psusi Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I know you can use pipe bridges to take priority of water flowing out to prefer going to the bridge over the other path, but how can you prioritize one source over another? I have some polluted water coming in from my NG gen, but if that isn't enough I want the water sieve to pull from the pump in my main pool. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Pipe bridge from aux line into main line. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonEmpire Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I made water sensor that detects when one line is clogged it automates to close off another line so that there is a priority to the one that is clogged up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, RonEmpire said: I made water sensor that detects when one line is clogged it automates to close off another line so that there is a priority to the one that is clogged up. You can do it as described above with just pipe bridges, and knowing how they work. No need for automation in most cases. Pipe bridges work on the simple principle that a liquid or gas will always prioritize going across the bridge but only if there is room in the pipe on the exit. So the OPs problem can be solved with just one pipe bridge from the aux line into the main line. Nothing else is needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djoums Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 An example of what Saturnus said in action, a self refilling refinery. Because of the bridge in the bottom right, the fresh coolant that comes from the bottom will only be able to go through if there's no coolant being recycled from the refinery for another round. A thermo sensor is used to decide whether the coolant can be recycled or is to hot and must be expelled to the left. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 Ahh right, they no longer output if the destination pipe isn't empty. That's why the passive packet combiner no longer works. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 6 hours ago, psusi said: Ahh right, they no longer don't output if the destination pipe isn't empty is full. FTFY Nothing changed with bridges for a loooong time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1076993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Grimgaw said: Nothing changed with bridges for a loooong time. Let me correct that. Nothing has changed with bridges except visual appearance. The mechanics of how they work have been exactly the same since the very first alpha release. So they've literally never changed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Saturnus said: Let me correct that. Nothing has changed with bridges except visual appearance. The mechanics of how they work have been exactly the same since the very first alpha release. So they've literally never changed. Umm... no? That thread that describes how to stack two pipe bridges to combine packets into full size ones noted that they changed them I think in CU and it no longer works. Now you have to use element sensors and shutoff valves. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, psusi said: Umm... no? That thread that describes how to stack two pipe bridges to combine packets into full size ones noted that they changed them I think in CU and it no longer works. Now you have to use element sensors and shutoff valves. Not sure which thread you're referring to but packet stacking still works for me in EU. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Not sure which thread you're referring to but packet stacking still works for me in EU. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Not sure which thread you're referring to but packet stacking still works for me in EU. No, they don't: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, psusi said: No, they don't What you're showing still works like it did before, so only if the valve is set to 0.625, 1.25, 2.5 or 5kg in case of liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, Grimgaw said: What you're showing still works like it did before, so only if the valve is set to 0.625, 1.25, 2.5 or 5kg in case of liquid. I'm pretty sure I did that and it still didn't work. The other thread you linked also says it no longer works. Also in order for it to work, a bridge would have to output into a pipe that is not completely empty, which would mean you can't use them to prefer one input source over another. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I just checked in game, it does work like it always had. Don't ask me how, because I still don't know. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Are you guys just trolling me? Packet stackers still works fine in EU. At least the way I have always built them. Just tested it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 An infinite in-line stacker with element sensor and liquid shut off also works. It outputs only full packets regardless of input flow. Here it's a little more clear how it's built but as shown above it works even when the loop bridge is tucked in on the same line. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 @SaturnusYeah I linked the element sensor one. @psusi was talking about the first image from this thread: The OP says it's broken, but I can confirm that it works exactly like it had before ( but only with the values I listed above). Hope that helps clear things up. If anyone can explain how this two bridge thing works I'd be grateful. The packets get confused due to outputs on both ends of the pipe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Grimgaw said: @SaturnusYeah I linked the element sensor one. Not exactly the same. And not as elegant. But sure. Didn't check the link before though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Saturnus said: And not as elegant. Agreed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Grimgaw said: Agreed. The difference is that the opposing bridges. The by-pass and loop bridges. Together with the element sensor forms a blockage detector. This part can be used to stop machinery that requires unrestricted outputs to function or to indicate when a buffer is full. The valve is in my case just used as a deliberate blockage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Saturnus said: Are you guys just trolling me? Packet stackers still works fine in EU. At least the way I have always built them. Just tested it. How the hell does that work? If the first valve ls limited to 500g, then at the fork in the pipe, 250 will go each way. The only way the 250 going through the bridge will end up giving you a full packet is if the second valve outputs 9750g, which it isn't going to do. 2 hours ago, Grimgaw said: @SaturnusYeah I linked the element sensor one. @psusi was talking about the first image from this thread: The OP says it's broken, but I can confirm that it works exactly like it had before ( but only with the values I listed above). Hope that helps clear things up. If anyone can explain how this two bridge thing works I'd be grateful. The packets get confused due to outputs on both ends of the pipe. When I tried to get that to work, it seemed to keep looping the small packets back and building up bigger ones, but once the system reached steady state, it kept outputting one full packet, one partial, one full, one partial. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, psusi said: then at the fork in the pipe, 250 will go each way. Forks don't work this way. Forks alternate packets into branches. 3 minutes ago, psusi said: it kept outputting one full packet, one partial, one full, one partial. That's why you need those specific values I mentioned. The packets are doubling until full and then send left over. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Grimgaw said: Forks don't work this way. Forks alternate packets into branches. Oh right... so then that design only works for exactly 5000g/s? One goes left, one goes right, then they get combined? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 34 minutes ago, psusi said: Oh right... so then that design only works for exactly 5000g/s? One goes left, one goes right, then they get combined? Exactly. Useful to pack the output of a sieve into an aquatuner for example Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/94767-pipe-source-priority/#findComment-1077249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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