So... What does Elsewhere mean for Together?

[Mysterious box]

42 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I think you guys just want DST development to end, it makes no sense to want something like that when it has around 50 000 concurrent players every day. Do you really think DSE will have 50 000 players in 12 years after release like DST? DST can be crowned as one of the best games to ever exist, what are some other games that have managed to keep such a high concurrent player count? CS, Rust, Terraria? I don't think you can name many more games.

Yes actually why couldn't they do it again or perhaps even better? Dse doesn't necessarily mean dst will go offline but story wise the game is about to end as it won't be allowed major world events due to causing potential lore contridictions and it's likely Klei is being a bit vague about dse because they want dst to wrap up first.

1 minute ago, Jussatoon said:

We don't even know if anything related to "superpowers" will even show up in the game. You'd think at least one instance of that would be showcased in the trailer, but for example, even though Willow has Bernie, not once did he come to life, let alone transform into BERNIE!

More likely, or at least what I'm hoping, is that the characters themselves are simpler, while the environment itself is more spectacular. 

True that being said Bernie! Was less a super powers and more so a super natural event that happens near Willow as we already know Bernie can move regardless of if Willow is around or not he just tries harder for her so he still fit the original vibe. She gained super powers when she got the fire powers which still to this day i feel like it should have been reproduced with tools instead as there were and still are implications that she was good at naturally making fire with the things around her.

My little rant aside I wholeheartedly agree and hope they go more down to earth with survivor abilities in this game. As the skill trees when you really think about it boarded on silly levels of disconnect from what the series was thematically.

[Jussatoon]

9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

She gained super powers when she got the fire powers which still to this day i feel like it should have been reproduced with tools instead as there were and still are implications that she was good at naturally making fire with the things around her.

Preach my friend. Like, we knew there was something supernatural about her from the simple fact that she was immune to fire, but the transition was 0-100 with the skill tree. I would've preferred matches, molotovs, specializations with existing fire items as well as explosions, etc.

I can only hope her skill tree revisit involves a thematic rework, but ideally one that doesn't ruin the experience unlike previous and current cases. Otherwise, I'll instead have to hope Elsewhere takes advantage of the missed opportunity. 

[Mike23Ua]

22 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Yes actually why couldn't they do it again or perhaps even better? Dse doesn't necessarily mean dst will go offline but story wise the game is about to end as it won't be allowed major world events due to causing potential lore contridictions and it's likely Klei is being a bit vague about dse because they want dst to wrap up first.

True that being said Bernie! Was less a super powers and more so a super natural event that happens near Willow as we already know Bernie can move regardless of if Willow is around or not he just tries harder for her so he still fit the original vibe. She gained super powers when she got the fire powers which still to this day i feel like it should have been reproduced with tools instead as there were and still are implications that she was good at naturally making fire with the things around her.

My little rant aside I wholeheartedly agree and hope they go more down to earth with survivor abilities in this game. As the skill trees when you really think about it boarded on silly levels of disconnect from what the series was thematically.

We’ve been through this a million times, in Willows original short, she is seen lighting fire to the closet she’s locked inside blowing it up in a big explosion and walking right on out while the building is on flames unharmed by the fire. This warrants giving her “fire mage” powers. Bernie the little bear doll however, has existed in the games art on the character select screen for her all the way back with Solo DS.. DST merely took what was just in her Art, and made it part of her gameplay. 

I am glad Bernie is back in DSE, (he wasn’t even in solo DS at all… so that means at least SOME of the things from DST are carrying over into DSE.) 

Abigails Vex & WX78’s glowy electrical charges can also be seen in the trailer… so while maybe we won’t have “ confusing skill trees” in DSE, we will still 100% be getting character features that debuted as skill trees in DST in DSE.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

We’ve been through this a million times, in Willows original short, she is seen lighting fire to the closet she’s locked inside blowing it up in a big explosion and walking right on out while the building is on flames unharmed by the fire. This warrants giving her “fire mage” powers.

Locked in closet with flammable and potentially explosive materials. Yes she comes out unharmed which is off but survivors always had smaller scale supernatural abilities like Wilson's beard. There's also a level of ambiguity. For example we know Bernie! is a separate entity to Willow and we still really don't know what it is for all we know Bernie! could be the thing that granted her fire resistance and us not know fit very well them just going "your a wizard Harry!" just doesn't fit the vibe at all or at least it didn't at the time but now everyone is kinda excessive.

[Szczuku]

48 minutes ago, Jussatoon said:

We don't even know if anything related to "superpowers" will even show up in the game.

We can see special particles when Wendy and Abigail are fighting the dolls, so the hexing mechanic has made it to Elsewhere

[mathem99]

Soon, Together will join its brethren in the deep depths...

[Mike23Ua]

9 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

We can see special particles when Wendy and Abigail are fighting the dolls, so the hexing mechanic has made it to Elsewhere

And in the caves section where the mechanical basket thing is we see WX78 covered in electrical charge.

[Hungry French]

5 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

I think you guys just want DST development to end, it makes no sense to want something like that when it has around 50 000 concurrent players every day. Do you really think DSE will have 50 000 players in 12 years after release like DST? DST can be crowned as one of the best games to ever exist, what are some other games that have managed to keep such a high concurrent player count? CS, Rust, Terraria? I don't think you can name many more games.

Best ? I think no.

Stopping development ? You know. Where it decreases, it increases. 
Without DST, we will have something else.

[HowlVoid]

15 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

If it was separate how would you explain the decrease in update content over the years? It is quite obvious that they were working on another game or fired some developers that worked on DST.

Nothing was so obvious or there would have been rumors about it. People can only claim this now due to hindsight. I have been on this forums everyday and no one ever claimed that staff may have been reduced in size nor that another game was in the works, not you nor anyone else ever made such claims.

A popular claim, and one that even I made however, was that that they may have been working on bigger updates in the background. But no one really knows what goes on behind the scenes at klei. The slowing down of content was gradual when they switched from monthly updates to every other month. To be honest, I still havent noticed by what "quatifiable" amount it has slowed down. But I did notice that despite switching to a slower amount of updates, the quality of the updates didnt improve as much as they said it would, and people pointed this out in threads. 

"Don’t Starve Elsewhere has been in development for several years now, and we are not winding down Don’t Starve Together. We aim to support both games concurrently."

Can you point to me exactly where the updates slowed down? Can you tell me exactly how many years ago the developement of elsewhere started? Can you tell me how many resources are being allocated as to constitute "not winding down" or can you claim that they are lying and are infact slowing down as they work on elsewhere concurrently?

"The update cadence will be slower, as it has been; there are no planned changes to the operation of the game beyond what was already done last year. If that changes, we’ll let people know."

Klei had stated that one of the reasons for choosing the slower model of updates was for the sake of quality over quantity and no one had any reason to doubt them. 

Also, BECAUSE klei can work on multiple games they can choose to accomodate resources accordingly as not take developer time away from dst. Thats just common sense. I think people are feeling a little betrayed and its something I can understand. Its why people are making claims that klei is now running themselves thin. You would think that a game that has been steadily increasing in popularity would get more attention from them and that we would feel some sort of surge in developement. Especially when skill tree updates are so slow. People have invested a lot of time and effort into this game and its easy to see why fans may not feel rewarded for their commitment. 

Things are slow, characters feel neglected, arcs feel neglected, the world of the constant feels neglected and now theres another game on the horizon. Trust me, I get it, but I find it hard to believe people know exactly how or why they do things.

Edited April 29 by HowlVoid

[00petar00]

10 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Nothing was so obvious or there would have been rumors about it. People can only claim this now due to hindsight. I have been on this forums everyday and no one ever claimed that staff may have been reduced in size nor that another game was in the works, not you nor anyone else ever made such claims.

There was quite a few people that noticed it, there doesn't need to be rumors and you can easily look at the amount of content we were getting in years 2020-2023 or around that time compared to now, it was basically cut down in half.

10 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

A popular claim, and one that even I made however, was that that they may have been working on bigger updates in the background. But no one really knows what goes on behind the scenes at klei. The slowing down of content was gradual when they switched from monthly updates to every other month. To be honest, I still havent noticed by what "quatifiable" amount it has slowed down. But I did notice that despite switching to a slower amount of updates, the quality of the updates didnt improve as much as they said it would, and people pointed this out in threads. 

That could've been true and some people had hope but after years we haven't seen anything big released like a DLC for DST, at least now we know for sure that they were working on DSE but it was really obvious that they were working on another game or fired people.

So you also noticed that when they spoke publicly that the amount of content wouldn't decrease and the reason for slowdown was for quality, now it looks like an obvious lie.

11 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

"Don’t Starve Elsewhere has been in development for several years now, and we are not winding down Don’t Starve Together. We aim to support both games concurrently."

Can you point to me exactly where the updates slowed down? Can you tell me exactly how many years ago the developement of elsewhere started? Can you tell me how many resources are being allocated as to constitute "not winding down" or can you claim that they are lying and are infact slowing down as they work on elsewhere concurrently?

In 2020 we got Forgotten knowledge, she sells sea shells, troubled waters, reap what you sow, 2 character refreshes, 1 new character (Walter) and 3 event updates.

In 2021 there was eye of the storm, an eye for an eye and waterlogged, 3 character refreshes, 1 new character (Wanda) and 4 event updates.

In 2022 we got curse of the moon quay, a little drama, 4 character refreshes and 5 event updates.

I may have misremembered some things and my memory isn't perfect but we were getting a big content update every month. It may look like we were getting the same amount of updates but the amount of major updates was set to 4 I think around 2023-2024?

11 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Klei had stated that one of the reasons for choosing the slower model of updates was for the sake of quality over quantity and no one had any reason to doubt them. 

That is true, no one had a reason to doubt it at that time but over years we have noticed that the amount of updates has decreased and now a new game is announced.

11 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

Also, BECAUSE klei can work on multiple games they can choose to accomodate resources accordingly as not take developer time away from dst. Thats just common sense. I think people are feeling a little betrayed and its something I can understand. Its why people are making claims that klei is now running themselves thin. You would think that a game that has been steadily increasing in popularity would get more attention from them and that we would feel some sort of surge in developement. Especially when skill tree updates are so slow. People have invested a lot of time and effort into this game and its easy to see why fans may not feel rewarded for their commitment. 

Things are slow, characters feel neglected, arcs feel neglected, the world of the constant feels neglected and now theres another game on the horizon. Trust me, I get it, but I find it hard to believe people know exactly how or why they do things.

Again, that was all stated in the past, we didn't doubt it and wanted to see how it would turn out. Now we know the whole story but even If DSE wasn't released many people including me have made multiple posts over the last few years talking about the decrease in content released.

If the game keeps the same amount of players and you can cut on the work why would you not do it? It is good business practice. Players love character updates whether they are refreshes or skill trees so developers could just have more of them and these updates usually take less effort, players seem to have been easily satisfied with this update schedule over the last few years.

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, 00petar00 said:

There was quite a few people that noticed it, there doesn't need to be rumors and you can easily look at the amount of content we were getting in years 2020-2023 or around that time compared to now, it was basically cut down in half.

That could've been true and some people had hope but after years we haven't seen anything big released like a DLC for DST, at least now we know for sure that they were working on DSE but it was really obvious that they were working on another game or fired people.

So you also noticed that when they spoke publicly that the amount of content wouldn't decrease and the reason for slowdown was for quality, now it looks like an obvious lie.

In 2020 we got Forgotten knowledge, she sells sea shells, troubled waters, reap what you sow, 2 character refreshes, 1 new character (Walter) and 3 event updates.

In 2021 there was eye of the storm, an eye for an eye and waterlogged, 3 character refreshes, 1 new character (Wanda) and 4 event updates.

In 2022 we got curse of the moon quay, a little drama, 4 character refreshes and 5 event updates.

I may have misremembered some things and my memory isn't perfect but we were getting a big content update every month. It may look like we were getting the same amount of updates but the amount of major updates was set to 4 I think around 2023-2024?

That is true, no one had a reason to doubt it at that time but over years we have noticed that the amount of updates has decreased and now a new game is announced.

Again, that was all stated in the past, we didn't doubt it and wanted to see how it would turn out. Now we know the whole story but even If DSE wasn't released many people including me have made multiple posts over the last few years talking about the decrease in content released.

If the game keeps the same amount of players and you can cut on the work why would you not do it? It is good business practice. Players love character updates whether they are refreshes or skill trees so developers could just have more of them and these updates usually take less effort, players seem to have been easily satisfied with this update schedule over the last few years.

I had a more lengthy reply but instead I rather just say Klei could be more transpatent.