Rebalancing and nerf wx - 78, please

[Lev12390]

WX-78 turned out to be too strong and doesn’t fit the current game balance. I don’t want to remove this character from my life just because he’s overpowered. Right now, not a single boss can match his power, especially in the hands of a player with just over 100 hours. The character ended up objectively uninteresting due to his strength, and I don’t want to play a game with such broken balance.

If the character is released in the same or similar state as in the beta version, I’ll have two options:

- Either I restrict this character for myself and everyone who plays with me on my servers,
- Or I'll just stop playing this game.

Ordinary changes won’t cut it here—the entire skill tree needs to be reworked from scratch, because there are only four good skills that fit the current game balance, and those are the ones that aren’t part of any of the three main branches.

[hhhhddh]

200/200/200 Wolfgang with 2x dmg of is not TOO STRONG but 600/100/100 WX is strong enough to make you quit, haha, funny.

[AriaMain]

bye byeee

[Maxil20]

...I'm sorry, but if the game becomes unplayabe to the point you don't want to play it because a single character got tweaks, then you might need to take a step back and realize how silly that sounds.

Also like, they are getting balance adjustments? Their best stat circuit was nerfed twice, and their overall starting stat pool was nerfed pretty considerably in exchange for stat circuits taking up different slots. They still have downsides like losing charges -> losing most of your benefits as well. It's far from a dominating force compared to a good chunk of the cast, especially ones like Maxwell and Wurt.

 

Edited March 24 by Maxil20

[YouKnowWho142]

The beta hasn’t even been out for a week yet, we are still testing the waters on a lot of these changes. A sizeable part of their kit still hasn’t even been released. Even in just the few days it’s been out we’ve seen plenty of nerfs. At least for the time being, just give it time.

[xhquf]

볼프강과 같은 높은 피해와 워톡스와 같은 풍부한 영혼이 현재 캐릭터를 압도하고 있습니다. 단순히 WX-78처럼 건강이 높다고 해서 캐릭터 OP가 되는 것은 아닙니다. 다른 치유 방법으로도 보완할 수 있기 때문입니다. 이미 많은 너프를 받았으며, 게임을 완전히 이해하지 못하는 플레이어들 때문에 더 너프되는 것을 보는 것은 실망스러운 일입니다.

[aidancode]

there is no way THIS is the character that pushes you over the edge

[ArcAngela]

Bait used to be believable.

[NewGamePlus]

"The character ended up objectively uninteresting due to his strength". I don't think you understand the gravity of these words. I've had so much fun dissecting this character this beta already. I eagerly await the rest to be released. The devs are doing a great job. Buff or nerfs aside, this is a fun character. 

I honestly wonder if you tried the beta and did testing yourself, or simply watched some gameplay or read posts only.

[GRC]

For as much as "doesn't fit the current game balance" is thrown around here, I'm not actually sure what that entails. What did you have in mind for the design goals of WX-78's skill tree? I could play devil's advocate to the Chassis branch being wrong for the character, but what exactly would fit into current game balance in the Circuitry and Drone branches?

[-Nick-]

Just saying words without elaborating why or how. 

[Mike23Ua]

WX78? You mean the only character in the entire game who takes health damage when getting Wet? That WX78? Yeah that robot is OP please send to ScrapYard.

[xhquf]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

WX78? 게임 전체에서 유일하게 웨트에 걸렸을 때 건강 피해를 입는 캐릭터를 말하는 건가요? 저 WX78? 네, 그 로봇은 OP입니다. 스크랩야드로 보내주세요.

Have you actually played the character before calling it OP? If you judge based only on videos, any character can seem overpowered. Please explain your reasoning and what comparisons you used.Don’t be envious just because it’s not a survivor you play that’s performing well. That kind of mindset could lead to negative results for Wendy in future reworks.😁

Edited March 24 by xhquf

[Mysterious box]

31 minutes ago, xhquf said:

Have you actually played the character before calling it OP? If you judge based only on videos, any character can seem overpowered. Please explain your reasoning and what comparisons you used.Don’t be envious just because it’s not a survivor you play that’s performing well. That kind of mindset could lead to negative results for Wendy in future reworks.😁

I think Mike was joking and I think it got lost in translation.

[Kyno]

One of the funniest things I have read about this game in a while, thanks.

[Mysterious box]

7 hours ago, Lev12390 said:

WX-78 turned out to be too strong and doesn’t fit the current game balance. I don’t want to remove this character from my life just because he’s overpowered. Right now, not a single boss can match his power, especially in the hands of a player with just over 100 hours. The character ended up objectively uninteresting due to his strength, and I don’t want to play a game with such broken balance.

If the character is released in the same or similar state as in the beta version, I’ll have two options:

- Either I restrict this character for myself and everyone who plays with me on my servers,
- Or I'll just stop playing this game.

Ordinary changes won’t cut it here—the entire skill tree needs to be reworked from scratch, because there are only four good skills that fit the current game balance, and those are the ones that aren’t part of any of the three main branches.

Personally I don't think it's really overpowered now that the hardy circuit has been nerfed. Yes he can stack circuits to powerful effect but each come with a sacrifices that seem reasonable. Specializing does give powerful effects but there are downsides to doing so in that you lose access to combinations you aren't using or need to shuffle through different add-ons and your energy guage even the light based ones have trade offs in how much you want to see at a time vs how much space you are willing to commit to light.

[WendyHater9000]

The only op part of wx right now is his survivability. He got 480 health with 2hardy and 1bean booster while being able to get 2nd chance when electric is full. Also able to interrupt combo attack.

But his mobility is worse than wortox, Walter and even Wanda.

Aggressive play is worse than Wolfgang, Wanda, Maxwell, Willow, Wigfrid, Wendy.

He’s just a plain 1.0 multiplier character that can’t even start moonstorm in first autumn. 

Your topic make me wonder if you have really finished the game lmao.

[Mr.Tarunio]

Spoiler

This person probably just made an account an just post once and bail just to ragebait.

Tbh the skill tree is fine, many options to play and experiment. not as nuke heavy like winona late game atm (but we still have to wait for the alignment skills) but can survive long fights and destroy hoards.

[Dr. Safety]

35 minutes ago, WendyHater9000 said:

The only op part of wx right now is his survivability. He got 480 health with 2hardy and 1bean booster while being able to get 2nd chance when electric is full. Also able to interrupt combo attack.

But his mobility is worse than wortox, Walter and even Wanda.

Aggressive play is worse than Wolfgang, Wanda, Maxwell, Willow, Wigfrid, Wendy.

He’s just a plain 1.0 multiplier character that can’t even start moonstorm in first autumn. 

Your topic make me wonder if you have really finished the game lmao.

Yeah he's kinda just a proper tank if you build him optimally, and a cool support character if you care more about fun than power

[shaurun]

Stop manipulating and prove something is OP. E.g. when people make a video that just standing near Bee Queen with few module unurmored could kill Bee Queen, it's a prove - and Klei nerfes that.

Also take into consideration how much effort is required to reach some OP point. 

I could say "being able to tank Deerclops is OP, all you need is few armor, a firepit and some healing/sanity food, you have to kite and if you need not kite it's OP". This post so far looks like a bait.

[Ar_Cloudy]

Game won't be balance. 

Perharps it takes 50 days to play as Wolfgang and it takes 100 days to play as wx78. But these hours are both fun.

 

[Lev12390]

15 часов назад hhhhddh сказал:

200/200/200 Вольфганг с 2-кратным уроном не СЛИШКОМ СИЛЕН, но 600/100/100 WX достаточно силен, чтобы заставить вас бросить, ха-ха, забавно.

I never liked Wolfgang and was always reluctant to play with him in a team, but Wolfgang only had damage—WX-78 literally has everything, from immortality to incredible damage close to Wolfgang’s values.

[Lev12390]

13 hours ago, NewGamePlus said:

"Персонаж оказался объективно неинтересныме к его силей". Я не думаю, что вы понимаете всю серьезность этих слов. Мне уже было так весело анализировать этого персонажа в этой бета-версии. Я с нетерпением жду освобождения остальных. Разработчики проделывают отличную работу. Если оставить в стороне бафф или нерфы, это забавный персонаж.

Честно говоря, мне интересно, пробовали ли вы бета-версию и проводили ли тестирование самостоятельно, или просто смотрели какой-то игровой процесс или читали только посты.

Yes, I played the beta version. I may have written my post with a bit of heat, right after playing him and analyzing his skill tree.

Actually, I’ve had some time to think, and my complaint now sounds something like this:

Skill trees were supposed to even out the characters and make sure there were no characters significantly weaker than others. And for a while, everything was fine—all the characters with skill trees were roughly on the same power level (Wilson aside).

But with the previous character update, I already started to feel disappointed in the concept of skill trees. Strong Wortox got an incredibly strong tree, while weak Wendy got a tree that gave her almost nothing.

And now we’ve gotten such an overpowered tree for an already strong character that, firstly, he’s clearly stronger than any other character in the game, and secondly, there simply aren’t any difficult bosses in the game that could pose a threat to him.

So in my opinion, this character feels out of place right now and will only ruin the experience of playing alongside him in a team.

Edited March 25 by Lev12390

[Lev12390]

14 hours ago, xhquf said:

볼프강과 같은 높은 피해와 워톡스와 같은 풍부한 영혼이 현재 캐릭터를 압도하고 있습니다. 단순히 WX-78처럼 건강이 높다고 해서 캐릭터 OP가 되는 것은 아닙니다. 다른 치유 방법으로도 보완할 수 있기 때문입니다. 이미 많은 너프를 받았으며, 게임을 완전히 이해하지 못하는 플레이어들 때문에 더 너프되는 것을 보는 것은 실망스러운 일입니다.

HP doesn’t make him stronger, but it’s a very nice bonus on Warbot himself, making killing him incredibly easy.

But besides HP, there’s also speed, which has been insanely buffed in the skill tree, and lightning, which brings his damage close to the top 2 damage dealers.

On top of that, there’s resurrection, teleportation, dropping items anywhere on the map, healing through gears and blueprints from the queen—this is already almost all of Wortox’s functionality, and even more.

[Lev12390]

10 часов назад xhquf сказал:

Вы действительно играли этого персонажа, прежде чем назвать его OP? Если судить только по видео, любой персонаж может показаться слишком сильным. Пожалуйста, объясните свои доводы и какие сравнения вы использовали. Не завидуйте только потому, что не тот выживший, которого вы играете, показывает хорошие результаты. Такой образ мышления может привести к негативным последствиям для Венди при будущих переделках.😁

Why do I think he’s too strong?

He got almost everything you could possibly give a character. Before, you had to combine the abilities of different characters, but now there’s WX-78.

HP, speed, damage, sanity, infinite light, nearly infinite inventory, resurrection, teleportation, item delivery anywhere on the map, immunity to fire and freezing, map exploration without even moving from your spot, remote killing via drone.

Creating your own body with installed circuits—meaning you can make a furnace by slotting a fire and light circuit, a refrigerator, a chest with infinite slots, or sanity healing like Wendy’s—and all of this is just two skills.

I’ve played through the game with every character, and I can’t say I have a main or a character I dislike.

For example, I like Wanda, but if she were given a skill tree that strong, I’d stop playing her or simply not upgrade the tree.
(Because characters before and after their skill tree become completely different—Willow is a prime example.)

I loved and will always love the old WX-78, but I believe there’s a limit to everything, and no character should stand out this much from the overall balance.