the reason will be displayed for everyone in the server to see, so that people are less likely to vote blindly. I think everyone has been in a game where a kick vote was called and no one knew exactly why... Also, there should be an afk timer that kicks you after x minutes of not playing so that the kick feature isn't needed to remove afk ghosts. 

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Thanks for reading this far. Obviously I only speak from my own experiences and not everyone else. The game is a lot of fun until one guy with 2 twigs and 2 grass has some bad intentions... A functioning kick system makes everyone happier.

[GiddyGuy]

1 hour ago, Bird Up said:

2. People can leave the game during a ban vote. I *think* this nullifies the vote. If people can avoid a ban by simply leaving and coming back, then the system is obviously broken. I've seen people quit during ban votes all the time. I haven't figured out if this nullifies the vote, but it seems to.

It still kicks them even if they leave the game

1 hour ago, Bird Up said:

Also, there should be an afk timer that kicks you after x minutes of not playing so that the ban feature isn't needed to kick afk ghosts. 

I think there is one? The only one I'm 100% sure is in the game is if you stay in the character select and do nothing for too long.

[CarlZalph]

3 hours ago, Bird Up said:

I've had someone continuously rejoin every few minutes just to burn chests and leave - and the guy was banned with unanimous vote twice. There's nothing you can do about it.

Hmm.  Have you tried walling in the person's last known position so they get stuck on rejoin?  Using end tables or something else that won't break without a hammer or something.

2 hours ago, GiddyGuy said:

I think there is one? The only one I'm 100% sure is in the game is if you stay in the character select and do nothing for too long.

Yeah, there is one that after ~10 minutes of not sending any RPC action the server will kick out the client.

[Mike23Ua]

You guys probably don’t play on Xbox, so your probably unaware that Trolls and their group of troll friends like to abuse the report feature, to falsely report other players & give them unwarranted bans.

Why is this information important to you? Because I don’t know how Bans work over on Steam... but on Xbox a ban spans across ALL of Xbox Live, meaning these trolls and their troll friends can false vote report you. And you wouldn’t just become locked out of their specific game server, but every game server.

Guess the TL:DR version is a Stricter Banning Policy has the potential to create these types of Ban Trolls.

[Bird Up]

Ah. Didn't know afk timer existed. I've seen a lot of afk ghosts stick around for the duration.

On steam, you only get booted from a specific server for a couple minutes. It's a tap on the wrist.

 

[fimmatek]

On 17.11.2019 at 2:35 PM, Bird Up said:

1. Ban only lasts like 5 minutes. What good is banning someone if they can just go make a sandwich and come right back into the server to grief?

Just for clarity, you kicked the player and not banned them, right? As far as I know you can't rejoin a server at all if you are banned, unlike when kicked. Players cannot vote ban someone, only vote kick; banning requires an admin on that server (to prevent abuse on public servers).

[Bird Up]

12 hours ago, fimmatek said:

Just for clarity, you kicked the player and not banned them, right? As far as I know you can't rejoin a server at all if you are banned, unlike when kicked. Players cannot vote ban someone, only vote kick; banning requires an admin on that server (to prevent abuse on public servers).

yeah that's how i should've phrased it to avoid confusion. I changed original post.