Cooling Gas

[Oni Noob]

I am currently making NG but its too hot how can I cool it down, fast.. Any exploits are welcomed 

 

[Flydo]

No need a exploit for this, made a room full of hydrogen, cooling it down with weezeworth and pump it trought your room of natural gas with granite gas pipe (make snake gas pipe inside the room)

and the hydrogen coming back to your h2 room (with a so hot temperature made a thermoswitch in your h2 room to stop pumping if h2 become too hot

[Kabrute]

ok so your cooking oil, awesome, what I do is set up a tube that my oil is piped down  put the gas pump in the end the oil is coming in at, about halfway to the heat the oil should be dripping onto a floor headed for that hotspot you have shown, the spot it drips from the tube is the spot it should be turning to the yellow fluid(petroleum) , normally put statues in the tube to tie the fluid to the air, make the tube left-right 38 spaces long,  and have it hook into that room from the left or the right.  Whichever side your put this room, at the other end is where the gas pump will go, it will be kept cool by the incoming oil.

 

or stick a tepidzier in the room made of copper hook a not gate up to itself with a filter set to 6 seconds and a buffer set to 2 in the not gates feedback loop.  then run the notgates input to the tepidizer this should have it run very rarely.  Now hear me out, you aren't adding heat if the tepidizer glitches the heat down to 125c.......

I say glitch but it is a hard coded effect of the machine because of the above oil cooker

[Oni Noob]

The design is quite interesting ill to copy it. Thanks

[Oni Noob]

So instead of dripping the oil into lava I should use heat up metal plate instead??

[Kabrute]

neither, sorta both, combine the old style with the new, the new way it the bottlocookonator

 

so when you mix elements of the 2, say a vertical tungsten rail the dupes deliver magma too and dig back out occaisonally, as your hot side for cooking oil into gas, with your pump at the other end of the tube.

[Oni Noob]

This one easier to follow. So when they drop the bottle of magma you can still cook oil with it. Not sure whats the advantage though when its in the bottle

Do you think dipcooling would work on cooling my gas by running a radiotor pipes to the environment?

[Oozinator]

4 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

This one easier to follow. So when they drop the bottle of magma you can still cook oil with it. Not sure whats the advantage though when its in the bottle

Do you think dipcooling would work on cooling my gas by running a radiotor pipes to the environment?

The advantage of it, is in the startpost, answered some questions there.
Dripcooling liquid could work easy, when you combine it with metalplates to one side of your chamber (i would choose top), to cool it down and suck it out with a pump.
Melt some plastic and use drip cooling with naptha..

[Oni Noob]

So the best setup is the dripcooling room must be adjacent(top) to my room full of hot gas?? Whats the advantage of using naptha to oil? does it have higher condensation(Sorry I haven't checked)?

[Oozinator]

32 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

(Sorry I haven't checked)?

You should, when you want to understand that "strange" stuff.
Yes values are different, in that cooler case better. Try to guess why.
And no "top" is not always the best place. Depends of space and other cool stuff. Heat is not raising up in ONI, keep that in mind..
^^

[Luminite2]

13 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Heat is not raising up in ONI, keep that in mind..

Hot gases will not rise above cold gases, true, but hot gases will transfer their heat upwards considerably faster than downwards or sideways, meaning that while the hot gases may not rise, the actual heat does.

 

EDIT: Here's the science performed by @Kasuha confirming this (assuming it hasn't changed since then):

 

[Neotuck]

3 minutes ago, Luminite2 said:

Hot gases will not rise above cold gases, true, but hot gases will transfer their heat upwards considerably faster than downwards or sideways, meaning that while the hot gases may not rise, the actual heat does.

When I get home today I'm going to test this

[Oozinator]

9 minutes ago, Luminite2 said:

Hot gases will not rise above cold gases, true, but hot gases will transfer their heat upwards considerably faster than downwards or sideways, meaning that while the hot gases may not rise, the actual heat does.

 

EDIT: Here's the science performed by @Kasuha confirming this (assuming it hasn't changed since then):

 

 

4 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

When I get home today I'm going to test this

Mhh in my example not. Pressure 1 kg o² hot stuff added, count tiles heatspread?

[Luminite2]

1 minute ago, Oozinator said:

 

Mhh in my example not. Pressure 1 kg o² hot stuff added, count tiles heatspread?

You're gonna have to do a much more scientific experiment to conclude anything relevant. Try to reproduce what Kasuha did.

[Oozinator]

Just now, Luminite2 said:

You're gonna have to do a much more scientific experiment to conclude anything relevant.

Are we still talking about a game? ^^
 

[Kasuha]

1 hour ago, Oozinator said:

Mhh in my example not. Pressure 1 kg o² hot stuff added, count tiles heatspread?

Hey, thanks for heads up. I tried to replicate and while I must confirm that heat still does propagate upwards faster than downwards, it behaves differently than back then and sideways propagation seems to surpass both upwards and downwards propagation.

[Denisetwin]

21 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

it behaves differently than back then and sideways propagation seems to surpass both upwards and downwards propagation.

which totally explains the odd heatmap I noticed in my latest base.  Thanks all for doing the experiments and sharing!

[Oozinator]

1 hour ago, Kasuha said:

.. it behaves differently than back then..

For sure, gases too.
Here one strange "new" thing for me with gas behaviour.
Standard door compressor, from top to bottom door.
Whole room filled with 1kg hydro (before started) and after some cycles..
Edit: Perhaps i only changed the timer of the sequence and did it different, then last time.

[Oni Noob]

I am a little bit lost. So where should I place the Borg Cube

[Flydo]

12 hours ago, Kasuha said:

Hey, thanks for heads up. I tried to replicate and while I must confirm that heat still does propagate upwards faster than downwards, it behaves differently than back then and sideways propagation seems to surpass both upwards and downwards propagation.

10 hours ago, Oozinator said:

For sure, gases too.
Here one strange "new" thing for me with gas behaviour.
Standard door compressor, from top to bottom door.
Whole room filled with 1kg hydro (before started) and after some cycles..
Edit: Perhaps i only changed the timer of the sequence and did it different, then last time.
 

 

Sure it' work since a long time now, but thank for remember it to me, it's logical and have sense in real world so i will look if i can use it for storage, maybe i don't have to liquified chlorine to stock it

[Pan_opticon]

How much heat one wheezewort can get rid of?

How many wheezeworts I need to put in a room with, say, an aquatuner, to completely counter its heating?

[Oozinator]

1 hour ago, Flydo said:

.. it's logical and have sense in real world so i will look if i can use it for storage..

Do it, but it's not realistic for me, even when a compressor is a cool thing in ONI.
It acts completely different. Hard to describe for me, but when you change buffer delay, you could watch, how "pressure" is working in oni and that is not realistic. Not sure, if a thing like "real pressure" exists in ONI.
You can store liquids same way, but use one row airtiles around, or tiles will break (pressure damage)
.Very weird results sometimes, when compressing mixed gases.
 

[Flydo]

36 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Do it, but it's not realistic for me, even when a compressor is a cool thing in ONI.

A compressor or vaccum maker didn't work in a so much different way in real life, is just a good turbine in most of the case (except that compression make heat [PV=nRT] and change the liquid/gas state)

[Oozinator]

4 minutes ago, Flydo said:

A compressor or vaccum maker didn't work in a so much different way in real life, is just a good turbine in most of the case (except that compression make heat [PV=nRT] and change the liquid/gas state)

Here a liquid compressor, when you remove the both airtiles in the "passage" you have a high mass water moving pump thing, without much compression ^^

[Luminite2]

6 hours ago, Pan_opticon said:

How much heat one wheezewort can get rid of?

How many wheezeworts I need to put in a room with, say, an aquatuner, to completely counter its heating?

Wheezewort cooling depends on the gas it's in. Best is hydrogen at at least 1000g/ tile. Wheezeworts cool 1000g/s of gas by 5 Kelvin (same as 5 C here). Specific heat capacity of hydrogen is 2.4 (J/g)/K, so 1000g/s * 5K * 2.4 (J/g)/K = 12,000 Watts of cooling.

Aquatuners also depend on what you're cooling. Let's assume water, with a specific heat capacity of 4.179 (J/g)/K. Aquatuners cool 10,000 g/s by 14K, and take all of that heat into themselves. So, 10,000 g/s * 14K * 4.179 (J/g)/K = 585,060 Watts.

So, 585,060 / 12,000 = 48.755 wheezeworts in hydrogen required to cool one aquatuner cooling water.

The takeaway is that you can't cool an aquatuner with wheezeworts. You should cool them with liquid, and do something with the heated liquid.