Good geyser Cooling

[TheExceed]

Hmm, so how do you think it'll fair with 40c water

[Neotuck]

4 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

What is the setting of that hydro sensor? Could you test if it will still work as well if you set it to refill the chamber when below 950 kg?

I think it was just set to 1Kg, I wanted to keep the water as cold as possible without freezing so I could grow sleet wheat in a warm environment so my farmers could be comfortable, and the less water in the chamber the easier it was to cool

4 minutes ago, TheExceed said:

Hmm, so how do you think it'll fair with 40c water

didn't work, that's why I had to pass it though 2 aqua tuners to reach 14C

[TheExceed]

Just now, Neotuck said:

I think it was just set to 1Kg, I wanted to keep the water as cold as possible without freezing so I could grow sleet wheat in a warm environment so my farmers could be comfortable 

didn't work, that's why I had to pass it though 2 aqua tuners to reach 14C

Do you borge cube for the aqua tuners then?

[Neotuck]

Just now, TheExceed said:

Do you borge cube for the aqua tuners then?

no, this was before I knew about borg cubes, I simply had them in my PW tank

[BlueLance]

23 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

the steam is at 110 C, Worts stop working at 90

Dont they stop at 95 now? Also if you have a polluted water Geyser, I would be using that to condense the liquid (This solves the first problem of condensing the steam to get as much water out of it as possible. 

Afterwards if you can then deal with cooling the water (Wheezeworts aint gonna cut it unless you have a very very nice system and limit the water with a valve so that you make use of the vents downtime to cool down the water in the pipe, then rinse/repeat) AETN would also be similar, it can cool more, but even at maximum pressure(Unless you use certain "Features") a 20kg tile of hydrogen will rapidly heat up a bigger room will give you a bigger buffer but also increase the time it takes to cool down all that hydrogen,

My plans were to have a Polluted water geyser cool my water down as much as possible, then use a slush geyser to cool it down further, if I need it cooled any further I was going to use an aquatuner submerged in polluted water, and use it to cool down water whilst boiing polluted water.

[Kasuha]

1 minute ago, Neotuck said:

I think it was just set to 1Kg, I wanted to keep the water as cold as possible without freezing so I could grow sleet wheat in a warm environment so my farmers could be comfortable 

Okay I've run the numbers and there doesn't have to be a 'borg cube'effect involved, if you only cool it by 9 C the AETN could provide enough cooling for decent amouts of water. But I would still be interested if it changes if you make that top layer to be nearly full tiles rather than nearly empty, I'd expect at least the doors to be closing much more frequently than they do now.

[TheExceed]

Just now, BlueLance said:

Dont they stop at 95 now? Also if you have a polluted water Geyser, I would be using that to condense the liquid (This solves the first problem of condensing the steam to get as much water out of it as possible. 

Afterwards if you can then deal with cooling the water (Wheezeworts aint gonna cut it unless you have a very very nice system and limit the water with a valve so that you make use of the vents downtime to cool down the water in the pipe, then rinse/repeat) AETN would also be similar, it can cool more, but even at maximum pressure(Unless you use certain "Features") a 20kg tile of hydrogen will rapidly heat up a bigger room will give you a bigger buffer but also increase the time it takes to cool down all that hydrogen,

My plans were to have a Polluted water geyser cool my water down as much as possible, then use a slush geyser to cool it down further, if I need it cooled any further I was going to use an aquatuner submerged in polluted water, and use it to cool down water whilst boiing polluted water.

My steam reaches 101C max.

[Neotuck]

1 minute ago, Kasuha said:

Okay I've run the numbers and there doesn't have to be a 'borg cube'effect involved, if you only cool it by 9 C the AETN could provide enough cooling for decent amouts of water. But I would still be interested if it changes if you make that top layer to be nearly full tiles rather than nearly empty, I'd expect at least the doors to be closing much more frequently than they do now.

I don't have the saved map anymore, this was done before Ranch.  The reason I did less water was I thought it would take less time to cool

[BlueLance]

Just now, TheExceed said:

My steam reaches 101C max.

I was referring to the wheezeworts sorry not the vent. 

[PhailRaptor]

6 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Dont they stop at 95 now? Also if you have a polluted water Geyser, I would be using that to condense the liquid (This solves the first problem of condensing the steam to get as much water out of it as possible.

I'd be careful doing that.  Depending on the related amounts, you might end up converting all your clean H2O income into extra P-H2O.

[BlueLance]

2 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said:

I'd be careful doing that.  Depending on the related amounts, you might end up converting all your clean H2O income into extra P-H2O.

I had meant through pipes/radiator system, not by mixing them directly. I suppose if you wanted to do it without a radiator you could possibly drop the Polluted water in a column which is connected to the geyser room using metal tiles?

I mean a pipe segment is 25kg? Cooled to 30 degrees with 30 degree polluted water flowing through it at 30 degrees, thats a lot of mass, compared to the steam. And again to only condense it you only need the temperature to drop by 10+ degrees.

[Kasuha]

31 minutes ago, TheExceed said:

So basically you have to abuse unnatural mechanics to get useable liquid.

Exploits like borg cube are an option, not a necessity in the game. If you want to use them, if it makes the game more fun for you, it's fine. But a lot of the time, hot water is useable liquid. Electrolyzers, CO2 scrubbers, even lavatories, showers and sinks are fine with hot water. The only place where you likely need using cooled water is your farm, and even there it does not have to be really cold and you can usually substantially reduce number of plants you grow. I can feed 10 dupes with 12 plants easily. And small amount of water does not cost that much to be cooled with aquatuners, which is a legitimate way of cooling in the game.

[TheExceed]

Just now, Kasuha said:

Exploits like borg cube are an option, not a necessity in the game. If you want to use them, if it makes the game more fun for you, it's fine. But a lot of the time, hot water is useable liquid. Electrolyzers, CO2 scrubbers, even lavatories, showers and sinks are fine with hot water. The only place where you likely need using cooled water is your farm, and even there it does not have to be really cold and you can usually substantially reduce number of plants you grow. I can feed 10 dupes with 12 plants easily. And small amount of water does not cost that much to be cooled with aquatuners, which is a legitimate way of cooling in the game.

Yeah, I wanted to start a sleet wheat farm and a bristle farm. Currently using mushrooms but as I start building more stuff, takes away dupe farm times as I am still having a bit of an issue with the priorities. As well as running out of slime. I have a small puft farm but not something to sustain my 15 dupes off for long. I switch from mushrooms to eggs to pepperbread from wild sleet wheat. But I have since dug most as I needed water pretty badly and resorted to melting ice. As well as majority of my cold biomes are field with oxygen and the grains end up spoiling.
I have the water geysers to keep everything going fine, just need to get the water cooled. I will look at your aquatuner set up in a bit, I will likely use that.

[BlueLance]

4 minutes ago, TheExceed said:

Yeah, I wanted to start a sleet wheat farm and a bristle farm.

Try to gauge how much water you actually need, 1 bristle berry farm plot only needs 10kg of water. There is no need to cool massive amounts of water, only enough to stop critical systems failing. Like Kasuha said, sending super cool water to your electrolyzers is a bit of a waste because it will come out hot anyway. 

[TheExceed]

Just now, BlueLance said:

Try to gauge how much water you actually need, 1 bristle berry farm plot only needs 10kg of water. There is no need to cool massive amounts of water, only enough to stop critical systems failing.

10Kg?  I thought it was 20kg

[BlueLance]

Just now, TheExceed said:

10Kg?  I thought it was 20kg

Pretty sure Bristle is 10kg per cycle? It might be 20kg I honestly don't remember haha. 

[TheExceed]

Yeah its 20kg a cycle haha. I personally think plants require far too much water anyway

[BlueLance]

I dont find 20kg that bad? think about it, Kasuhas geyser can support a plant in 1 second. even if that only erupts for 1000 seconds and then goes dormant thats enough to feed 1 plant for 1000 cycles. or obviously less cuz he will have more plants. 

My geyser only gives me 4kg/s but its on for a long time, so for me 5 seconds is 1 plant, I have 24 plants, so I need 480kg which is 120 Seconds. Anything extra can be used for either storage (For when its dormant) or turned into oxygen

[badimo]

14 hours ago, Kasuha said:

That's essentially a Borg Cube.

I thought a Borg Cube was dropping cold water into warmer water.  @Neotuck design (which I use) drops warm water into colder water.  It took my latest version 50+ cycles to get it where I wanted, but it got there eventually.

[avc15]

with my cooling system I just cut into the coolant main, snake a loop of 8-16 tiles of granite pipe through the vent output, set a pressure regulator to kick the cooling supply on at >2kg pressure, and then throttle flowrate to 800g/s. (I find pressure control works best for cool steam to avoid over-cooling, I want my water as close to 99C as possible). 

 

For nat gas, a temp control set to 110C right next to the pump does the trick.

[TheExceed]

4 hours ago, avc15 said:

with my cooling system I just cut into the coolant main, snake a loop of 8-16 tiles of granite pipe through the vent output, set a pressure regulator to kick the cooling supply on at >2kg pressure, and then throttle flowrate to 800g/s. (I find pressure control works best for cool steam to avoid over-cooling, I want my water as close to 99C as possible). 

For nat gas, a temp control set to 110C right next to the pump does the trick.

Why do you want water at 99C

[BlueLance]

26 minutes ago, TheExceed said:

Why do you want water at 99C

Less time and energy spent wasted cooling it when you do not need to?

If its going to an electrolyzer etc then it won't matter as long as it can fit in a liquid pipe, the only time you really need to cool it is if you want to use it to cool your base, or use it for your plants.

[TheExceed]

Just now, BlueLance said:

Less time and energy spent wasted cooling it when you do not need to?

If its going to an electrolyzer etc then it won't matter as long as it can fit in a liquid pipe, the only time you really need to cool it is if you want to use it to cool your base, or use it for your plants.

Well, yeah, I knew about the electrolyzer, you can feed that straight from the geyser.

[Denisetwin]

14 hours ago, badimo said:

I thought a Borg Cube was dropping cold water into warmer water.  @Neotuck design (which I use) drops warm water into colder water.  It took my latest version 50+ cycles to get it where I wanted, but it got there eventually.

No, a borg cube is this:  scroll down to @Saturnus post that says how to build.   I do not like sending hot water to my base for the bathrooms as it heats up the base.  So anything going into the base I want cold.  Keeping cold water going to the electrolizers also seems to make it much easier to get the oxygen cold in other ways as the area is not heated up with the hot water, but that's just my preference.  

 

[avc15]

7 hours ago, TheExceed said:

Why do you want water at 99C

more efficient for electrolyzer input, yeah. Also closer to boiling, I'm still experimenting with heat recovery and steam turbines. It's not a simple puzzle to solve, but coming along.

I don't really get 99C water, closest I've achieved without letting the vent overpressure at all is a bit above 96C. It probably takes a very long time to stabilize though.