Creating perfect vaccum isolation Wall

[Flydo]

So I finnally take the time to made it.

Now this is my tutorial of "How could you make a vacuum Wall to have a perfect isolation with zero heat transfer":

You have two method that I called Manual and Industrial Method (At the end i made inconvenient/avantage):

Both provide perfect isolation with zero heat transfer and allows to build pipes, wires (heavy wire too), rails and tubes inside it, you just need to think about it before to build the wall (I envisage to use this technic to build a vaccum wall with insulated pipe inside to carry very low or very high temperature liquid or gas all around the map with no heat transfer except with the pipe itself but i'm affraid of liquid or gas changin state).

 

Have both vaccum door could be a good idea to save a gas filter, just need to have the same exosuit check point for both

 

EDIT: I just discover that transit tube in vacuum don't transfert heat between two tube crossing (maybe a exploit) best way to go inside a close an isolated cold space to make some change

 

For a vertical wall, all kind of Airlock system works, it look like more difficult when I think about an horizontal wall (or need to built it in a different ways)

A) MANUAL METHOD: You have no so much energy but you have time, sandstone to loose and not afraid of micromanagement :

1) First learn how dude can make a vacuum space:

      a) Make a square without one corner

      b) Deconstruct the tile in the middle (Corner must be accesible)

      c) Build more tiles

      c) Deconstruct again

2) Now build the first normal tile layer of your vacuum wall (i will made this wall from the inside of my base, it's an important point for the build):

3) put the door where you want (it's important cause when it's done it's could be very difficult to add one)

4) Build the second Layer of normal tile

5) Begin by descontruct all the corner going to the outside (very important if you don't do you will never make a perfect vacuum wall and you will probably see it too late)

6) Construct new tile

7) Deconstruct the tile next to the vaccum one

8) Repeat step 6 & seven to the end

B) Industrial Method: You have so much energy that you don't care or you hate micromanagement:

1) Build the two layer normal tile wall (Don't forget to let a two tile empty)

2) Build a Mechanized Airlock (Next or in the empty space you left, it depends of the looking you want at the end and if you agree to loose some metal with a door, see 3) )

3) Made a room with a pump, gas pipe, electric wire (only for the pump), automation wire (for the pump and the door)

Thanks to Kasuha for the first image, it's his idea to make another looking like this

 

On 31/03/2018 at 10:05 AM, Kasuha said:

You can put the door one more tile to the right. Then after you deconstruct the pump, lock the door, and build the remaining two tiles of the wall behind the door through corners above and below the door. Then you can remove the door, too.

Personally I don't like making vacuum with pumps if not necessary. It takes a long time and lots of power, I prefer giving up on a little sandstone over that.

 

4) Turn on the pump and the door by the switch (the automation wire alone put a NO signal so you can put it when the room is done to launch) and let it doing their job (pump is more efficiency when you put it next to the middle of the wall, i do the mistake so i know it now):

6) When you have a perfect vaccum deconstruct the room to let only the door (if you choose to put the door):

7) Construct the missing tile

8) Deconstruct the door and you finish it

 

C) Technical Wall (only possible with industrial method):

Thank to Sentry NEKO for sharing it

On 04/04/2018 at 1:11 PM, Sentry Neko said:

I have been using the industrial method for a while with a slight change. Instead of one cell, I do two so that I can make a technical floor, where I hide all the wires and most of the pipes. I also leave the gateway in case something needs to be rebuilt.

The perfect vacuum technical floor makes the duplikants happy.

 

C) Avantage/Inconvenient:

It will help you to choose which one you prefer

1) Manual Method:

Avantage:

_ Free of energy

_ Could be build at the beginning of the game

_ Instant vacuum

Inconvenient:

_ Loosing construction material of the tile layer in the middle (but for a big vertical you could recover more of them by making a two waterlock, made vaccum between and desconstruct the tile on the up side, be sure that the job is doing by a dupe that don't fart )

_ Take a lot of micromanagement (could be ameliorate by using priorities smartly but sometimes you can have some surprise

_ Take a lot of works time of dupe (come and go)

_ Need to take care of the corner build

_ Need to build and deconstruct a lot of ladder by micromanagement too

2) Industrial Method:

Avantage:

_ Fast to build

_ Save work time for the dupe to make other think than come and go

_ No loose of material

_ You could build thing inside it other than pipes, wires and rails

Inconvenient:

_ Take energy (more the wall is big more time/energy it's take, seems to be exponential)

_ Could take a lot of cycle to have a perfect vaccum (Pump can only destroy one gas at a time, so number of different pocket of gas you have more time it's take)

_ Need more research

3) Technical Wall:

Same Avantage/Inconvenient that the industrial Method

Avantage:

_Allow you have technical stuff, gas/liquid pipe, power wire and transit tube inside

_ Power wire and transit tube don't transmit heat from one side to the other

_ Empty gas/liquid pipe don't transmit heat either

_ Allow you to make modification inside once it's build

Inconvenient:

_ Need to build a perfect vaccum access (in this case it's could be a good idea to have an exosuit, a timer on the door to make sure the dupe make the job and probably too have some conveyor receptor to avoid dupe need to go in or out, it's up to you to see how you want the job to be done )or to remade vaccum inside once the modification is done

_ Transmit heat if gas/liquip pipe carry some gas/liquid

_ Liquid and gas can randomly break in vacuum cause that liquid and gas change state,  in vaccum gas/liquid can reach absolute zero cause of a bug or by changing state

_ You need to take care of the material construction temperature of your pipe to avoid changing state (or you can pass a fluid throught it to choose temperature)

 

Nota: I probably forgot some avantages/inconvenients, precisions, mistakes, please feel free to share it if you see somes, I will add it to this tutorial (you could also correct my english grammar, I know I made a lot of big mistakes when I write in English). Don't hesitate to point out what you see

[Oozinator]

^^

 

[Flydo]

10 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

^^

Didn't see it, i think most of play know this trick, but it's only one sides when you will dig in the other side you will loose insulation. And the industrial method is more realistic

 

[Repseki]

2 hours ago, Flydo said:

_ Loosing construction material of the tile layer in the middle

You can get all of the materials out, without any type of airlock to gain access to the vacuum, it just takes another level of micro (and some creative door building/destroying in certain situations, depending on how you build your walls).

[Arash70]

Good one, but the thing is all it takes to isolate the base is some abyssalite tiles around it + manual airlocks + good gas pressure or water locks.

 

This is not necessary, but its good to have.

[Flydo]

3 hours ago, Repseki said:

You can get all of the materials out, without any type of airlock to gain access to the vacuum, it just takes another level of micro (and some creative door building/destroying in certain situations, depending on how you build your walls).

I don't see how, could you explain it?

2 hours ago, Arash70 said:

This is not necessary, but its good to have.

Not necessary for isolate your base but it's become a must have when you want to work at very low or very high temperature without loosing energy for nothing

 

It when i beggin to play with purify po2 by made liquid oxygen (not perfect cause is one of the first, i begin with only aby tile, and i remark that i cooling all around the low temperature room)

[Argelle]

6 hours ago, Flydo said:

 

_ Could take a lot of cycle to have a perfect vaccum (take care: More you have different gas inside the wall more time it take, the position of the gas is important too, cause of the gas flow low of the game, game destroy one gas at a time (at the end of a gas it's free of energy but it's a long process: if you have first one tile co2, one tile o2, one tile chlorine and one more of co2, the pump suck the first CO2 gas and destroy it and do the same for next to finish by the last CO2 no matter the pressure of the other gas was and each tile have same gas but in separate tile, game take it like it's different gas, I discover it when I making this tutorial)

 

Sorry, I do not understand this loong sentence.

Be careful if different gas... and... ?

(otherwise it's a very nice and idiot-like-me proof post, I bet it will come handy in my games)

[Flydo]

Sorry i'm not good at english.

 

imagine = is the vaccum wall with one tile gas inside | is a closed end and * i the pomp

|====*   if you have only one gas, make vacuum take a time we call "t"

 

but if you have two different gas inside the vaccum wall, make vacuum take more than 2t

if you have carbon on the first tile two hydrogen at the middle and carbon next to the put, make vacuum take more than 3t

 

I don't know the exact time but i see that with one  tile layer of gas, the game need to destroy gas one by one, and one of the longest part is when gas become to mcg pressure and slowly disapear, but one gas at a time...

 

[DyingCrow]

I call these vacuum moats, and they have their uses. They will surely have a use if abyssalite ever gets nerfed. 

Id say that if you dont have some meager 240w to spare on pump for this purpose, or 60w for a mini pump, youre doing something wrong  

[Flydo]

2 hours ago, DyingCrow said:

I call these vacuum moats, and they have their uses. They will surely have a use if abyssalite ever gets nerfed. 

Id say that if you dont have some meager 240w to spare on pump for this purpose, or 60w for a mini pump, youre doing something wrong  

I used to do the Manual Method, i just find the new method recently and they don't need the same technology (i will add this)

 

Just want to test what is possible in survival and two method is better than once

[Sentry Neko]

I have been using the industrial method for a while with a slight change. Instead of one cell, I do two so that I can make a technical floor, where I hide all the wires and most of the pipes. I also leave the gateway in case something needs to be rebuilt.

The perfect vacuum technical floor makes the duplikants happy.

[Flydo]

6 hours ago, Sentry Neko said:

I have been using the industrial method for a while with a slight change. Instead of one cell, I do two so that I can make a technical floor, where I hide all the wires and most of the pipes. I also leave the gateway in case something needs to be rebuilt.

The perfect vacuum technical floor makes the duplikants happy.

I just begin to work on that too,  cause it's usefull, only must take care of bug pipe that cooling down to absolute zero sometimes when you have few quantity inside.

 

Thank for sharing, your design looks fine

 

Also i could say now that inside technical wall you can add a transit tube, transit tube don't transmit heat in vacuum

[Flydo]

On 04/04/2018 at 1:11 PM, Sentry Neko said:

I have been using the industrial method for a while with a slight change. Instead of one cell, I do two so that I can make a technical floor, where I hide all the wires and most of the pipes. I also leave the gateway in case something needs to be rebuilt.

Just want to add a point,

You can also made thing like this with gas pipe liquid pipe and power wire to choose the way you construct your pipe after you made the vacuum, game allows you if you have gas pipe next to each other to connect it after without help of your dude

i really think i wi ll use your design cause it have the same width and high that my vacuum airlock so the final result look a little better:

I see that you have also put a mini gas pump inside, did you make vaccum with it? if yes, did it take a long time in comparaison of a normal gas pump?

And also (if you know, in the other case i will test it later), did empty gas/liquid pipe or wire transfer heat from one side to the other one? (i really need to know before to choose to make this kind of wall)

[Kasuha]

24 minutes ago, Flydo said:

I see that you have also put a mini gas pump inside, did you make vaccum with it?

I used the mini pump to make vacuum just yesterday so it does work, it just takes longer because you can easily get 2-4 kg of gas even in the two tiles the pump occupies and it only draws gas by 50 g. So it may take about a minute to make the vacuum for the small pump while the large one can have it done in a few seconds.

[Flydo]

1 hour ago, Kasuha said:

I used the mini pump to make vacuum just yesterday so it does work, it just takes longer because you can easily get 2-4 kg of gas even in the two tiles the pump occupies and it only draws gas by 50 g. So it may take about a minute to make the vacuum for the small pump while the large one can have it done in a few seconds.

Thank for the info. For the heat transfer, i just test it and it's okay pipe gas wire etc don't transmit heat, I had the technical wall to the tuto

 

I thinking about making two vaccum door by wall, one for the entrance and one for the exit so with that i can save 120 W energy due to gas filter and but sure, if the gas is the same each side, that heat don't transfer, just to think about how i put the exosuit dock if i need one to be for the two entrance. I will be happy to begin again my base, i have so much idea for a better looking now

[Sentry Neko]

23 hours ago, Flydo said:

I see that you have also put a mini gas pump inside, did you make vaccum with it? if yes, did it take a long time in comparaison of a normal gas pump?

Yes it is. As already said above - a large pump cope with pumping air much better. I used a small one only because it can be rotated, which was necessary for me to build a ventilation system.
On the technical floor, I have the main oxygen supply system, and I can't allow other gases to enter it. And in the case as in screenshot below, you could still build a bridge...

... but sometimes in my colony there are such branching pipes, and to place here also a large pump can be problematic.

[Flydo]

21 hours ago, Sentry Neko said:

LOL What a mess, it look difficult to made some modification now