Job mastering speed tested

[travaldofan]

I did research about the job mastering speed so here it is

Mi-ma(no interest in dig)   - Digging +5, Learning +0

Turner(no interest in dig)  - Digging +0, Learning +5

Bubbles(interest in dig)    - Digging +0, Learning +0

On debug mode, only digging 1000 kg dirt. They were resting at night and eating.

Day 5 Bubbles was the first one to done with training , but her total tiles digging was around 600 tiles, right after Bubbles Mi-ma was done with training (almost same time), But Mi-ma was digging around 900 tiles (i lost count on how much, Mi-ma was just too fast), for early game i think good digging stat with interest in dig will save to colony. Day 6 almost over finally Turner done with training. But other two already training miner with 5% and 6%. In long run obviously Turner will outscale them, but still mining wise Mi-ma and Bubbles were doing the job especially Mi-ma. Interest is not that important for speed of mastering job, stats still better, but if u want "good digger" good stat on digging and has interest in dig will do the job.

Final result

Mi-ma(no interest in dig)    - Digging +8, Learning +0, Day 5 mastered Apprentice miner

Turner(no interest in dig)   - Digging +5, Learning +5, Day 6 mastered Apprentice miner

Bubbles(interest in dig)      - Digging +4, Learning +0, Day 5 mastered Apprentice miner

 (Bad english sorry)

 

[travaldofan]

ran the test again

and exactly 1000 tiles of dirt is required to master Apprentice miner for Mi-ma, interesting part is Bubbles who has interest in digging needed 750 to master the job, Turner needed about 900 tiles to master the job and turner is 8 tile faster than Bubbles. Still Mi-ma is the fastest digger. 

 

[SamLogan]

Thanks, interesting work.

[travaldofan]

more interesting fact is even if my digger was doing nothing they were mastering digging job. but i ALT+Z so maybe bug 

[Parusoid]

@travaldofan

I bet you didnt account the fact that you also gain mastery passively (without having to perform job related task)

[Kermack]

So what does this mean for the learning ability by itself now?  Does learning affect the learning speed of all skills still and would that mean starting dupes with higher learning skill would be able to master various jobs quicker instead of just the one specialty interest?

[Kuirem]

Learning increase Skill progression, not job progression.

It does increase job progression indirectly because they will get level in the skill related to the job faster.

[SkunkMaster]

22 minutes ago, Kuirem said:

Learning increase Skill progression, not job progression.

It does increase job progression indirectly because they will get level in the skill related to the job faster.

I think his point is that: short term interest and skill in given stat for work is best, but that high learners are still king long term, since they will reach the stat cap of 20 faster.

[travaldofan]

On 2/25/2018 at 6:49 AM, Kermack said:

So what does this mean for the learning ability by itself now?  Does learning affect the learning speed of all skills still and would that mean starting dupes with higher learning skill would be able to master various jobs quicker instead of just the one specialty interest?

learning only makes them level up their skill faster than others, but it does not make mastering job faster. 

So if you want to play like 2000 cycle u want only learning high dupes, but if u want fast pace game you want dupe that only do one job very well, with new job system it makes it even faster and easier, but don't forget the stress and food quality.

[Lacost]

Is there a difference between Dupes with Mole Hands and Dupes that outright have a high skill level to start with?

 

Let's say one Dupe has +3 Digging from Mole Hands and +2 Digging from skill.

2nd Dupe has +5 Digging from skill.

 

Will both have the same digging level (+5) at the end of the test period or will the first Dupe level up faster because the initial skill is lower?

[LegendarySJ]

5 hours ago, Lacost said:

Is there a difference between Dupes with Mole Hands and Dupes that outright have a high skill level to start with?

 

Let's say one Dupe has +3 Digging from Mole Hands and +2 Digging from skill.

2nd Dupe has +5 Digging from skill.

 

Will both have the same digging level (+5) at the end of the test period or will the first Dupe level up faster because the initial skill is lower?

I could be wrong about this, but I always thought that Dupes will skills like Mole Hands (+ attr skills), level up skills faster because their rate of gain depends on their actual stat without the bonus. So in the case you listed, the Dupe with 5 digging (3 from Mole Hands), would gain skill as if he only had 2 Digging, but would still Dig tiles as if he had 5.

[Surfinite]

Very interested to hear if anyone has some knowledge about this

 

On 27/02/2018 at 3:24 PM, LegendarySJ said:

So in the case you listed, the Dupe with 5 digging (3 from Mole Hands), would gain skill as if he only had 2 Digging, but would still Dig tiles as if he had 5.

 

???

[LegendarySJ]

1 hour ago, Surfinite said:

Very interested to hear if anyone has some knowledge about this

 

???

Should be pretty easy to test in debug mode, but unfortunately I think debug mode is still broken on OSX so I can't test

[travaldofan]

On 2/27/2018 at 5:52 PM, Lacost said:

Is there a difference between Dupes with Mole Hands and Dupes that outright have a high skill level to start with?

 

Let's say one Dupe has +3 Digging from Mole Hands and +2 Digging from skill.

2nd Dupe has +5 Digging from skill.

 

Will both have the same digging level (+5) at the end of the test period or will the first Dupe level up faster because the initial skill is lower?

Mole hands is better, bcs higher the level needs more time to level up(basically leveling  0 to 1 is way faster than  1 to 2), which means mole hands is level up way faster than +5dig

3 hours ago, Surfinite said:

Very interested to hear if anyone has some knowledge about this

 

???

+2 dig skill with +3 mole hands dupe and +5 digging dupe will dig exactly same speed