Yunru Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Anyone got a build to use volcanoes to refine metal? I've tried a couple myself but none seem to work. Putting the auto sweeper in with the volcano causes it to overheat, using a metal wall and a steel container... should work? But the Steel compator seems to stop getting hotter at 1003.5c (at least, while in a vacuum). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Yes, I'll link you in the post so you can find it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 As far as I know a metal refinery is still your best bet If you attempt to melt the ores with magma heat and it cools into a solid tile you will lose 50% mass when your dupes dig it up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Liquids won't turn into tiles if you cool them down in small amounts only. You can see it with magma - a full magma tile will turn into a rock tile, but you can turn it all into items by spreading it over a large space before cooling it. It should be safe to do the same with liquid metals if you never let it pool in one spot. For example, drip it over cool tiles. It can only turn into a tile if it is constrained from the sides and prevented from spreading or if you cool it so fast it doesn't have the time to spread. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 So this is the attempt I felt most likely to work without overheating: But as you can see, the steel storage simply refuses to heat. Is this a bug or am I missing something? Adding gas seems to get it to heat, but defeats the point of having it in a vacuum (which is to prevent the auto-sweeper and transport from overheating). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Yunru said: Adding gas seems to get it to heat, but defeats the point of having it in a vacuum (which is to prevent the auto-sweeper and transport from overheating). That's the crux of the problem. Buildings will only interact thermally if there is a medium with which they can interact. This applies to the Metal Tiles, the Smart Storage, and the Tempshift Plates. Have you tried a liquid? Say Oil or Petro? Maybe even Phosphorous, since we're talking Volcano temps? Looking at your screenshot, you might need to lift the Sweeper 1 tile higher to prevent it from making contact with the liquid, but otherwise you should be able to fill that right side chamber up to the first tile of the Smart Storage. That will allow the Metal Tiles to interact with the liquid, to the interact with the Smart Storage and the Tempshift Plates. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 The problem with a liquid is the melted metals will also be liquid, and I don't know how they'll mix. Edit: Oh I'm dumb, just use the molten metal as the liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: Have you tried a liquid? Say Oil or Petro? Maybe even Phosphorous, since we're talking Volcano temps? Looking at your screenshot, you might need to lift the Sweeper 1 tile higher to prevent it from making contact with the liquid There is no liquid that stays liquid at those temperatures. If you want a sweeper, you need to actively cool it by submerging it in a separate liquid and cooling that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 It works! Mwuhahaha! Note that this was designed for any type of volcano including regular magma (which for some reason I... didn't want to collect?), but I think I could just have the volcano run off into the cooling system fine. Edit: Nope, volcanoes also produce gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Volcanoes produce gas? Since when? I have always maintained a vacuum around my volcanoes Nice build BTW Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 Just now, Neotuck said: Volcanoes produce gas? Since when? I have always maintained a vacuum around my volcanoes Nice build BTW I don't know, but trace elements of carbon dioxide always seem to creep into mine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonhog Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I had a similar problem, you might want to try the setup that worked for me after I posted a similar discussion. It works really well, just make sure to have the aquatiner that you're using to cool the P water submerged in the P water that once reaches a certain temp you ship off to the water seive. Give it a try! Might work for you. Good luck! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 From non atmosuited dupes. On your build there is no way to collect The metal of The volcano? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Carnis said: From non atmosuited dupes. On your build there is no way to collect The metal of The volcano? It's just a proof of concept at the moment. I've got some plans about just having an airlock drop the metal into a cooling chamber that only unlocks for dupes once the temperature cools enough, but nothing solid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Might be easier to use a normal volcano for heating your metals. I use the same thing for boiling oil Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92100-refining-metals-using-volcanos/#findComment-1051453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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