Narural gas

[Textapchie101]

I have a natural gas gyser, and use it for 4 genarators. The gyser is slowly losing the battle. But I need the 4 gas gens for plastic, oxygen, refinery, and exosuite. Plz help

 

[NekTahiti]

You will need to build something like this. CO2 from the gas generators go to the skimmers, the polluted water goes to the fertilizers that will make you more natural gas. This ratio works perfectly on a single gas geyser. Be careful to use gas valves set to exactly what the natural gas generators need on each pipe "branch" or they won't all work together at once.

[trukogre]

You could use nektahiti's idea,if you want to trade some clean water for more power.  Another idea is to find the other gas geyser, all maps have two, with two geysers you can power 5 1/3 generators.  or you can do both ideas and have all the power.

[PhailRaptor]

From the ONI wiki:

https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Guide/Natural_Gas_Geysers

A single NatGas Geyser will support a combined total of 7 NatGas gens, 16 Fert Synths, and 2 Air Skimmers, all having an uptime of 95.9% or more.  Taking into account the Gas Pump for NatGas collection, and the 2 required Liquid Pumps for the P-H2O and H2O at a minimum, you produce a surplus of 2719 W for other uses.  This doubles to 5438 W if/when you locate and harness the second Geyser elsewhere on the map, though based on location you will likely have to use a separate Gas Pump for it, or you will have to construct a completely separate power plant for it.  Every map is different, and you may have to build around Ruins which will limit your efficient use of space.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Textapchie101 said:

I have a natural gas gyser, and use it for 4 genarators. The gyser is slowly losing the battle. But I need the 4 gas gens for plastic, oxygen, refinery, and exosuite. Plz help

 

Yeah, no. That simply doesn't work. If you are asking to somehow make 4 generators constantly run on 1 single geyser, then the answer is 'impossible'. You can run those 4 for a while until all the reserves are depleted in the gas chamber.

To elaborate: a gas geyser can only sustain 2 and 2/3 gas generators, so an average of 160 g/s. So even 3 gas generators will even eventually drain it. Currently you have a deficit of 80 g/s or 1&1/3 gas generator.

What you need to do, is run 4 fertilizer synthesizers inside the gas chamber. Alternatively, search for the other gas geyser. Also your refinery produces some gas and theoritically can support one additional gas generator, but only when it is being operated.

Like NekTahiti and trukogre mentioned, you can use the fertilizers to massively upscale on power. In my current set up I am able running 11 natural gas generators from 2 natural gas geysers and 17 synthesizers. You can use NekTahiti's example, but a slightly more efficient way is to put 16 synthesizers in the same chamber with natural gas geyser (and place the remaining synthesizer in the other gas geyser chamber). The reason is because your gas pumps can handle up to 500 g/s, so that way it can sustain the maximum amount of gas generators within its capacity (and as NekTahiti mentioned, use gas valves to control the amount of flow each generators gets). My set up generates at 8800W, at a cost of 3480W and some geyser water and tiny bit of polluted water, easily managed by what the gas generators give you. That should be enough to sustain the base, and go for plastic production. You can upscale it even more by building another 15 synthesizers in the other gas geyser chamber if you feel like it. It will cost an additional 1920W and more geyser water for an extra 4000W. But chances are you will not need that extra power.

[LeadfootSlim]

FWIW, Oil Refineries also produce natural gas - so if you're running NGGs to get petroleum/plastic, that should be part of your power plan.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, LeadfootSlim said:

FWIW, Oil Refineries also produce natural gas - so if you're running NGGs to get petroleum/plastic, that should be part of your power plan.

Yes, but only when operated. It's difficult therefore to plan accordingly. Even with priority 9, it will face full downtime during the night and during the day dupes will come and go to operate it, so it faces some downtime as well during the day.

I usually use it to create a bit of a buffer to better avoid downtime on the existing NGG's. It will not on average be sufficient to supply one NGG due the downtime.

[avc15]

14 minutes ago, turbonl64 said:

Yes, but only when operated. It's difficult therefore to plan accordingly. Even with priority 9, it will face full downtime during the night and during the day dupes will come and go to operate it, so it faces some downtime as well during the day.

 

One straightforward solution to this is to set up your oil refinery in its own room. Design it for gravity separation. Set a pressure plate into a pump and filter to ventilate the room and separate gases only while at least one refinery is being operated.

[saltyteabag]

12 hours ago, PhailRaptor said:

From the ONI wiki:

https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Guide/Natural_Gas_Geysers

A single NatGas Geyser will support a combined total of 7 NatGas gens, 16 Fert Synths, and 2 Air Skimmers, all having an uptime of 95.9% or more.

Wow, this totally blew my mind.   But I guess it really does balance out in the end.

I've been running 8 natgas gens off my 2 geysers (barely), by supplementing with the gas from my oil rigs and refineries, as well as some excess I made when I was experimenting with crude oil and magma.  I was also running some fert synths to help out, but turned them off when I started playing with pincha peppers and ran short on polluted water.  I've been feeding my CO2 to slickers because it seems like that's what all the cool kids are doing these days, but ended up with a huge excess of petrol.

I probably won't go as hardcore as the example, but it looks like I can definitely improve my efficiency by channeling at least some CO2 to skimmers, then back to the fert synths.  Even with the tubular update I should be good on plastic for a while.

I'm pretty surprised to find out that there is a wiki with that much detail in it, for a new/early access game like this.

Cheers!

[bzgzd]

14 hours ago, PhailRaptor said:

From the ONI wiki:

https://oxygennotincluded.gamepedia.com/Guide/Natural_Gas_Geysers

A single NatGas Geyser will support a combined total of 7 NatGas gens, 16 Fert Synths, and 2 Air Skimmers, all having an uptime of 95.9% or more. 

 

50 minutes ago, saltyteabag said:

Wow, this totally blew my mind.   But I guess it really does balance out in the end.

Problem is that wiki is unofficial and often has old info.

 

This wiki page is no more correct. (7 NatGas gens, 16 Fert Synths, and 2 Air Skimmers)

Correct numbers now are 12 NatGas gens, 26 Fert Synths, and 4 Air Skimmers (just slightly more than 3 => 3.083...)

The reason is that NatGas geyser is no more emitting 100 g/sec but about 160.714 g/sec

 

[LeadfootSlim]

7 hours ago, avc15 said:

One straightforward solution to this is to set up your oil refinery in its own room. Design it for gravity separation. Set a pressure plate into a pump and filter to ventilate the room and separate gases only while at least one refinery is being operated.

To follow on this, you can have a single exosuit to enter the room, and use a timer to lock a dupe in there all day once they start working.