Is getting another round of character reworks actually plausible?

[Its-a-me-Sans]

I get why Klei would want to start focusing their skill tree updates on one character instead of two or three considering the controversal feedback to Wendy and Walter (albeit to a lesser extent), but since the WX-78 beta I've seen talk that Klei might go back on already established character skill trees. Whether or not this is a good thing doesn't really matter to this discussion post I just want to know how strong of a possibility this outcome is.

[Ev1l]

3 hours ago, Its-a-me-Sans said:

I just want to know how strong of a possibility this outcome is.

100%, the devs said it themselves here:

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170094-dont-starve-together-intermission-birds-of-a-feather-animated-short-login-reward-and-more/#findComment-1854379

[YouKnowWho142]

I don't think there's any character who needs super drastic changes for their skill tree, it's mainly a few skills each that could use some tuning. I think the only skill trees I'd love to see super impactful changes for is like Wolfgang and Woodie, and even then the latter is just my personal opinion. 

[Cruvimaster]

Wilson is the only character whose skill tree should be completely revised. The torch and beard combo is a very bad joke 

[Well-met]

32 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wilson is the only character whose skill tree should be completely revised. The torch and beard combo is a very bad joke 

They're pretty good, you're just blinded by kleis decision to make all skill trees overpowered since wendy

[Gooba]

56 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wilson is the only character whose skill tree should be completely revised. The torch and beard combo is a very bad joke 

i think wilson's skill tree is very cultivated to help new players

torch helps new players who may not know about lanterns or other light sources survive nights

beard helps new players survive the winter and manage inventory

transmutation helps  new players acquire resources they may not know how to get

affinity

[Cuernito.]

6 minutes ago, Gooba said:

i think wilson's skill tree is very cultivated to help new players

So true i like wilson tree, it is really good for new players but some people here have bias so they are gonna said that every skill tree have to be the same for all chartacters, like if one skill tree is strong and have teleports every skill tree should have it.

They want balance in a game that is more PVE than PVP and for an unknown reason they dont see that when balance is on the table every character is gonna be the same, balance usually kills fun, do remember that.

[Its-a-me-Sans]

42 minutes ago, Well-met said:

you're just blinded by kleis decision to make all skill trees overpowered since wendy

Ur crazy if you don’t think nearly every pre-Wendy skill trees have been overpowered 

[Cruvimaster]

44 minutes ago, Well-met said:

They're pretty good, you're just blinded by kleis decision to make all skill trees overpowered since wendy

Wolfgang and Woodie are bad. Wilson is great. You guys make me laugh.

[HowlVoid]

They need to hire/create a dev group focused on the characters. Yeah, i get they probably dont have the funds but some resources should be allocated towards that end goal. The big elephant in the room klei seems unable or unwilling to address is their lack of quality control. Wether people like it or not characters are 50% of the game, and 90% of the funding towards the games comes from character skins. Experiencing the game from a character's pov has become something iconic to the series. 

 

When a game becomes this big in scope in terms of a diverse cast of characters/roles/classes theres usually a separate team in charge of the balance. This allows for creative freedom with a second team going over it with an objective rubric to ensure fairness and quality. The skill trees would go alot faster too. All they would have to do is set a foundation to start from and the rest would be handled.

 

Edit: removed contradiction

Edited March 25 by HowlVoid

[Picklesaurus]

I would like to see changes to Wormwood, Wilson, Woodie and Wolfgang skill trees, especially the later three since they don't even have their own background art for their skill trees, just brown rectangles. 

Edited March 25 by Picklesaurus

[gaymime]

i want to see how working on one character at a time does for the team and for the audience before getting irate and fussy over going back on or going forward with other methods of production.  a few people here are adamant they won't like the food when all they've seen is the ingredients but klei needs to be allowed to cook

[Mike23Ua]

44 minutes ago, Gooba said:

i think wilson's skill tree is very cultivated to help new players

torch helps new players who may not know about lanterns or other light sources survive nights

beard helps new players survive the winter and manage inventory

transmutation helps  new players acquire resources they may not know how to get

affinity

I find it hilarious that people easily dismiss the torch skill tree, it is without any question a convenient perk to have, especially with Torch Toss, “Lanterns” can not be tossed, and therefore aren’t as effective, Torch Toss allows me to perform smaller tasks such as dropping one on the deck of a boat to get better lighting from it then the dang Deck Illuminator itself.

My two MAJOR complaints with Wilson’s Torch Skill Tree is that it requires way too many skill point investment and should probably had been consolidated into 2-3 skill point investment total while like other characters with decent skill trees (which his is not..) Also having several other toys and gadgets to invest skill points into.

And my second MAJOR complaint with it is that Wilson has canon “beat the odds” he has survived Maxwells game of torture and managed to become king in his place, there’s an animated short where we see Charlie using a torch to suck mobs into it and transform her torch into an Enlightened Torch, (which allows her to hold it up and see the hidden god eye on the moon) and if any character was going to get skills that reflect on that: it should have been the guy that has major skill point investment into torches.

(Moon magic torch that sucks nightmare creatures into it, or Shadow Torch that sucks Moon creatures in) 

Or the Tragic & Enlightened Torch.

I also want them to overhaul his transmutation skills, yeah they work.. and do what they’re intended to do, but there’s no cute animations of doing it… when all future reworked characters got tons of cute new animations.

Animations help to show the personality of a character through gameplay, so it wouldn’t have hurt Klei to copy and paste the animations of the Hallowed Nights Exclusive Mad Scientist Lab, and have Wilson actually tinker with science beakers to craft them. Again, using the science lab is an animation that’s already in the game.

[Ev1l]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

“Lanterns” can not be tossed

You... can just drop the lanterns and they'll still illuminate tho? I don't see how throwing a torch is that much superior to this...

 

Edited March 25 by Ev1l

[HamBatWilson]

5 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wilson is the only character whose skill tree should be completely revised. The torch and beard combo is a very bad joke 

Beard Hair Storage is GOATED

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Animations help to show the personality of a character through gameplay, so it wouldn’t have hurt Klei to copy and paste the animations of the Hallowed Nights Exclusive Mad Scientist Lab, and have Wilson actually tinker with science beakers to craft them.

I always found it weird that "The Gentleman Scientist" barely does any science at all, and didn't seem to get anything at all from the deal that got him into the constant in the first place. If he at least got to tinker with winonas stuff a little or something. Use her telebrella or deploy the winbot when winona made it already, that would be more than enough. But maybe that's the point that he's more gentleman than scientist.

[Mike23Ua]

43 minutes ago, Ev1l said:

You... can just drop the lanterns and they'll still illuminate tho? I don't see how throwing a torch is that much superior to this...

 

Wilson is intended to help newbie players, not moderately experienced players. Newbies rely on torches, not lanterns or miners hats, and dare I say this may not know how to craft them or lack the survival skills to dip down into caves for bulbs.

Torch Toss allows them to use easy to craft low resource cost torches, without having to craft a lantern or miners hat and keep them stocked with fuel supply.

Keep in mind that- Newbie players will not EVER realistically be able to kill Bee Queen and therefore do not have access to Bundling Wraps that prevent perishable items from spoiling out.

I personally have yet to kill BQ in any of my worlds and DST is a drastically different game when your resources are running on a Spoil Timer.

The one place Torch Toss Excells over Lanterns and Miner Hats? The Ocean. You’re highly unlikely to find bulbs to refuel lanterns on the Ocean.. but grass & sticks? That stuffs pretty much everywhere.

[sealnados]

6 hours ago, Its-a-me-Sans said:

Ur crazy if you don’t think nearly every pre-Wendy skill trees have been overpowered 

some trees are extremely good but some of the other trees got the short end of the stick like wolfgang