Trouble shooting Linux issue of starting with a black screen, and you here the background music playing it is solved in this thread But I still need help

[NotenKi]

Since I'm mostly a thorn in people sides, gettting help may be hard..  it seems I can't play ONI any longer. not because I'm mad and want to quite. But because it flat will not even start on my computer.  I am running Linux now, but since the title shows up a a supported title, I came here hoping to find some help..  I hit the start button the screen goes white the music starts playing and the screen goes black.  Since I am using linux I am unsure of where drivers are running. most of my games are working that are supported like this title.. I changed Distro's from Ubuntu to Manjaro because it seems to be better for the advanced computer player. So I got it all up, accept for a few titles that are unsupported but worked, until I changed. I also had issues that were unusual for installing a new version of Linux. but now I'm here looking for help.  first I need to find the games files for this game, they aren't the same as win10.. Then I can really ask for help..   But I do believe very strongly that adding frustration to a game that is fun to play, kills the game..  Just once I'd like to see a dev, not add anymore that what can't be helped.. but wasted time is wasted time.. for the sake of nothing..

[KittenIsAGeek]

I don't know why you think you're a thorn in people's sides... but, lets get on to the problem.

I play ONI on Linux.  I have since the day they supported linux.  Unfortunately, there's a LOT of stuff we need to figure out before we can address the problem:

1. What distribution are you using?
2. How current is your linux build?
3. Do you have a graphics card that supports 3d?  Note: Intel does not, despite everything I've read stating "its natively supported."  It isn't.  I've never managed to get anything that requires hardware 3d to work with anything other than Nvidia or AMD.

There's a lot more to check, but your answers to those three questions will help narrow things down considerably before we go on.

PS: The game files can be found by right-clicking on the game in Steam, selecting "Properties" then clicking on "Local Files."  Its posted on the bug report forum.

[NotenKi]

Manjaro.  Its recent  a few weeks old.  My kernel build is new enough to support a GTX 1070 Nvidia Styrix card.. driver 410. however even though it is loaded it is not installed  I have an issue in Manjaro with a few errors and Manjaro is reloading older drivers, but part of the problem is the Window 10 official version of ONI is no longer loaded so it is just loading the Linux version, I had a hard drive error that resulted in Win 10 poofing.. to xubuntu...  hehe  well I think that it is windows is deleted, even though ONI supports linux,  it leans on  win 10, if you have it installed.. two of the 3 files in linux are grayed out.. for ONI. even after a few re installs they still stay gray.. my window goes black even the cursor disappears.. but the music still plays and can hear the dups walking around on the title screen. um yes I know they can but I was wondering how to find them in linux.

[KittenIsAGeek]

2 minutes ago, NotenKi said:

Manjaro.  Its recent  a few weeks old.  My kernel build is new enough to support a GTX 1070 Nvidia Styrix card.. driver 410. however even though it is loaded it is not installed  I have an issue in Manjaro with a few errors and Manjaro is reloading older drivers, but part of the problem is the Window 10 official version of ONI is no longer loaded so it is just loading the Linux version, I had a hard drive error that resulted in Win 10 poofing.. to xubuntu...  hehe  well I think that it is windows is deleted, even though ONI supports linux,  it leans on  win 10, if you have it installed.. two of the 3 files in linux are grayed out.. for ONI. even after a few re installs they still stay gray.. my window goes black even the cursor disappears.. but the music still plays and can hear the dups walking around on the title screen.

Alright. I think I follow most of that.  I suspect the problem is where you state that the Nvidia card is loaded but not installed. 

I don't know what you mean that "ONI supports linux but leans on win 10."  From my experience, the linux client is 100% native to linux.    I also don't know what you mean by "if you have it installed.. two of the 3 files in linux are greyed out."  If you can provide some screenshots, perhaps that would help.  Here's a screenshot of ONI running on my system, which is 100% linux -- no windows 10 on this machine.

Spoiler

 

[NotenKi]

First of all when I did the original install it was Win10 only.

When I first installed ubuntu  I miss read the install and thought it would delete my system, which I wanted done, I was affected by the win patch 1809 bug and ended up with a lot of damage as it struck while I was deleting a file and I lost my  nearly all of my 64 bit drivers not to mention since in deleted the 64 bit program files completely most of my games were deleted or lost on all the other hard drives in an instant.  I found them in place that was unbelievable to me,  they are all moved in a blink of the eye but none were useful but they still had there size and wasted space. becuase ubuntu did not delete my drives, as it said it would what ever bug windows installed came with my system.. to linux.. I finally got it off 1 drive but the other is proving to be impossible to delete.. so it is now unplugged..

sehn I installed my games and steam on ubuntu,  I began having issues that ended up with my loosing my ability to install anything.. so I tried Xubuntu  that got to the no install in a hurry and deb flat never even installed correctly at all..  At Manjaro, I got some help and got that 1 hard drive deleted.  everyone kept saying I had gparted that manjaro came with it but my system never let it be installed if it in fact was part of the install. so far that is the one issue I have I cant install gparted it either adds a bunch of files I don't want or refuses to install. anyway I installed Manjaro and have it working , that is how much of a user I am at the moment..  i'm a super new bee  hehe.

but I do still have issues.  one of them is it seems my mother board has been damaged.  the bios on it is not being used by linux  it says I need a new chip, which isn't going to happen, since Asus discontinued this board some time ago.. for the first gen I7's which is what i have my board turned into a real stinkers.. because of that linux uses the 410 just to id my card but installs and older safe driver..to run the card  I've not been able to change that even with a manual install of 410 driver.

when i had ubuntu I could play ONI,, after the delete and upplug and install of Manjaro  it was intalled only to linux  and doesn't work! I have issues with several games now  that were added to linux and installed in windows during the still had win install period that all worked that no longer work in Manjaro.. which is the only install now.. and I read a comment about steam of a complaint that the parties games were using the nfts of windows in linux but that when it was removed the games stopped working.. when installed into the Linux system. and I think that is part of my problem.. don't ask me I don't remember where I read that comment  and the steam forums have been revamped and a lot of post deleted..  when they did there new update..  which I missed as I was down do to install and uses issues. so it was a shock to me to see the changes. I'm still catching up to all of them..  sorry my english stinks but it is my only language.. please try to bare thru it..

[KittenIsAGeek]

OK.. anything installed under windows will not run in linux.   So any program you want to run while you're in linux will have to be installed with linux.  I repeat: any application or game that you installed with Windows will not run in Linux.  You must install the linux version of the application.  Second, lets talk about your hard drives.  You appear to be extremely new to computers in general, so here's some background that may help you understand the situation:

• Hard drives must be partitioned.  By default, Windows will create two partitions on your hard drive. One is small and contains critical information for restoring the operating system if something happens.  The other will fill the remainder of the drive and will be where your documents, programs, and everything else is stored.
• The boot sector is a very special part of the drive that will not necessarily show up as a partition.  If you have a very new motherboard, Windows 10 will use the UEFI method, which will show up as a very small FAT partition.  Don't mess with it unless you know exactly what you're doing.
• A partition editing program such as 'gparted' can be used to delete partitions.  Assume that once a partition is deleted, the data is gone (it isn't, but recovery is not easy).  The XUbuntu install disk has gparted as part of its applications. This means you can boot up the disk in "try it" mode and do whatever you like to your hard drives BEFORE starting the install.  It is best that you use this method because editing partitions while the drives are in use can create some real problems if you're not careful.

OK, so on with the installation and motherboard issues...

• Linux doesn't care about your BIOS.  I've been running linux since 386 computers were the next big thing and it doesn't care.  Mostly.  The exception is if you try to use UEFI boot.  The UEFI method MUST be supported by the motherboard if that is what you want to use.  However, almost ALL motherboards will support legacy mode.  Odds are the complaint you're getting during install is that you're trying to use UEFI and the BIOS isn't supporting it.  Unless you're dual-booting with Windows 10, you should have no problems with using legacy mode.

I have no idea what a "410" is that you say you're using.  Are we talking about the motherboard still or are you now talking about the graphics card?  Either way, here's some information about linux and NVidia cards...

• Linux now supports almost all NVidia cards.  Some cards may not behave exactly the same as they do under windows, but NVidia has started to work with the Linux Open Source Project to support their video cards.  This means that even if your distribution doesn't support them during the install, you can still go to NVidia's site and download the drivers.  Instructions vary depending on the distribution you're using.
• If your distribution (Ubuntu/XUbuntu/Mate/Majoro/whatever) has a package to support your video card hardware, it is preferred you use that package.  In the case of Ubuntu (and other Debian-type distributions) this is done by going into the settings and clicking on "Additional Drivers" then activating the appropriate package.  Here's a screenshot:

Spoiler

OK, so we got the hard drive, motherboard, and video card taken care of.  There's a lot of rambling in your post where you talk about "adding a lot of files I don't want" and other issues about installing applications.

• Installing applications in Linux (or Windows) will add a LOT of weird files to your system that will go into a lot of weird places.
• Applications are not stand-alone files like they were back in the 486 days.  They link out to libraries that are shared across the system.  If these libraries are already on your computer, nothing will happen with them during the install. If they aren't already there, then they will be installed.  
• Linux, unlike windows, makes a point of telling you all the packages that are necessary to support your application.  From your perspective, you might think that installing gparted is adding a bunch of junk, but really its simply telling you everything that is necessary for the application to function.
• Windows applications will not run in Linux.  I just want to make sure you understand that, because most of the stuff you wrote above makes it sound like you're trying to run the windows version of applications while in Linux.  The Linux version of that application must be installed in Linux.

Alright.. one more item:  You wrote "when I had ubuntu I could play ONI but after install of Manjaro I can not."

• Different distributions of Linux install things in different ways.
• Ubuntu and its sister distributions like XUbuntu will always try to install a hardware package for an NVidia card.
• Manjaro may not. I have no experience with it personally, so I can't tell you what it does/does not support during the install process.  However...
• The problem you describe, where you can hear the sounds but see a black screen indicate that the hardware drivers for your video card are not installed.  I can't help you install them because I don't know anything about how the Manjaro distribution handles it.  This has absolutely nothing to do with Windows, ONI compatibility in Linux, what files were left behind from Windows, which hard drive is working or not, etc.  This problem is specifically that the hardware drivers for your video card are not installed.

I hope that I've helped you out some and that you can use this information to sort out the problems you're having.  ONI works great in Linux, and it is a lot of fun to play.  Hopefully you'll be in the game soon.

[NotenKi]

I'm only new to linux   I'm reading your post so this will be a comment by comment post  I'd give you my background but I don't want to bore you with years of dos followed by several decades of windows.   in those I know what I'm doing.  I won't disagree wi th your opening statement about not running on linux, however there are several post out there that say it does run with the win system and better then on then on the linux system  where they didn't run at all   remember you are using Wine rather you loaded it or not  Steam put it on  and Manjaro  puts in on every system that downloads Manjaro  that fact makes linux work fine on win games. the new version of wine is almost flawless but it still does not run them all but it is tons better then the old version Manjaro used to load..   so don't forget what is on your computer...  ok as to the 410 drivers they are the new version put out by Nviidia for linux that are designed for stupid X org..  I checked my system files and found out that the other program is wrong my system is both installing and using 410.. ubuntu Linux and steam got Nvidia to play ball with them so we are getting a less then the windows people are getting.. driver.. but it at least see and uses dx 12 it does not use dx11 very well I read up on that too..would be that i remember where I read.  some one explained on a steam forum how to get open gl to work with the dx 11..  that is what I need to go find or remember.. I used to be terriffic on Dos I really was pissed at them for killiing it, when they are in fact still using it..  it still the basis of every windows system. I did not bother with uefi  i've read enough to know linux and that don't play ball so I am on ms dos  fat partitions..using ext 4.  ok have a good day   just don't forget your using Wine  like you forgot up there!  I may have to install ubuntu again just for those games but I do like Manjaro much better..  when I get better at it the first thing I will do is do a minimal install of Manjaro   but until then I'm at the mercy of what they put on my system . As to the bios  yes it does  you need to learn to use those programs that help you fix your computer   linux is installing a new bios in software and has my bios on hold  because it says it can't use it....   If I could remember the command  I will go get it..  you will be surprised by what it shows you..  I will edit this post later to add that info for you.. The issue with dx 11 is probably my issue.  now that you made me think about it..  but I believe that ONI runs on 12 too.. but maybe not..  or I'm sorry I did n't get the screenshot you asked for my bad..  or something is wrong with the oni program   and I believe you mistaken about gparted  because it wasn't loaded on my machine either when I used ubuntu....

I really wish this was a simple programming mistake by ONI.. So many have it over a board spectrum of OS" even in Window..

Thank

Noten  Ki

[KittenIsAGeek]

Please use punctuation.  I think part of my troubles in understanding you is figuring out where one sentence ends and the next begins.  I'm well aware of DOS and Wine.  I still have my PC-DOS 1.1 (5.25" floppies) and MS-DOS 3.4 (3.5") disks.  I do miss those days... I apologize if my previous post made it sound like you didn't know anything -- I made several assumptions based on what I could understand from your writing.

I apologize if none of my information helped.  I don't know what to tell you at this point.  I've played ONI on three different machines running different variants of Linux.  The only machine I couldn't get it to run on had an Intel graphics card.  One machine even has a single-core Celeron processor -- and ONI still works.  One machine dual-boots with Windows 10.  There was a very brief time where there were some performance and graphics glitches with the Linux version of ONI, but that was when they first put out the Linux client.  

One thing I can help you with, however, is finding gparted.  I spent some time and booted the various install disks (I even downloaded Manjaro so that I would no longer be ignorant about it) and made some screenshots for you.

Spoiler

Manjaro:

XUbuntu:

Mate:

Mint:

 

Maybe this weekend I'll try installing Majoro on my laptop and see what happens with Steam and ONI.

[KittenIsAGeek]

OK, so.. I installed Manjaro on my system to try and re-produce the problem @NotenKi is experiencing.  Interestingly, I now have the same problem they did.  The game starts, the music plays, FPS are good... but the screen is completely black.

After messing around with things for a couple of hours, I'm no closer to figuring out why the problem is happening.  ONI works perfectly well under all Debian derivatives I have tried -- which isn't surprising, since the Linux install package from Steampowered.com is a Debian package.  Manjaro is an Arch derivative.  How things are stored, which libraries get loaded, and a huge number of other factors could be the cause of this problem, and tracking down the issue has not been going very well for me.

To be clear about this problem: My hardware is the same, only the Linux variant has changed.  I'm using the same kernel build, I have all the drivers installed that ought to be, and I have no problem running OpenGL games that are native to Linux.  Within Steam, TF2 appears to run just fine, so does Don't Starve.  However, "Life is Strange" would not until I removed the "steam-native" package.  Which is, um, strange.  Anyway, sorry for the diversion, back to the topic...

My previous statement that the 3D drivers had to be installed was.. incorrect. While this is a common issue, it does not appear to be the issue here.  I also tried using a different malloc library, since there's a bug that can affect some programs when dealing with 3D hardware.  However, that didn't help either.  There aren't any log errors that seem out of the ordinary, either.  I'm scratching my head on this one.  

I've been thinking about installing Arch to see if it works there, but that seems like a lot more work than I'm willing to put into this.

TL;DR: ONI works perfectly fine in Linux with Debian distributions.  It does not with Manjaro.  

[KittenIsAGeek]

I messed around with things for another few hours and I found a solution.  For some really odd reason, the Unity3d config file sets the initial resolution to 1x1 pixel.  Sooooooo... to fix the problem follow these steps:

• Navigate to <home>/.config/unity3d/Klei/Oxygen Not Included
• Open up the file "prefs" with whatever plain text editor you prefer.  vi anyone?
• Change the line <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Height" type="int">1</pref> to <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Height" type="int">1080</pref>
• Change the line <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Width" type="int">1</pref> to <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Width" type="int">1920</pref>
• Save the file.
• Re-start ONI

Addendum: Substitute 1080 and 1920 with whatever your screen resolution is.  After that, Oni should work for you, @NotenKi

[Lifegrow]

25 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

I messed around with things for another few hours and I found a solution.  For some really odd reason, the Unity3d config file sets the initial resolution to 1x1 pixel.  Sooooooo... to fix the problem follow these steps:

• Navigate to <home>/.config/unity3d/Klei/Oxygen Not Included
• Open up the file "prefs" with whatever plain text editor you prefer.  vi anyone?
• Change the line <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Height" type="int">1</pref> to <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Height" type="int">1080</pref>
• Change the line <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Width" type="int">1</pref> to <pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Width" type="int">1920</pref>
• Save the file.
• Re-start ONI

Addendum: Substitute 1080 and 1920 with whatever your screen resolution is.  After that, Oni should work for you, @NotenKi

Round of applause tbh bud, excellent work. I understand nothing within this thread, but you're genuinely a hero. x

[KittenIsAGeek]

For how much work was involved, I can't believe how simple the solution was.  Goodness. Its really hard to find the cause of a problem when there aren't any errors.

[blash365]

Sidenote: please change the title of your thread to something more specific to the topic (e.g. "troubleshooting ONI under linux").

The current title is very broad and not suitable to receive help or serve as a source for help to other players.

[KittenIsAGeek]

@NotenKiwill have to do that, as it is their thread.

[fifty_ducks]

Hi I popped in on a lazy thursday afternoon, and I have to applaud @KittenIsAGeek . Well done and bravo.

[silverbluep]

I can say that i run arch and this problem seems to be manjaro related. Or at least it runs perfect under i3. What you experience is a DE issue.

[KittenIsAGeek]

13 minutes ago, silverbluep said:

I can say that i run arch and this problem seems to be manjaro related. Or at least it runs perfect under i3. What you experience is a DE issue.

I didn't try with Arch specifically, but when I re-installed Ubuntu, and installed Steam, then ONI, it happened again.  Which makes me wonder if something changed recently that is affecting fresh installs.    I've never encountered this particular problem before, but I managed to re-produce it on several different Linux distributions.  

My guess is that whatever script is auto-sensing the screen size during the initial install for Unity3d settings is getting an incorrect value.

[SlowMaybe]

The fix is setting

<pref name="Screenmanager Resolution Use Native" type="int">1</pref>

This allows it to initialize to your monitor's resolution

[silverbluep]

On 11/8/2018 at 5:09 PM, KittenIsAGeek said:

I didn't try with Arch specifically, but when I re-installed Ubuntu, and installed Steam, then ONI, it happened again.  Which makes me wonder if something changed recently that is affecting fresh installs.    I've never encountered this particular problem before, but I managed to re-produce it on several different Linux distributions.  

My guess is that whatever script is auto-sensing the screen size during the initial install for Unity3d settings is getting an incorrect value.

Iwould retract my statement that i had the same behaviour. I guess an update screwed it up.

[NotenKi]

Thank You KittenisGeek.. I will try this soon..  since the thread was not resulting in any work  I was off atempting  wasted time   I started playing don't starves Hamlet.. ouch  i'm so rusty at that game  

Okay I have a new problem   I can not get to the directory you are stating  not using the Terminal  or just clicking it is neither in my home directory or the Roots home directory..   when I use terminal and attempt to cd to home it tells me no such file or directory exists  when I can plainly see them and use point and click  to get to either of them  but  I do have a second root file that is locked in the Root directory.  and I am not allowed in there no matter what I try..  I think that one holds the . files  I  am the installing person and administrator of this computer.. but my password does not work to get into that file..  I can find steam but i can't find the games 

as to punc and grammar and spelling issues   i'm doing the best I can do atm..  I can't see them so I can't use them properly..

I seem to write like i am a native Japanese speaker  they do not have to list the subject  accept at the start of the conversation in most cases..  because I pretty much use english like that..  I am not a native Japanese speaker.. 

 

[KittenIsAGeek]

32 minutes ago, NotenKi said:

 when I use terminal and attempt to cd to home it tells me no such file or directory exists  when I can plainly see them and use point and click  to get to either of them 

OK, your home directory will always be macro'd to '~.'  Also, spaces are an issue without quotes.  So you can try these commands:

• cd ~/.config/unity3d/Klei/Oxygen\ Not\ Included
• cd ~/.config/unity3d/Klei/"Oxygen Not Included"

If you're in whatever file browser you use, you can hit "CTRL-H" to show the hidden files and folders like .config should show up.  You can use "CTRL-H" again to hide everything.

[NotenKi]

by the way I am running the version of Manjaro that uses  Kate will go try  do I need the "?

 

okay the first cd took me to Oxygen \ Not \ Included

ok  I need to have my hand held I'm sorry  I've forgotten how to use the commands in the terminal that  get you around when using lst -a  to get the files to show up.  

 

okay I also tried using teh ctrl-h   that worked in dolphin  and i got to Klei /Oxygen\ Not \ Included  but all that is there is a mods folder and a save/files direct

 

Woot I am in and i can see again    I tried using slowmaybe  line of changing the 0 in that line to 1 and it works/ss

Sorry You did so much work your really amazing   that you took the time to do this for someone you could hardly understand..  I wish i could give you something for all your work  but all I can do is Thank You  for your effort   I'm sure your statement works you found that problem   miswrote the unity engine..  Thank You So much I have one of my favorite games back ! 

And thanks to all of you the game input or just looked at the thread.. I appreciate all of you~!