Tapirus Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, SouthTom said: But no one refers to them as Shadows, only monsters. I think at least 1 of the survivor would call them Shadows if they were. Looks like they are regular monsters to me. Metheus Puzzle give us a graphic description about it, you can see some ones being killed and others being assimilated to the shadows. The designs of Crawling Horror, Swimming Horror & Terror Beak looks familiar (but more twisted and dark, of course) to the ancients. And the process described by the characters sounds like the metamorphosis of butterflies. Apparently, the old bodies are now "shells" of thulecite while the new ones are made out of nightmare fuel. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Tapirus said: So, looks like it's confirmed: The thulecite of the ancients is organic, existed before the downfall and after the downfall, they were turned partially in this. Where was it confirmed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, GenomeSquirrel said: Where was it confirmed? I said "looks like" by a reason: -The material shown here seems close to the truth by now. -We need the approval of Klei to be 100% confirmed finally. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tapirus said: I said "looks like" by a reason: -The material shown here seems close to the truth by now. -We need the approval of Klei to be 100% confirmed finally. Still a poor verb choice, if you began talking about the melting and forging of fossils you would have had some evidence. Right now the strongest evidence is that both are yellow. That’s nowhere strong enough to resemble confirmation or truth. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: Still a poor verb choice, if you began talking about the melting and forging of fossils you would have had some evidence. Can you make a explanation here of this process with citations and sources, please? I think the community will appreciate because everybody have interest about find clues of lore. 12 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: Right now the strongest evidence is that both are yellow. That’s nowhere strong enough to resemble confirmation or truth. I think the pictures and quotes related to this are important too, because help with the research of info. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tapirus said: Can you make a explanation here of this process with citations and sources, please? I think the community will appreciate because everybody have interest about find clues of lore. It is a fact that thulecite is forgable, it can be turned into walls after all. Multiple pieces become a single piece. If you’re going to say you have confirmation of thulecite being organic, you should at least provide something similar with organic materials. Bee wax is the closest I can think of, but good luck weaponizing that ... 4 minutes ago, Tapirus said: I think the pictures and quotes related to this are important too, because help with the research of info. But leaps of faith are not confirmation, using pictures is an ok start, but there are massive holes you need fill Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: It is a fact that thulecite is forgable, it can be turned into walls after all. Multiple pieces become a single piece. If you’re going to say you have confirmation of thulecite being organic, you should at least provide something similar with organic materials. I could name Amber as example, tree resin with hardness between 2.0 and 2.5 (Mohs scale) when is fossilized and used as gemstone today. 35 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: Bee wax is the closest I can think of, but good luck weaponizing that ... I think is important keep in mind the thulecite of DS/DST is not exact to the one of our world, which lacks of magic. 35 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: But leaps of faith are not confirmation, using pictures is an ok start, but there are massive holes you need fill True, but that's part of research, takes a time get all the "pieces" together. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 3 hours ago, SouthTom said: But no one refers to them as Shadows, only monsters. I think at least 1 of the survivor would call them Shadows if they were. Looks like they are regular monsters to me. If so, that species of monster would have to be extinct, once they don’t ever appear. The two varieties of statues we see depict creatures extremely similar is shape to the two hostile types of shadows. The statues of the ancient as well as their bodies (in the atrium) begin to drip with Nightmare Fuel during the active phase of the ruins. Unless I’ve missed something, it’s not rock solid and indisputable, but it’s an awful lot to write off as coincidence. Especially because it presents a pretty interesting story for something accidentally suggested. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tapirus said: I could name Amber as example, tree resin with hardness between 2.0 and 2.5 (Mohs scale) when is fossilized and used as gemstone today. did you research melting them? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: did you research melting them? ¿Are you taking in consideration the thulecite of DS/DST is magic and imbued with nightmare fuel? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 2C3D Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: did you research melting them? I have no idea what this is getting at and I’m not going to pretend to. I’ve googled it, and amber becomes soft and malleable at 150oc, at which point it can be moulded, if that’s what you are asking about. However, it never conventionally melts, as it decomposes at 300oc. Do with that what you will... Mind filling me in on what that implys? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenomeSquirrel Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, The 2C3D said: I have no idea what this is getting at and I’m not going to pretend to. I’ve googled it, and amber becomes soft and malleable at 150oc, at which point it can be moulded, if that’s what you are asking about. However, it never conventionally melts, as it decomposes at 300oc. Do with that what you will... Mind filling me in on what that implys? In short, thulecite can’t be organic because it would burn instead of melting, and you aren’t getting those tiny pieces into walls without melting them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, GenomeSquirrel said: In short, thulecite can’t be organic because it would burn instead of melting, and you aren’t getting those tiny pieces into walls without melting them. This is what we call using realism too heavily. Not to mention the existence of magic making any "realism" arguments pointless. Not that the Constant followed real rules anyway. Fish have literal x eyes on death, and gold is actually strong metal, learned courtesy of Wagstaff. The laws you know don't apply. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Zeklo said: gold is actually strong metal, learned courtesy of Wagstaff. Wagstaff also is suprised at gold having Mercurial properties... So the logic is even more bent. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106974-notes-about-unspoken-stuff-thulecite/page/2/#findComment-1206756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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