SchlauFuchs Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Hi, IMHO the Algae Distillery should produce oxygen and coal - when imagining algae as mainly organic matter and water, the suggested ratio would be 90% water and 10% coal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why should it produce coal? It takes millions of years to make coal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 RL algae do not consist of oxygen alone, they consist of organic matter and water. if you deduct the water/oxygen then that what is left is mainly carbon - coal - and trace elements. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 3 hours ago, AlexRou said: Why should it produce coal? It takes millions of years to make coal. Hatch: Hold my beer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, SchlauFuchs said: RL algae do not consist of oxygen alone, they consist of organic matter and water. if you deduct the water/oxygen then that what is left is mainly carbon - coal - and trace elements. Coal is still a hydrocarbon and pure carbon shouldn't burn. Tho I'm totally overthinking a game ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Just now, GiddyGuy said: Hatch: Hold my beer. Hey I only recently found out that hatches make coal! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Coal is still a hydrocarbon and pure carbon shouldn't burn. Tho I'm totally overthinking a game ... lol. coal is pure carbon + mineral ashes. Pure carbon absolutely burns - to pure Carbon dioxide. Man where have you learned chemistry? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, AlexRou said: Tho I'm totally overthinking a game ... I'm sure some people like having realistic elements in games but that usually makes games a bit hard and Klei seems to have both realistic and game logic elements mixed together for fun and balance, even a character from DST/DS brakes the fourth wall and points out how a tool doesn't make sense. 1 minute ago, AlexRou said: Hey I only recently found out that hatches make coal! Oh no I just making fun of that statement since Hatches just make it after eating 3 piece of..."fertilizer" and such, but I must say you are quite more intelligent than I in the chemistry and physics department. 2 minutes ago, SchlauFuchs said: Man where have you learned chemistry? *Silently judges.* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakre18 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I just want to say, along the lines of a machine producing coal...using an air scrubber, it takes CO2 out of the air, and outputs O2 and contaminated water...so couldn't we use that carbon to make more coal instead? We just need a machine that could separate it...like the water purifier, and maybe the game does some magic and gives us coal instead? just a thought, nothing too serious, but it would help our limited coal resources. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 no worries I am liking this game mostly because of the scarcity problems. But coal is something that is very scarce in my games so far and there is no way to generate it so far - unless letting a Hatch is on the loose and my dupes weren't tidy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 23 minutes ago, SchlauFuchs said: lol. coal is pure carbon + mineral ashes. Pure carbon absolutely burns - to pure Carbon dioxide. Man where have you learned chemistry? Pure carbon burns at crazy high temperatures and even the purest coal anthracite contains hydrocarbons. But I think that's enough debating over coal lol. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakre18 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Yeah, i never really use coal because of the scarcity, but in my suggestion, it wouldn't have to be a sustainable amount. The amount of carbon in CO2 isn't much, so it could take a while to build up coal. It just makes it more useful, and we don't have disappearing carbon. It would be cool if contaminated water would show the elements it's contaminated with, with ways in the future to separate it. Assuming heating it into a gas doesn't separate the elements (which it probably could). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 You are right, pure carbon (graphite or diamonds) does not appear usually in nature. But coal is not carbohydrates, that is crude oil and tars. According to wikipedia: Quote Anthracite is the most metamorphosed type of coal (but still represents low-grade metamorphism), in which the carbon content is between 92.1% and 98% You might think about bituminous coal? Quote The carbon content of bituminous coal is around 60-80%; the rest is composed of water, air, hydrogen, and sulphur But the kind of coal I was expecting to get produced in the Algae Dexoidizer is char coal: Quote Charcoal is a lightweight, black residue, consisting of carbon and any remaining ash, obtained by removing water and other volatile constituents from animal and vegetation substances. Charcoal is usually produced by slow pyrolysis- the heating of wood or other substances in the absence of oxygen Charcoal on wiki Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRou Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, SchlauFuchs said: You are right, pure carbon (graphite or diamonds) does not appear usually in nature. But coal is not carbohydrates, that is crude oil and tars. According to wikipedia: You might think about bituminous coal? But the kind of coal I was expecting to get produced in the Algae Dexoidizer is char coal: Charcoal on wiki Yeah I should've used the right words but even at the linked page they have conflicting descriptions of compositions for charcoal. Quote Charcoal contains varying amounts of hydrogen and oxygen as well as ash and other impurities that, together with the structure, determine the properties. The approximate composition of charcoal for gunpowders is sometimes empirically described as C7H4O. I think we should stop here else we're going to fill this thread talking of wtf is coal/charcoal and not about the deoxidizer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Absolutely agree. So back to the original suggestion, what about gaining some coal from the algae deoxidation? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcurad90 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, AlexRou said: Pure carbon burns at crazy high temperatures and even the purest coal anthracite contains hydrocarbons. But I think that's enough debating over coal lol. Hey Pal，you can use smashed coal Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdrazga Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 hour ago, SchlauFuchs said: RL algae do not consist of oxygen alone, they consist of organic matter and water. if you deduct the water/oxygen then that what is left is mainly carbon - coal - and trace elements. The algae in real life really isn't being taken apart into oxygen, its more producing it from the consumption of carbon dioxide like most other plants. Plus the amount of carbon being released would be so tiny in the scheme of everything else like 1 g of coal per 1 year. For the fact that this is a deoxidizer though would more likely it creating co2 rather than 02 with this system if the carbon was being taken out just by the way it would be happening. This kinda is the same thing where it would be such a trace amount that it would not be measurable in the game's time frame. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchlauFuchs Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Technically you are right, but as described in the following chart they have figured it out: They figured out already how to press the water out of the algae biomass then electrolyze the water and destroy the hydrogen and the dry biomass. can they not just char the biomass and spit it out instead of voiding it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/76112-algae-deoxidizer-should-produce-oxygan-and-coal/#findComment-884520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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