Zeklo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, 0Darkaos said: Can someone get a few screen shots of the board so we can give a better look at the clues, because if what year is it is being abproblem, I'm pretty sure I saw it saying 1916 somewhere, probably in the missing page for charlie. That says April 17th, 1906 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Darkaos Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Zeklo said: That says April 17th, 1906 Well if it is missing "since 1706" then at least it must have been some time since then, easily slotting the time frame at least around the early 1710s... I think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedregales Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Personally, I liked and disliked the new lore. On one hand, we got connections to many characters and even who might be Wagstaff himself*! On the other, Winona seems even more Mary Sue than what she already was (still love her though)... She was at the Voxola factory because she somehow knew/learnt all this "accidents" were connected to it. She was not tricked into The Constant, she literally stumbled upon it on purpose. She was not bribed to get there (to save her sister), but rather was pulled in by the demon inside her sister while she tried to save her. Winona's only mistake while entering The Constant was not knowing Charlie had become a demon. Unlike the rest of the cast that from what we know just made faustian bargains to get something they wanted (though only Wilson's is "canon", and everyone else can be retconned); but for a short summary: Willow was brought to a place where she could burn everything on fire, while Webber was brought in through a false promise of being disconnected from his spider friend. Then you have 2 slightly special characters that didn't get in The Constant by own "choice" in Maxwell, who played with nightmare fire (and also desired for power), and Charlie, who kept working for Maxwell despite all the red flags (because of love, I guess?). All of this characters are tragic characters, but Winona is an epic hero going through an ordeal in order to save her sister (and quite eventually, the rest of the cast); which is not bad, but is off-putting in a "grim-like" game like DS. *I am not completely sure Wagstaff is a man though. I think I read somewhere he was Mr. Wagstaff, but can't remember where. Could Wagstaff be a woman? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Darkaos Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, pedregales said: *I am not completely sure Wagstaff is a man though. I think I read somewhere he was Mr. Wagstaff, but can't remember where. Could Wagstaff be a woman? Nah, wagstaff is a dude really, not only that but wagstaff is just his last name, his first name was joseff or something, it appears in one of the notes in winona's crok board. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Well, the fire in San Francisco in 1906 started on its own because of complications from the earthquake (it sounds like I'm talking about a disease...) so I don't think Willow has to be involved there. She MIGHT have done the New York library one, sure. But I don't see her as bopping across from coast to coast to make sure everything burns, personally. : P The devs have said somewhere (I forget where) that the main part of the timeline, aka when Wilson shows up in regular DS, is "around 1920". This fits the music (except the ragtime, which is older _because it's for Maxwell_, who got there in the 1900s!), the outfits, the overall styling of the game, and incidentally would make Wendy a teenager, now that we know she and Abigail ARE "the twins" from Jack Carter's letter to Maxwell (William Carter). But Wendy's age has always been debateable--I mean, her winter outfit is called "snowCHILD", so... (And my personal headcanon about how Abigail died? She was taken out by the Spanish Flu epidemic that hit in 1918, just after WWI. It fits the timeline. It explains why her ghost is the same general size as Wendy (besides, ya know, sprite limitations)--she died when Wendy was close to as tall/old as she is when she reaches the Constant. And it's a real-life historical event, and if Klei can use those (such as the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire) I can too.) Apparently Wagstaff's first name is Robert. Now, I mean, you COULD name a girl that (I mean, I used to know a girl named "Michael") but... I love how the description of Winona's new Industrious set in the store would make NO sense to anybody who just plays the game and doesn't know it even _has_ lore. "Voxola factory? What's that?" I can hear them saying now. XD And last but not least, as a Doctor Who fan I'm legally contracted to say this: The Constant is wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey! ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, pedregales said: Could Wagstaff be a woman? 2 minutes ago, 0Darkaos said: Nah, wagstaff is a dude really, not only that but wagstaff is just his last name, his first name was joseff or something, it appears in one of the notes in winona's crok board. His name is Robert Wagstaff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 On 8. 3. 2019 at 6:26 AM, TurtleKitty said: I think Genevieve might be a child laborer, which was common practice back then to cut wage cost. pretty sure no... this was during 20th century and not industrial age. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BushmannGG1392 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 There's the exact same clock in both Forbidden Knowledge and the Winona short. Do the times on them mean any thing? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapirus Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 14 hours ago, __IvoCZE__ said: pretty sure no... this was during 20th century and not industrial age. The time period of DS/DST happens during the Second Industrial Revolution & World War 1. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurtleKitty Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 22 hours ago, watermelen671 said: Also Genevieve is the same size as Winona, and unless Winona herself was a child laborer, I don't think that's the case. That makes sense. Not that there's much size difference with Wendy and the adult characters, due to art style. However someone with the inventive dedication to build a portal would hardly put company production of anything in the hands of anyone short of an engineer. Especially since kids are prone to mistakes and snooping around. Would've been a prime way for a Willow-esque kid to burn the entire factory down, destroying all the months of laborious pseudo-science work with the portal and radios. Maxwell would be especially against that kind of risk if he was to escape the Nightmare Throne. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 21 hours ago, pedregales said: Unlike the rest of the cast that from what we know just made faustian bargains to get something they wanted (though only Wilson's is "canon", and everyone else can be retconned); but for a short summary: Willow was brought to a place where she could burn everything on fire, while Webber was brought in through a false promise of being disconnected from his spider friend. I always kinda thought Webber was lured in by the promise of "a place where you won't be seen as a monster anymore, where you'll fit in". That'd be a lot more poignant. (And an utter LIE...) That, or his incident didn't happen until _after_he was in the Constant, originally as a normal little boy. I mean, how in the REAL world could you be swallowed whole by a spider and not only stay alive, but _grow_ inside it, without also killing the spider? In a magical land full of weird creatures, however... (I know this is off-topic a bit, but hey. Maybe we'll get to see Webber's actual origin story sometime in the future too!) ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/103635-someone-is-connecting-the-dots/page/3/#findComment-1163877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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