Whoneedspacee Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-OGHqbq8kU A video using the strategy ---- Complete Dragonfly Guide ---- https://pastebin.com/raw/zifBSj5C Hopefully wasn't too cringe or difficult to understand. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korlie Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 After watching the video I went out and tried it myself since I've never really been able to do it before and I eventually died because she just went into a loop of perpetually spawning lavae no matter what I did. So the only way to make the fight actually advance properly is to specifically kill the last lavae yourself? Otherwise it's a 50/50 chance the game will break and she'll just repeat the spawn cycle again. And you actually need to keep track of what wave it is since the amount spawned increases by one every wave, so the last lavae you need to kill changes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, 657866_1452791454 said: Hopefully wasn't too cringe Sorry, but there was a lot of cringe. Dragonfly is actually a female. That, and the formatting could use some fixing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Korlie said: After watching the video I went out and tried it myself since I've never really been able to do it before and I eventually died because she just went into a loop of perpetually spawning lavae no matter what I did. So the only way to make the fight actually advance properly is to specifically kill the last lavae yourself? Otherwise it's a 50/50 chance the game will break and she'll just repeat the spawn cycle again. And you actually need to keep track of what wave it is since the amount spawned increases by one every wave, so the last lavae you need to kill changes. Yes you specifically have to kill the last lavae before it dies naturally because of a bug in the game. I doubt it will ever be fixed, but this strategy works around it quite nicely. Yes you have to keep track of the last lavae, and pan flute after they've spawned every lavae except one. This loses dragonfly's aggro so you can run away from where they're spawning the lavae, and then wait until all the other lavae die naturally. Then the last lavae should come running at you and you can easily kill it alone before it dies naturally. The 50/50 chance is every time the last lavae of a wave dies naturally, so yes you can get screwed like 20 times in a row, or it can enrage the first time, shouldn't happen if you kill it yourself. 7 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said: Sorry, but there was a lot of cringe. Dragonfly is actually a female. That, and the formatting could use some fixing. Damn, no idea how to fix it, I'd just read the pastebin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread3ddie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Nice one! I admire the brave absence of armor or healing items to prove your point! Not long ago I tried a somewhat similar strategy, but it would simplify the whole fight by replacing the "dancing around lavae" part for a "let the dumb lavae get stuck in walls". Yours require a bit more of practice / skill, but is great for an early game as all one needs is the pan flute if kited right. Thanks for sharing! Suggestion: create a Steam Guide for it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 A sound strategy, except for the requirement of a pan flute. That gives you the net gain of -1 green gems, since you now need to craft a deconstruction staff in order to restore the flute's duration, since there's a very limited number of pan flutes possible in the game. I like the strategy where you block lavae with walls, and tank the dragonfly until they're stunned so they don't get enraged. ...actually I like the strategy of using 7 and 13 gunpowder to farm scales. Then 4 stacks of 40 along with 4 sleep darts. I want to see someone fight her in the rain, with stacks of water balloons to calm her rage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, kertinker said: A sound strategy, except for the requirement of a pan flute. That gives you the net gain of -1 green gems, since you now need to craft a deconstruction staff in order to restore the flute's duration, since there's a very limited number of pan flutes possible in the game. It not like you use up a whole flute each time. A single flute should last you for about 3 fights. And you're getting 1-2 green gems per kill. So it's still a profit (assuming you actually kill her and not end up wasting the flute's uses). If you really don't want to use the flute then there's always sleep darts. Usually they're so niche they don't even cross my mind, but they should work well here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: It not like you use up a whole flute each time. A single flute should last you for about 3 fights. And you're getting 1-2 green gems per kill. So it's still a profit (assuming you actually kill her and not end up wasting the flute's uses). If you really don't want to use the flute then there's always sleep darts. Usually they're so niche they don't even cross my mind, but they should work well here. In the video, 70% of a pan flute was used. He has to use it twice every time the dragonfly spits lavae, once right before the last lavae is spawned, and once afterwards to calm her rage. And sleep darts aren't so great. You need 4 of them to put the dragonfly to sleep, whereas the pan flute does it in one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1016999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, kertinker said: In the video, 70% of a pan flute was used. He has to use it twice every time the dragonfly spits lavae, once right before the last lavae is spawned, and once afterwards to calm her rage. And honestly I don't know why more people don't use sleep darts. They're renewable, easy to get if you play Wickerbottom, and don't drain your sanity to use. Pan Flute's better of course, but... only against a lot of mobs. Bosses could be felled with a sleep dart just as effectively as playing a pan flute, I'd think. The reason for the pan flute is that it's easily found by the glommer statue. You could very well use anything else for this strategy, this is just meant to emulate day 1 gear. As for "wasting" the pan flute, I don't even use it on anything much besides this fight. There's no real point to using it for any other boss besides Klaus krampus horde. The idea behind the strategy is you can easily kill Dragonfly day 1 and just be done with it, on top of having a nice bunch of gems. I don't really care mostly about green gems since deconstruction is for thulecite or a couple items like the pan flute or the butterfly saddle. I'd much prefer yellow gems for the star callers staff and magiluminesence which is nice for exploring the ruins and fighting bosses in the cold (fuelweaver speedruns, klaus), and also moon callers staff. You could very well deconstruct a pan flute 5 times with one staff which takes 2 green gems. I think after 5 Dragonfly kills you will most likely have made it back times over, which would take you 100 days to do anyways. There are better strategies for cheesing, there are many other items to do this strategy with rather than the pan flute, I just think there's many interesting fights solo in these bosses and people waste so much armor and thulecite crowns and other things just face tanking them down and it makes me sad. To each their own though, I'm not trying to be an elitist, I just find it nice to be able to say "I can fight this boss at any point," it makes me feel good that I could take on the boss if I wanted to and it wouldn't take tons of preparation. I don't take worlds to the end game, I don't have over 400 days in any world, I don't like to speedrun because it requires spending hours for the one interesting part, the boss. This is why I do speedkills and just showcase boss strategies. It's the most fun part of the game for me. You're all probably better than me at building a lasting base. I don't normally showcase boss strategies but this is pretty easy to understand and perform so I thought I'd show it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, 657866_1452791454 said: You could very well deconstruct a pan flute 5 times with one staff which takes 2 green gems. I think after 5 Dragonfly kills you will most likely have made it back times over, which would take you 100 days to do anyways. Okay, yes that's fair. What happens after 100 days, though? A new year, means...? 9 minutes ago, 657866_1452791454 said: his is just meant to emulate day 1 gear. Yes, that makes sense. You can't kill the dragonfly forever with a pan-flute, but you can probably kill it enough to get the green gems, before your world runs out of mandrakes. Then you're golden. And if you're just talking about the very first fight, I'd have to agree there's no better way than that pan flute, provided you're good at kiting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 52 minutes ago, kertinker said: Okay, yes that's fair. What happens after 100 days, though? A new year, means...? Yes, that makes sense. You can't kill the dragonfly forever with a pan-flute, but you can probably kill it enough to get the green gems, before your world runs out of mandrakes. Then you're golden. And if you're just talking about the very first fight, I'd have to agree there's no better way than that pan flute, provided you're good at kiting. Just deconstruct the pan flute to get the mandrake back, it's cheap as hell. You only need to do this early game strategy once but it's do-able infinitely with deconstruction and it's more fun than cheesing the boss. The 100 days thing was just implying over a long ass time period how long a deconstruction staff and one pan flute will last you for this strategy, it's viable. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, kertinker said: You can't kill the dragonfly forever with a pan-flute, but you can probably kill it enough to get the green gems, before your world runs out of mandrakes. I'm not sure you understand how the deconstruction staff works. If you use it on a pan flute at 10%, you still get the mandrake back. So you just craft a new one using that mandrake for a new flute at 100%. And you can repeat that indefinitely as long as you don't break the flute. That, and Klaus can also drop mandrakes, but that's a bit unreliable. So even if you run out, they are technically still renewable. But it's better to just not break the flute in the first place. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said: I'm not sure you understand how the deconstruction staff works. I understand how it works. I'm saying until you have one such staff, you are going to lose pan flutes. If OP's video is accurate, you could lose 1 pan flute, to get the 2 green gems needed (assuming you didn't get green gems from the ruins), but since there're more mandrakes, you can start deconstructing the next pan flute. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, kertinker said: I understand how it works. I'm saying until you have one such staff, you are going to lose pan flutes. If OP's video is accurate, you could lose 1 pan flute, to get the 2 green gems needed (assuming you didn't get green gems from the ruins), but since there're more mandrakes, you can start deconstructing the next pan flute. Dragonfly respawns only every 20 days though, you could easily get a deconstruction staff in time to pull off the same strategy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, 657866_1452791454 said: Dragonfly respawns only every 20 days though, you could easily get a deconstruction staff in time to pull off the same strategy. Yeah, from the ruins, or a tumbleweed if you don't mind harvesting 3,466 tumbleweeds in order to have a 50% chance of finding a green gem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I don't understand what the problem is anymore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bubbainpa Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, kertinker said: Yeah, from the ruins, or a tumbleweed if you don't mind harvesting 3,466 tumbleweeds in order to have a 50% chance of finding a green gem. But the dragonfly usually drops at least one green gem per battle, so given enough fights, you’ll eventually even out. Also you’ve got around 5 other mandrakes in the world that can be forged into panflutes anyways. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sicko Hog Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 i see no point in arguing about stuff like the ruins with somebody who has a critter avatar tbh Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 hours ago, kertinker said: Yeah, from the ruins, or a tumbleweed if you don't mind harvesting 3,466 tumbleweeds in order to have a 50% chance of finding a green gem. You do realize Dragonfly is the best consistent source of these gems? He drops at least 1 of like every type of gem, sometimes 2. Manage to get your hands on one deconstruction staff for 2 green gems, and now you''re funded for an extra 5 Dragonfly fights. You'll easily make back the two green gems and more, get tons of red, blue, purple, orange, and yellow. Might get a shot at that lavae egg too. At minimum, even not counting the first fight, one deconstruction staff if you are very unlucky with drops, will give you 5 green gems which leaves 3 green gem profit to leave 2 to make another staff for the pan flute. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekay Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I’ve tried to figure out the logic behind Dragonfly in the past but I wasn’t familiar enough with the LUA language or the DST codebase. What you present here though confirms the random nature of DF enraging I observed. 50/50 chance eh if Lavae die naturally? As a speed runner I assume you’ve seen the DF speed run by JoeShmoCoolStuff from a couple years ago and I’ve always wondered why DF never enrages for him. Did he just get lucky or did the codebase for DF change afterward? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Dekay said: I’ve tried to figure out the logic behind Dragonfly in the past but I wasn’t familiar enough with the LUA language or the DST codebase. What you present here though confirms the random nature of DF enraging I observed. 50/50 chance eh if Lavae die naturally? As a speed runner I assume you’ve seen the DF speed run by JoeShmoCoolStuff from a couple years ago and I’ve always wondered why DF never enrages for him. Did he just get lucky or did the codebase for DF change afterward? Code for DF changed I'm certain. Old Dragonfly was easier than current in some ways. The old Dragonfly's lavae didn't die naturally so people would just do what Joe did which seemed pretty OP because he'd just fight Dragonfly with a single lavae up. Dragonfly was pretty easy before they died naturally. For me personally I haven't seen a strategy like mine yet which allows you to solo Dragonfly on day 1 since said update, which was why I wanted to share it so much. Also I noticed the Dragonfly random enraging like a year ago while trying to come up with a strategy for Dragonfly solo, and found there was only one thread on it in existence for bug reports plus a few people noticing. My bet is barely anyone fights Dragonfly without walls, etc, so they've never encountered or noticed it. I've made two threads on it, one ages ago and recently made that thread with a mod to change it, all it does is change one line of code and the boss works perfectly fine enraging normally. I'd be fine with a 50/50 chance or even less to enrage as it'd encourage less running around until the lavae die for cheesing the enrage, but my bets are it won't be changed and the code will just remain unintuitive and confusing. I don't mind the current mechanics they just make no sense when you look at the code trying to find a consistent method to have Dragonfly enrage. I pretty much just looked at the only other bug thread about it to find out what was wrong and it was pretty obvious even coming from someone who didn't know anything about DST coding or lua and was only familiar with Java. I've posted a couple times and they don't even seem to care which makes sense I guess, it only affects a few people like you and me. I don't really care about the bug anymore anyways, this strategy was created specifically to stop that from happening. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Whoneedspacee said: For me personally I haven't seen a strategy like mine yet which allows you to solo Dragonfly on day 1 since said update, which was why I wanted to share it so much. It's impossible to kill the dragonfly on day 1 though. Well, not legitimately at least. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoneedspacee Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: It's impossible to kill the dragonfly on day 1 though. Well, not legitimately at least. I meant start the fight on day 1, should've clarified what I meant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1017528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
csc_unit Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 9:44 PM, kertinker said: you could lose 1 pan flute, to get the 2 green gems needed I think the bit of info you are lacking (no shame on that) is that one panflute has 10 uses and a DF kill takes 3 to 4 uses. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1018864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertinker Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 11:46 AM, Whoneedspacee said: You do realize Dragonfly is the best consistent source of these gems? Yes, I realize this. And if you spend 1.4 pan flutes in order to kill two dragonflies for guaranteed 2 green gems, then you lose 1 pan flute before you can deconstruct it. If you get green gems from a "worst" source first, you save the first pan flute. Which is kind of dumb considering you can afford to lose one pan flute, if you'll be able to reconstruct another one after that forevermore. I was just remarking that maybe if you were going to explore the ruins already, you might not have to lose the first pan flute. For one-off boss rush speed runs, it'd be extra dumb to spend a lot of time avoiding wasting "irreplacable" resources. On 3/24/2018 at 1:55 AM, csc_unit said: I think the bit of info you are lacking (no shame on that) is that one panflute has 10 uses and a DF kill takes 3 to 4 uses. I saw the video. When the dragonfly died, the panflute had only 3 uses left. Was OP using the pan flute too much? I mean, you could quench the enraged state with water balloons, instead of panfluting her. Is that what you do, to reduce the amount of panflute uses down to 3 or 4 instead of 7 or 8? Might take a while to hunt a dozen or so mosquitos. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/88802-thought-some-might-be-interested-in-this-dragonfly-strategy/#findComment-1023327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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