whats the consensus of wendy from chinese players nowadays?

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Cassielu said:

Returning to the topic of Wendy, to a large extent, she is the opposite. Superficially there seem to be many things, but in the end, there are almost no changes in the gameplay. This is somewhat like a classic prank scenario - you make a simple matter overly complicated to confuse someone, and then finally tell them that none of it matters at all. Make this tree particularly irritating.

The only way there are no gameplay changes is if you actively ignore them,

Let's look at her Wraith's Wreath for a second.

here are some of the options you can choose

you get cheap 100 hp healing item

you get a hp shield barrier every 10 seconds which also works on planar damage

one of the best light source head slot items in terms of vision and cost efficiency

Is this what amounts to no gameplay changes? You don't "need" these but the same applies to Wortox for many of his decisions. Perhaps this isn't what you meant so just in case lets look elsewhere. Brews, Blessed sisturn and the Pipspook quest skills are directly equivalent to Wortox's skills of the same naturenmaking ability usage more efficient as well as a full restore for Abigail's level alongside some other passive benefits though it could be argued that sisturn 3 could use some tweaking. I find it hard to imagine these skills aren't impacting your gameplay unless you actively avoid using potions at all. The grave skills also has various uses including removing the act of traveling to gravestones for pipspooks to adding a new minion who can be used in mob farms. This could be seen as not very game changing but I feel like this varies from person to person. I can concede that vengeful ghost and perennial altar are more just niche things for new players but many trees have skills like those. Team spirit is clearly very impactful as well so I'll skip that. This just leaves the alignment skills which I also can't imagine you meant were unimpactful either sure the shadow side could stand to be less tedious to maintain the buff but that's also about it on that end.

The skill tree introduces various things that impact gameplay it mostly just comes down to player preference on whether you'll use them or not though.

3 hours ago, Cassielu said:

No, I don't have the same feeling. Wortox has always been the skilltree that I consider one of the best.

Apart from the fact that four of the skills on the Soul Bastion line were a bit messed up, its simple skills are merely superficially unremarkable but effectively contribute to the real change in a certain way. It's clear to see how much the entire gameplay has been changed, from the guides before and after the update, They have brought about greater changes with fewer alterations, which is the so-called resultful change.

 

Again though this is a grass looks greener situation.

I kinda got distracted with something irl when writing this so please excuse any mistakes in writing this.

[brednas7]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Let's look at her Wraith's Wreath for a second.

here are some of the options you can choose

you get cheap 100 hp healing item

you get a hp shield barrier every 10 seconds which also works on planar damage

one of the best light source head slot items in terms of vision and cost efficiency

Cost 40 hp and can Miss last 5 hp heal, 47-52 hp profit unless extra hield triggers.

Works after armor, often only blocking small amounts of damage and reflect damage is abysmal for 10sec cooldown.

Almost on par with moggels, only solid potion for wraith's wreath.

Needing to spend 6 glories for wraith's wreath and needing additional skills to feasible use some potions on the wreath makes it expensive in skill points and glories. Also needs little more clarity that none Wendy players wearing the wreath can drink potions to.

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, brednas7 said:

Cost 40 hp and can Miss last 5 hp heal, 47-52 hp profit unless extra hield triggers.

You regain 60 hp after the investment cost in this trade also with the potion production skill you can get up to 3 bottles out of this which means now it becomes 160 to 260.

Also if we're being realistic regardless of the upfront cost it's still a 100 hp heal. We don't subtract the damage we take in a bee queen fight from jelly beans.

 

3 hours ago, brednas7 said:

Works after armor, often only blocking small amounts of damage and reflect damage is abysmal for 10sec cooldown.

The reflect is pretty crappy but why wouldn't you want to have it work after armor the shield is only 50 hp and it's not like armor is hard to come by.

 

3 hours ago, brednas7 said:

Almost on par with moggels, only solid potion for wraith's wreath.

In what world? Their effect is the same but one is far cheaper than the other and has a non perishable fuel source that is easy to mass produce that also has other uses.

 

3 hours ago, brednas7 said:

Needing to spend 6 glories for wraith's wreath and needing additional skills to feasible use some potions on the wreath makes it expensive in skill points and glories. Also needs little more clarity that none Wendy players wearing the wreath can drink potions to.

This is genuinely the same as Wortox and his healing and teleport mastery skills. It's less expensive than you are making it out to be. If you ignore the convience skills that make stockpiling potions much faster you can get all the potions(including super) for only 6 skill points 7 if you want the duration buff. Also 6 glories for the craft is basically nothing.

Edited July 6 by Mysterious box

[brednas7]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

You regain 60 hp after the investment cost in this trade also with the potion production skill you can get up to 3 bottles out of this which means now it becomes 160 to 260.

Also if we're being realistic regardless of the upfront cost it's still a 100 hp heal. We don't subtract the damage we take in a bee queen fight from jelly beans.

I retract 8 hp from profit for the gland and you still need to heal at some point after making those hearts.

3 revenant restorative with strong brew give 120 hp total if you go for extra hield for the same glorie cost btw.

Jelly beans are crazily efficient even after subtracting from bee queen fight, especially for wendy.

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

The reflect is pretty crappy but why wouldn't you want to have it work after armor the shield is only 50 hp and it's not like armor is hard to come by. 

I rather have it as a mini bone armor to save some armor durability, then save like 5-12 health. For how cheap the potion is, it was so close to be good.

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

In what world? Their effect is the same but one is far cheaper than the other and has a non perishable fuel source that is easy to mass produce that also has other uses.

You lose the effect when you take it of and moggels aren't much harder to get if you go for ruins anyway.

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

This is genuinely the same as Wortox and his healing and teleport mastery skills. It's less expensive than you are making it out to be. If you ignore the convience skills that make stockpiling potions much faster you can get all the potions(including super) for only 6 skill points 7 if you want the duration buff. Also 6 glories for the craft is basically nothing.

Pipspook takes like ~1-3 min to find all toys unless using boats. Using wreath without pipspook quest III makes you need to do the quest multiple times.

If the wreath cost 4 or 5 glories, then if you get 20 glories you can make wreath + 5 potion and without pipspook quest III you can make wreath + 1 potion if 4-5 toys. 6 sound nothing until you add the cost of potions on top.

[Tranoze]

42 minutes ago, brednas7 said:

Pipspook takes like ~1-3 min to find all toys unless using boats. Using wreath without pipspook quest III makes you need to do the quest multiple times.

If the wreath cost 4 or 5 glories, then if you get 20 glories you can make wreath + 5 potion and without pipspook quest III you can make wreath + 1 potion if 4-5 toys. 6 sound nothing until you add the cost of potions on top.

Afk letting abi farm butterflies feel way much better than this farming glory ****.
Winter? Afk letting abi farm spider and heal using gland raw still feel better.

[hyoton123]

Wig’s skilltree probably isnt a bad comparison, where there’s a handful of skills that are meant for endgame play, and a lot of convenience making her better at what she already does. The character was fine before the skilltree and mostly got better (although i still dont love rile up and soothe being moved to the wheel, i dont view that as an upgrade). Both get enough good skills to give a unique rewarding experience that fix their few gaps (team spirit, lunar abigail swap, the charged elding spear). 

 

The real prizes for wrath wreath are double duration rev restorative (very efficient non rotting healing) and moggles, which isnt bad for the skill point cost. Distilled vengeance can reveal rictus IIRC. It’s extremely okay.

 

My main problem with moon moth resurrection is that it’s too expensive. I’ve used it before to transport trees though.

 

I’m still vexed by the community push for abigail’s player tag on the sisturn line. It was terribly unbalanced without the healing nerf and is a trap with it. It was never going to survive.

[Wendigail]

12 hours ago, hyoton123 said:

is a trap with it.

Yes, Abby's player damage scale tag only reduce physical damage and has no effect on planar damage. As a result, against post-rift bosses, the damage taken is not cut in half as intended, yet its healing output is halved instead.Those who think this mechanic is overpowered simply haven’t experienced post-rift content.

 

[Mysterious box]

On 7/6/2026 at 11:29 AM, brednas7 said:

I retract 8 hp from profit for the gland and you still need to heal at some point after making those hearts.

3 revenant restorative with strong brew give 120 hp total if you go for extra hield for the same glorie cost btw.

Jelly beans are crazily efficient even after subtracting from bee queen fight, especially for wendy.

The fight costs more resources so it can never be more efficient than her elixir. There exists no scenario beyond refusing to use the headslot for it that jellybeans can be better because they are just jellybeans that can be stockpiled faster and are much better for sharing with the team.

On 7/6/2026 at 11:29 AM, brednas7 said:

You lose the effect when you take it of and moggels aren't much harder to get if you go for ruins anyway.

So? It's still overall superior resource and inventory space wise. There's no way to compare moggles to what is a plainly superior item.

 

On 7/6/2026 at 11:29 AM, brednas7 said:

Pipspook takes like ~1-3 min to find all toys unless using boats. Using wreath without pipspook quest III makes you need to do the quest multiple times.

If the wreath cost 4 or 5 glories, then if you get 20 glories you can make wreath + 5 potion and without pipspook quest III you can make wreath + 1 potion if 4-5 toys. 6 sound nothing until you add the cost of potions on top.

This more or less is the same issue wortox faces except it's farming the bee field for souls to make the maximum use out of his teleport. What this basically comes down to is do you use said mechanic alot? If the answer is yes get skills to mass produce it if not invest less into it. You aren't wrong it can be time consuming without the skill but that also depends on how much and how often you use the potions.

Figured I'd give this final response but it just feels like people are looking for a reason to hate on the tree and I just don't understand why. Like there are even parts of the tree I can agree with the dislike on like how the final urn skill turned out but then there are cases like her elixirs or Graves where I just can't understand what people wanted.

[Cassielu]

On 7/6/2026 at 3:14 PM, Mysterious box said:

The only way there are no gameplay changes is if you actively ignore them,

Yes, people ignore it. This has happened, it has happened universally and is still happening.

Which indicates that they do not need "actively" to ignore as you claimed, people simply ignore them just like Healing Salve or Nightlight.

Edited July 8 by Cassielu

[Mysterious box]

On 7/7/2026 at 10:37 PM, Cassielu said:

Yes, people ignore it. This has happened, it has happened universally and is still happening.

Which indicates that they do not need "actively" to ignore as you claimed, people simply ignore them just like Healing Salve or Nightlight.

You are downplaying the cheapest low upkeep night vision something that you don't even go out of your way to use unless you specifically avoid making potions. Something I've seen many others and even I personally use. Then we got the healing potion which is just mass produced jellybeans the only people who don't use this don't know how good it is. It's like people who don't use Wurt's merm toolshed or kelp dish not knowing that it allows them to dig and till farm plots for the former and call all nearby merms for the latter. There's simply not a good argument for not using jellybean equivalents. You know what let's even draw Walter's tree in for a second we've got people picking a portable campfire they are spending a full skill point on a mobile but inferior heat source fire yet we're really here saying Wendy getting night vision as a fraction of multiple other traits under that skill point which can also be shared with other survivors is a lackluster ability?

Honestly this is why I don't get you guys. There are legitimate targets for criticism Wendy's Urn protection needs work as well as how many kills she needs to upkeep her shadow form heck even the butterfly skill could stand to be cheaper but that's not what you guys focus on it's always the "no you don't get it everything is bad and low quality". You look at actual really good skills and try to say they are trash or something along those lines.

Edited Thursday at 04:01 PM by Mysterious box
Small wording corrections

[Frosty_Mentos]

She seems generally quite powerful with her skilltree, I don't see what's the disappointment besides that people simply didn't get it exactly how they wanted it.

Her survivability is high and her Abigail's gotten a lot more versatile. Depending on which bosses or playstyle you're after she seems generally well balanced for either or and good for skill swaps when the portal's upgraded.

[lowercasename]

I'm just a bit annoyed at how the grave skills (making/moving graves) aren't just part of the base kit since as is they're only useful for long-term servers as swap-out skills once you have graves on more convenient locations.
And the Perennial Altar (Meat Effigy for only 1 cut stone) as well.
It just hardly seems ever worth it over taking other skills that buffs combat strength/options directly that stops people from dying in the first place or how cheap and just as accessible other revive options are.

Sisturn also got powercreeped by Chorusbox Warm Standby WX too now outside of Sisturn 3 for Player Tag Abigail isn't it?
And then Sisturn 3 itself also has problems like the Player Tag just not being that useful over just using Abigail Heals+Ghastly Experience over and over with how much more versatile the elixir skill is.

Edited Friday at 09:09 AM by lowercasename

[brednas7]

The qol in Wendy's skill tree take so much space from her tree, there isn't a lot of choose for players to make. Some qol is more important than others and a bunch of those skills fall of when mourning glory and potions are stockpiled.

I going to nitpick a little here. Wendy skill tree design is based on an ouija board, but only have 25 skills in it instead of 26. One skill for each letter on the Ouija board is mildly unthematic.

On 7/9/2026 at 4:20 PM, Mysterious box said:

You are downplaying the cheapest low upkeep night vision something that you don't even go out of your way to use unless you specifically avoid making potions. Something I've seen many others and even I personally use. Then we got the healing potion which is just mass produced jellybeans the only people who don't use this don't know how good it is. It's like people who don't use Wurt's merm toolshed or kelp dish not knowing that it allows them to dig and till farm plots for the former and call all nearby merms for the latter. There's simply not a good argument for not using jellybean equivalents. You know what let's even draw Walter's tree in for a second we've got people picking a portable campfire they are spending a full skill point on a mobile but inferior heat source fire yet we're really here saying Wendy getting night vision as a fraction of multiple other traits under that skill point which can also be shared with other survivors is a lackluster ability?

Honestly this is why I don't get you guys. There are legitimate targets for criticism Wendy's Urn protection needs work as well as how many kills she needs to upkeep her shadow form heck even the butterfly skill could stand to be cheaper but that's not what you guys focus on it's always the "no you don't get it everything is bad and low quality". You look at actual really good skills and try to say they are trash or something along those lines.

Wraith's Wreath suffers from mourning glory been a bottle neck and base often been far away from graves in public servers, so needing grave skills to relocate them.

If people saw the wreath getting used more often, then people would be less harsh about the wreath.

Nightshade is good and is more generous with time per refuelling then moggles, but moggles are more flexible and with a lantern still allows head armor for fights.

Cure-all is tough to justify when Wortox or Wigfrid around, but healing Wormwood when Wortox is not around is a good use for it. Anyone can make hearts and nearly anyone can heal with cure-all + wreath, so anyone with cheap or free health regen can help with those hearts.

Fighting bee queen still worth it to be able to bundle wreaths to save spoilage, save those jelly beans for fights you can't use wreaths reliably or need head armor.