Maxwell's Book Reading ability makes Wickerbottom feel less "unique"

[gonz008]

I think that by Giving Maxwell the ability to read Wickerbottom's book, makes him not only unbalanced(OP), but it makes Wickerbottom feel less unique. You could argue that Wickerbottom is more durable, considering she does have twice the health, and 50 more sanity, but:

• Maxwell can have multiple shadows (i think the max is 4), making him just as good of a fighter as any player without a damage boost (wigfrid and Woflgang) as long as maxwell lets his puppets do all the damage/tanking.
• He can easily collect multiple resources at the same time, No other character can do this.
• Sleeping is a way more efficient way to obtain sanity as its unlimited, restores health, This combined with the sanity boost for being dapper eliminates the sanity issues.

The only drawback to playing Waxwell:

• is that he has low HP

------Wickerbottom Specific Perks:--------------------------------------

• Walking Science Machine
• Only one that Can Read and make Books
• High sanity

Wickerbottom Cons:

• No sleeping (health/sanity are harder to manage)
• Can't eat spoiled foods

Having Wickerbottom being the only one able to read books made it unexploitable and created a specific niche fulfilled by her abilityof reading the books, but by having Maxwell being able to read books, it pretty much eliminates the whole "only character to be able to read books". In my opinion. It would be like taking Wigfrid passive (lifesteal) and applying it to Wolfgang because "he hits hard too". Then you could just say "shes still useful, she can make the spears and helmets".

just putting my two cents in  

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[WorstNightmare]

Well you're still forgetting she is the only that can make those books. Him being able to read those books doesn't change wicker's value in any way unless she dies/quit leaving behind her books so at the end of the day wicker is still a requirement. It's just a extra perk that make sense.

[gonz008]

I mean in that same sense why is willow the only one able to use her lighter to cook, when everyone can just carry it? Would Wickerbottom be able to read the Code in that same sense? they're both books right?

[WorstNightmare]

24 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

I mean in that same sense why is willow the only one able to use her lighter to cook, when everyone can just carry it? Would Wickerbottom be able to read the Code in that same sense? they're both books right?

Allowing her to craft from the codex would remove reason you play as him. You can't compare this with him reading her books because he can't craft her books while that would her to craft his. As far as willow only being to use her lighter to cook I have no idea why they decided to only allow her to cook but I assure you, if this was included with everyone that held the lighter it would be the same value to pick willow as it is.

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, WorstNightmare said:

Allowing her to craft from the codex would remove reason you play as him. You can't compare this with him reading her books because he can't craft her books while that would her to craft his. As far as willow only being to use her lighter to cook I have no idea why they decided to only allow her to cook but I assure you, if this was included with everyone that held the lighter it would be the same value to pick willow as it is.

Can't the same be said about Wicker bottom? without Maxwell in the world, There would be no way of having the codex in there? I mean the reason I play Wickerbottom is because of her unique ability to read books and spawn things, control the environment, etc. She has that walking science machine thing, but when I play with others I still need to build an alchemy machine and the only difference you make gameplay wise as wickerbottom is by reading the books. I am curious to know how the devs are going to implement the whole leaving the world with the codex on the ground thing. I bet none else can pick it up besides Maxwell.

 

As far as I know, there is no other character in both the DS, and DST world that can use the perk of another's character's item; noone else can blow balloons, none else can use an infinite axe, noone else gets lifesteal, noone else can upgrade Spider Dens, etc. I dunno man, I just can't think of a reason (other than giving him a slight buff) as to why Maxwell is the exception to this, (in regards to the book reading).  Also I hope the buff up his HP.

[WorstNightmare]

25 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

I am curious to know how the devs are going to implement the whole leaving the world with the codex on the ground thing. I bet none else can pick it up besides Maxwell.

 

As far as I know, there is no other character in both the DS, and DST world that can use the perk of another's character's item; noone else can blow balloons, none else can use an infinite axe, noone else gets lifesteal, noone else can upgrade Spider Dens, etc. I dunno man, I just can't think of a reason (other than giving him a slight buff) as to why Maxwell is the exception to this, (in regards to the book reading).  Also I hope the buff up his HP.

It's possible it will be equal to leaving with books no one can read on the ground, so you can always destroy/burn it if it really bothers you.

I can relate that it is rather odd how Maxwell has the same ability as another character, but I see nothing wrong with it since she is the only one that is capable crafting those books therefore she won't be able to just join drop her books and leave the world more books will always be needed unless chances are you have 40 worth of each but by then a lot of things don't matter anymore such as woodie.

[DwerBomb]

I disagree completely. Instead, it makes Wick more important. With his dapperness, Max recovers sanity really fast, so he can read the books for Wickerbottom. They combo really well together!

[ImDaMisterL]

I agree with @DwerBomb. You know who we should be worrying about? Woodie.

I mean, just look at Maxwell's shadow loggers! They cut wood so, so fast! Woodie got some tough competition...

[gonz008]

1 hour ago, ImDaMisterL said:

I agree with @DwerBomb. You know who we should be worrying about? Woodie.

I mean, just look at Maxwell's shadow loggers! They cut wood so, so fast! Woodie got some tough competition...

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. Is there a Time limit on how long the shadow puppets last?

 

5 hours ago, DwerBomb said:

I disagree completely. Instead, it makes Wick more important. With his dapperness, Max recovers sanity really fast, so he can read the books for Wickerbottom. They combo really well together!

I mean, by that logic, he should be able to blow Wes Ballons, they would make as great as a team as Wickerbottom and Maxwell as they both have low HP and Maxwell would recuperate his Sanity way faster than wes. (13+ sanity/minute with a Tam) .

By and all the the definition of Unique is being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. When two characters share that same perk it does make them less Unique. I wouldn't mind if Maxwell could read the books... if they didn't trigger the books effect, or to a much diminished effect. Much in the way everyone can carry willows lighter, but only she can cook on it. Whats going to stop people from massing multiple books in Wilderness mode, then dying and respawning as maxwell and exploting this? 

As a side note, this would just discourage Wickerbottom from ever reading her books, why not just wait till Maxwell shows up to read your books? (everyone and their mother is gonna want to play as Maxwell). it just makes Wickerbottom a Crappy Wilson that can make books. (since she can't sleep and can't eat spoiled food).

[DwerBomb]

3 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

I mean, by that logic, he should be able to blow Wes Ballons, they would make as great as a team as Wickerbottom and Maxwell as they both have low HP and Maxwell would recuperate his Sanity way faster than wes. (13+ sanity/minute with a Tam) .

No, that's not really the logic I'm following. Wick's books are full of knowledge, and Max loves KNAWLEDGE.

On the other hand, Max hates Wes. And he's too dapper to blow balloons. He's too cool for that.

[ImDaMisterL]

5 minutes ago, gonz008 said:

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. Is there a Time limit on how long the shadow puppets last?

Nope. If I'm not mistaken, the shadow puppets have a health of their own. They only disappear once they're killed.

[WorstNightmare]

9 hours ago, gonz008 said:

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. Is there a Time limit on how long the shadow puppets last?

 

I mean, by that logic, he should be able to blow Wes Ballons, they would make as great as a team as Wickerbottom and Maxwell as they both have low HP and Maxwell would recuperate his Sanity way faster than wes. (13+ sanity/minute with a Tam) .

By and all the the definition of Unique is being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. When two characters share that same perk it does make them less Unique. I wouldn't mind if Maxwell could read the books... if they didn't trigger the books effect, or to a much diminished effect. Much in the way everyone can carry willows lighter, but only she can cook on it. Whats going to stop people from massing multiple books in Wilderness mode, then dying and respawning as maxwell and exploting this? 

As a side note, this would just discourage Wickerbottom from ever reading her books, why not just wait till Maxwell shows up to read your books? (everyone and their mother is gonna want to play as Maxwell). it just makes Wickerbottom a Crappy Wilson that can make books. (since she can't sleep and can't eat spoiled food).

I don't think you are even reading my posts ... regarding wicker's use versus a maxwell she has the same value as before and I honestly think this is one of those things people such as yourself complain about because it's new. Once maxwell settles in you will notice no difference in Wickerbottom's value because as I have said before she will always need for more books regardless and as @DwerBomb have said she actually contributes well alongside him.

 

9 hours ago, DwerBomb said:

No, that's not really the logic I'm following. Wick's books are full of knowledge, and Max loves KNAWLEDGE.

On the other hand, Max hates Wes. And he's too dapper to blow balloons. He's too cool for that.

from the man's quote himself when he inspects one of her books "I think im going to die of boredom" doesn't say he's a big fan of reading, so maybe not love is what gives him power(knowledge) to read enchantment books. 

Max hates Wes? Nooooo wayyyyy nobody hates Wes its a DS rule! "Don't Hate the Mime."

Hah, On a real note though too many comparisons are made to make a point as I've said before somethings make may or may not sense to give other character like Wes balloons, who's to even say he knows how to blow balloons. The ones that make sense I have a good theory (in my opinion) it wasn't implemented for balance reasons or just didn't because the devs do actually make many mistakes and tend for forget things or leave out possibilities.

This will die down like any controversy change in most games, and I can bet on it.

[AnonymousKoala]

I think this works because Wicker still needs to craft them, despite Maxwell also being able to read them.

I mean, the shadow loggers, etc. can be useful for the rest of the server too. But only Maxwell can make them. Lore wise also makes sense as only he and Wickerbottom have this much magic specialty, with her books bending reality, and him...Playing god for the Don't Starve world ever since he's been trapped there. 

edit: accidental quote is accidental