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[Arepantera]

35 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

I think its the opposite of that, in a recent run of mine i decided to do shadow pieces with an extra rook but a heavy rain started just one hour before new moon and i didn't have a choice except fight them while taking pauses to remove my helmet and kite tier 3 rooks around burning grass to dry off before reaching 15 wetness which will turn of my speed and stun me making me unable to dodge the rooks. It was hell and i had to retry many times. WX downsides is one of DST's most expressive, if rain starts at an unlucky moment you will be in serious trouble even with waterproof gear. Compare that to most characters more negligeable downsides...

That sounds more like a funny joke than an actual downside. The chances of rain happening during the shadow pieces fight is so small that I'm not sure if that has happened to me, but if I was WX in that scenario I would have just dropped my backpack and equipped a raincoat and boom, there it is, problem solved. Instea of it being a small annoyance with a silk and pig skin tax, it's a tentacle spot and bone tax.

[WendyHater9000]

45 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

WX downsides is one of DST's most expressive, if rain starts at an unlucky moment you will be in serious trouble even with waterproof gear. Compare that to most characters more negligeable downsides...

Agree, you literally can't fight a boss if it's those that require head slot + body slot. I wait ***** 8 min doing nothing because the rain start while i'm in atrium last time. Wetness is deadly af for wx. Once you reach 15 wetness, everything goes bad in a sudden

9 minutes ago, Arepantera said:

That sounds more like a funny joke than an actual downside. The chances of rain happening during the shadow pieces fight is so small that I'm not sure if that has happened to me, but if I was WX in that scenario I would have just dropped my backpack and equipped a raincoat and boom, there it is, problem solved. Instea of it being a small annoyance with a silk and pig skin tax, it's a tentacle spot and bone tax.

Ok, now imagine doing FW and bq during rain without having umbralla. You might say that u can use eyebrella, but while fighting bq marble suit will break much faster without bee hat, no armor while u need to deal with shadow hand.

[Arepantera]

5 minutes ago, WendyHater9000 said:

Ok, now imagine doing FW and bq during rain without having umbralla. You might say that u can use eyebrella, but while fighting bq marble suit will break much faster without bee hat, no armor while u need to deal with shadow hand.

Yes, use an eyebrella. Use the speed circuits with their perk points. That will pretty much nullify the speed penalty of the marble armor and you'll be able to dodge attacks and presever marble armor durability. I recommend 2 speed circuits and 1 electrification circuit. If you're using the pick/axe with the spin circuit then it becomes even easier. For FW, it's honestly the same thing, except that you might want 3 speed circuits instead. WX gives more advantages than disadvantages to those fights, even when it's raining.

[GrapeVruit]

13 minutes ago, WendyHater9000 said:

Agree, you literally can't fight a boss if it's those that require head slot + body slot. I wait ***** 8 min doing nothing because the rain start while i'm in atrium last time. Wetness is deadly af for wx. Once you reach 15 wetness, everything goes bad in a sudden

I'd say this is one of the few cases where'd you want to build a Rainometer. It'd allow you to see if any rain could get in the way of an upcoming boss fight before finding out in the midst of combat. As a wise librarian once said: "Measure before you act."

[Reiko24]

On 5/4/2026 at 9:37 PM, Mike23Ua said:

You know how when a company makes something and think it’s the greatest thing ever but then that product fails miserably and ends up having unforeseen defects so it has to be recalled and then model version 2.0 (now waterproof) is released? Yeah it’s like that… Wagstaff may be a genius but he was probably so focused on all the cool high-tech stuff he wanted WX to be able to do and at the same time forgot to install same basic functionality (such as heart empathy module) this isn’t something I’m making up… this is confirmed lore through Klei’s own animations. So I’m going to just assume that’s why.

He did have an empathy module, but ripped it out himself.

[MrsBoris]

7 hours ago, Arepantera said:

If you're using the pick/axe with the spin circuit then it becomes even easier.

Glass cutters are better against shadow entities

8 hours ago, Arepantera said:

if I was WX in that scenario I would have just dropped my backpack and equipped a raincoat

Thats your fictional scenario, i prepared for the fight with helmets and a magluminescence, so i couldn't just use an eyebrella/raincoat and forget about it. I would either be unarmored or too slow and I couldn't change my preparations in 1 segment of time. Either way, the point is, look how you gotta actively respect his downside, that is not a downsideless character especially compared to other characters.

Edited May 13 by MrsBoris

[Arepantera]

5 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

Thats your fictional scenario, i prepared for the fight with helmets and a magluminescence, so i couldn't just use an eyebrella/raincoat and forget about it. I would either be unarmored or too slow and I couldn't change my preparations in 1 segment of time. Either way, the point is, look how you gotta actively respect his downside, that is not a downsideless character especially compared to other characters.

Yeah, a fictional scenario, it's also a simple answer to an easy problem. The reason why I call him a character with no downsides it's because his downsites are way too easy to deal with, just use the raincoat or the eyebrella and boom, there you go. You could have just used speed circuits instead of a magi and you could have equipped the raincoat. So really it was mostly user error what caused that catastrophe.

 

  

5 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

Glass cutters are better against shadow entities

I was mostly talking about BQ in that segment, spinning with a pick/axe deals with the minions easily. It's also pretty good against FWs minions if you don't know how to walk him around, glass cutters are fine sure, just like thulecite clubs, but at that you'd just make us go off on a tangent.

Edited May 13 by Arepantera

[MrsBoris]

18 hours ago, Arepantera said:

So really it was mostly user error

I prepared for the fight days in advance, so, one of two possibilities, i was simply caught unprepared and we know not predicting the future isn't a skill issue. Or im supposed to never prepare for a bossfight using both body and chest slots and expect one of them to be taken by an eyebrella/raincoat, as otherwise is "user error" right?. So in your cenario i have to respect WXs downside a lot and completely overhaul my gameplan, thats not a "downsideless" character.

Edited May 14 by MrsBoris

[Capybara007]

"Actually X character does have a downside and is very well designed because i had this very specific situation where the downside affected me for 10 seconds" - this thread

[Grove]

4 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

I prepared for the fight days in advance, so, one of two possibilities, i was simply caught unprepared and we know not predicting the future isn't a skill issue. Or im supposed to never prepare for a bossfight using both body and chest slots and expect one of them to be taken by an eyebrella/raincoat, as otherwise is "user error" right?. So in your cenario i have to respect WXs downside a lot and completely overhaul my gameplan, thats not a "downsideless" 

Is carrying a raincoat in the case that you're using head armor or an eyebrella if you're using body armor that big of a deal?

It's not even a Wx exclusive trait

Unless you use a beefalo, you should carry stuff like that

[Mike23Ua]

On 5/13/2026 at 7:15 AM, MrsBoris said:

Glass cutters are better against shadow entities

Thats your fictional scenario, i prepared for the fight with helmets and a magluminescence, so i couldn't just use an eyebrella/raincoat and forget about it. I would either be unarmored or too slow and I couldn't change my preparations in 1 segment of time. Either way, the point is, look how you gotta actively respect his downside, that is not a downsideless character especially compared to other characters.

WX78 has enormous pools of Health, and Regeneration when equipped with the proper body modifications, WX being injured by getting Wet balances itself out by being able to take more damage than other characters. Which means: Instead of wearing Rain protection, and not armor during a boss fight, what you should be doing is wearing the armor, and at the same time: Letting rain slowly kill you.

Why? Because depending on what body mods you have installed, you have ridiculously high health thresholds anyway.

Now if someone like Maxwell or Wes had this downside…. 😂

[MrsBoris]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Letting rain slowly kill you.

Do you even know how WX works? Rain TURNS OFF his circuits one by one. You become a 100 health character, just 25 above wes or maxwell

3 hours ago, Grove said:

Is carrying a raincoat in the case that you're using head armor or an eyebrella if you're using body armor that big of a deal?

I just cant do a klaus or shadow pieces bossfight with a mag under the assumption it might rain, or i cant distribute my armor among 3 helmets and 3 body pieces during a bossfight cuz i might have to stop using one of them. That is a stupid way of thinking, obviously but the guy thinks i did "user error" by not thinking like that when i prepared for shadow pieces

[Mike23Ua]

36 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

Do you even know how WX works? Rain TURNS OFF his circuits one by one. You become a 100 health character, just 25 above wes or maxwell

I just cant do a klaus or shadow pieces bossfight with a mag under the assumption it might rain, or i cant distribute my armor among 3 helmets and 3 body pieces during a bossfight cuz i might have to stop using one of them. That is a stupid way of thinking, obviously but the guy thinks i did "user error" by not thinking like that when i prepared for shadow pieces

I haven’t played WX78 since he got a skill tree, but can you not eat gears anymore? Consuming Gears use to boost his health stats Regardless of if you had circuits slotted or not.

[MrsBoris]

6 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

had this very specific situation where the downside affected me for 10 seconds

"I must water down his argument completely to win"

Im sorry bro... go back to your meaningful downside characters like wendy where she does less damage its completely negated by the OP beefalo taming strat... Or woodie who doesnt have one... Or maxwell who can wear 95% armor protection for free, i mean only has 75 health, or nice wortox that doesnt aggro mobs and can farm infinite souls from the bee biome from day 1 and never worry about sanity health or hunger again... Or willow that hates the cold, or wickerbottom who cant sleep and doesnt like rotten food which no one eats already cuz cooking food just makes it green again and you can recycle rotten meat into eggs or wolfgang that looses a little more sanity 🥺

I can also say that about WX, or WX who is asked to wear a rain item every 10 days and is immune to every other world hazard.

I dont agree with some of these takes but my point is this "downsideless" tag can be applied to most characters except wormwood and warly and its a really dumb argument you use when you think the character is too strong or something.

21 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Gears use to boost his health stats

You said he has an enormous health pool, not that he can eat gears, he can eat any health food for that matter. What you said in the OG post is this

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

WX78 has enormous pools of Health. WX being injured by getting Wet balances itself out by being able to take more damage than other characters. (You dont know water damage turns all his circuits off)

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Instead of wearing Rain protection, and not armor during a boss fight, what you should be doing is wearing the armor, and at the same time: Letting rain slowly kill you. 

His downside turns off all circuits and stun your every water tick, you were judging his balance without basic knowledge of how his downside works since 2022... But dont worry about it its not serious, we all larp sometimes

Edited May 14 by MrsBoris

[Mike23Ua]

18 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

"I must water down his argument completely to win"

Im sorry bro... go back to your meaningful downside characters like wendy where she does less damage its completely negated by the OP beefalo taming strat... Or woodie who doesnt have one... Or maxwell who can wear 95% armor protection for free, i mean only has 75 health, or nice wortox that doesnt aggro mobs and can farm infinite souls from the bee biome from day 1 and never worry about sanity health or hunger again... Or willow that hates the cold, or wickerbottom who cant sleep and doesnt like rotten food which no one eats already cuz cooking food just makes it green again and you can recycle rotten meat into eggs or wolfgang that looses a little more sanity 🥺

I can also say that about WX, or WX who is asked to wear a rain item every 10 days and is immune to every other world hazard.

I dont agree with some of these takes but my point is this "downsideless" tag can be applied to most characters except wormwood and warly and its a really dumb argument you use when you think the character is too strong or something.

You said he has an enormous health pool, not that he can eat gears, he can eat any health food for that matter. What you said in the OG post is this

His downside turns off all circuits and stun your every water tick, im not angry at you fir it but you were judging his balance without even basic knowledge of how has worked since 2022... But dont worry about it, now you know.

Allow me to clarify more clearly: Eating Gears use to increase WX78’s maximum health PAST it’s Starting point 100-600, each gear you consumed, would increase the health. 
 

the getting damaged in rain downside was originally designed and intended to work with the fact that this mofo be running around with 600 hp just for munching on a few gears.

Is that not a thing anymore???

[MrsBoris]

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Is that not a thing anymore???

No, since his 2022 rework gears dont increase his max health anymore, they heal his stats for 75 hunger, 50 sanity and 60 health i believe. The way WX increases his stats is using processing-hardy-gastrogain circuits, that turn off if you lose charge, water damage used to only tick your health down, but after his rework every tick of damage (every 2 seconds): stuns him in place, removes one charge (6-7 ticks is enough to turn everything off) and scales up to 8 damage i believe as you get wetter. They also removed completely his overcharge mechanic. Which was an upside.

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

the getting damaged in rain downside was originally designed and intended to work with the fact that this mofo be running around with 600 hp just for munching on a few gears.

Original WX was am extremely tanky, boring downsideless mf LMAO. Overcharged was cool tho

Edited May 14 by MrsBoris

[Baark0]

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Allow me to clarify more clearly: Eating Gears use to increase WX78’s maximum health PAST it’s Starting point 100-600, each gear you consumed, would increase the health. 
 

the getting damaged in rain downside was originally designed and intended to work with the fact that this mofo be running around with 600 hp just for munching on a few gears.

Is that not a thing anymore???

Gears increasing your base stats hasn't been a thing since 2022, and wetness does significantly more damage to WX, on top of disabling your circuits (aka your new source of your high health pool).

With all due respect, you probably shouldn't be giving your opinion on a character you haven't played in at least 4 years.

[Jussatoon]

37 minutes ago, Baark0 said:

With all due respect, you probably shouldn't be giving your opinion on a character you haven't played in at least 4 years.

Not just that, but doesn't even play the game anymore. 

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

Do you even know how WX works? Rain TURNS OFF his circuits one by one. You become a 100 health character, just 25 above wes or maxwell

I just cant do a klaus or shadow pieces bossfight with a mag under the assumption it might rain, or i cant distribute my armor among 3 helmets and 3 body pieces during a bossfight cuz i might have to stop using one of them. That is a stupid way of thinking, obviously but the guy thinks i did "user error" by not thinking like that when i prepared for shadow pieces

don't argue with mike. he doesnt know how the game works; you are better off just talking to people who play the game

[MrsBoris]

3 hours ago, Baark0 said:

you probably shouldn't be giving your opinion on a character you haven't played in at least 4 years

3 hours ago, Jussatoon said:

Not just that, but doesn't even play the game anymore. 

3 hours ago, gaymime said:

don't argue with mike. he doesnt know how the game works; you are better off just talking to people who play the game

Mike the larper gets absolutely chewed out on DST forums and theres nothing left but bones

Or as brazilians would say "meu Deus do céu não sobrou nada (oh my god there is nothing left)"

[Arepantera]

13 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

I prepared for the fight days in advance, so, one of two possibilities, i was simply caught unprepared and we know not predicting the future isn't a skill issue. Or im supposed to never prepare for a bossfight using both body and chest slots and expect one of them to be taken by an eyebrella/raincoat, as otherwise is "user error" right?. So in your cenario i have to respect WXs downside a lot and completely overhaul my gameplan, thats not a "downsideless" character.

Getting an item that makes you 100% waterproof is something that everyone needs to do eventually unless they're willing to suffer during spring or unless they're wurt. As you're supposed to do that earlier, it's something that you'll do regardless, not doing it early is an user error. 

I'm saying he's a "downsideless" character because his downside is extremely easy to deal with, like I said before, if you get punished by wetness it's mostly due to user error.

[Capybara007]

5 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

"I must water down his argument completely to win"

Im sorry bro... go back to your meaningful downside characters like

What im saying is that the advantages of characters in dst outweight the downsides, and we should not pretend wendy or willow or woodie or wx are well designed because they have 1 meaningless downside, what did you understand by my reply

[Captain_Rage]

21 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

"Actually X character does have a downside and is very well designed because i had this very specific situation where the downside affected me for 10 seconds" - this thread

"I can defeat the Ancient Fuelweaver without looking at the screen but I choose to use quality of life mods like x10 damage and infinite item durability. Why is DST so boring?". I almost miss the days of this sort of forum logic. 

[Mysterious box]

On 5/12/2026 at 1:07 PM, Naifxoxo said:

yes she did , her fire being unlimited but uncontrollable, also burns stuff when insane , thats uer downside and both removed 

This was at direct conflict with cooperative play thus was removed.

On 5/12/2026 at 2:47 PM, Nikki Darks said:

FIrst one was over a decade ago so I am not even taking it into consideration... Her actual dst downside used to be freezing when insane.

Second, the sanity and more hp loss on freezing is such a nothing burger downside in dst lol. How often do you freeze (outside of Klaus)? In dst she can just carry around a thermal stone with no winter gear and survive winter easier than other survivors who need actual gear....

She was better than other at winter survival way before the skill tree came out.

I mean it was on par with Wx's wetness except you'll freeze far more often than Wetness ever getting to the point where it will inconvenience you and even then that too will cause you to freeze. On top of that she freezes earlier than other characters from ice attacks. I personally remember plenty of Willow's dying to freezing before she had a sun in her pocket. Sure it wasn't everytime but there were plenty of cases where people weren't watching their temp and ended up getting caught in areas without anything to burn.

On 5/12/2026 at 11:41 PM, MrsBoris said:

On 5/4/2026 at 11:34 AM, Nikki Darks said:

Skill trees shouldn't just flat out remove a character's downside

Woodie's skill tree is the worst designed tree. Thanks for remembering us.

His skill tree was just fixing a problem Klei created in moonstorms so I don't think them removing that was a design flaw on Woodie's part but one on the part of the moonstorms.

 

On 5/12/2026 at 11:41 PM, MrsBoris said:

Woodie's skill tree is the worst designed tree. Thanks for remembering us.

I think its the opposite of that, in a recent run of mine i decided to do shadow pieces with an extra rook but a heavy rain started just one hour before new moon and i didn't have a choice except fight them while taking pauses to remove my helmet and kite tier 3 rooks around burning grass to dry off before reaching 15 wetness which will turn of my speed and stun me making me unable to dodge the rooks. It was hell and i had to retry many times. WX downsides is one of DST's most expressive, if rain starts at an unlucky moment you will be in serious trouble even with waterproof gear. Compare that to most characters more negligeable downsides...

Why wouldn't you just use body armor? This feels like a self inflicted injury like trying to melee bee queen with Walter it's possible but not the smartest way to go about things.

Alternatively if you really wanted to use the helmet you could have used a rain coat.

Edited May 15 by Mysterious box

[Naifxoxo]

2 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

This was at direct conflict with cooperative play thus was removed.

I mean it was on par with Wx's wetness except you'll freeze far more often than Wetness ever getting to the point where it will inconvenience you and even then that too will cause you to freeze. On top of that she freezes earlier than other characters from ice attacks. I personally remember plenty of Willow's dying to freezing before she had a sun in her pocket. Sure it wasn't everytime but there were plenty of cases where people weren't watching their temp and ended up getting caught in areas without anything to burn.

His skill tree was just fixing a problem Klei created in moonstorms so I don't think them removing that was a design flaw on Woodie's part but one on the part of the moonstorms.

 

Why wouldn't you just use body armor? This feels like a self inflicted injury like trying to melee bee queen with Walter it's possible but not the smartest way to go about things.

Alternatively if you really wanted to use the helmet you could have used a rain coat.

still her fire being uncontrolled shouldnt be removed , the point is that she had an unlimited lighter but with a downside, they removed it now its even better than any fire or torch , so the downside got removed , same thing with her freeze weakness , yeah she takes more freeze dmg and freezes faster but they removed it by giving her an unlimited star staff thats available day 1 , whats the point of this freeze *weakness* if they made it so that she will never even freeze no matter overworld, caves or even at ocean the stars works everywhere 

Edited May 15 by Naifxoxo