What off-meta or not widely used skills do you play with or enjoy using?

[Echsrick]

42 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

3 jars you get up to 55 souls you can use without lowering your damage.

i could alsol just use 3 darkswords or glass cutters...or the reaper, that of course too

[cybers2001]

12 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I thought Greed was an absolute must have for me for quite awhile. Having 2 jars to make the cap 30 instead of 20 gave me tons of cushion against overloading. This isn't useful at all if you're Naughty, but I like that inclination less than Neutral.

Now I skip it early game, but I love it for once I can set up whatever giant spider farm I'm going for that game. Eventually it becomes a lot faster than killer bees. At that point, Pastorale becomes really worthless, so I don't know what I'd rather spend the point on.

Reaching souls is also good for healing while fleeing.

4 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i could alsol just use 3 darkswords or glass cutters...or the reaper, that of course too

If I have reaper unlocked, my entire skill tree changes. And I'd stop using knabsack and covetous collector

Edited October 24, 2025 by cybers2001

[Dingle]

3 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Reaching souls is also good for healing while fleeing.

I usually get reaching souls anyway, to get Nice.

I think in a week or two, I'd like to make a giant Wortox guide/review of the perk tree as I have playing it for quite awhile now. I'll post my favorite builds there.

I think the only truly terrible skill is Cloudy Carmine. After a ton of experiments, I still haven't found a very good use for it. As far as I know, no one else has, either.

[cybers2001]

2 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I think the only truly terrible skill is Cloudy Carmine. After a ton of experiments, I still haven't found a very good use for it. As far as I know, no one else has, either.

Aw, not even for hound waves? Was hoping it would at least be useful to negate them all waking up once you hit one.

[Dingle]

4 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Aw, not even for hound waves? Was hoping it would at least be useful to negate them all waking up once you hit one.

I didn't test hound waves. It didn't occur to me as being worth it.

A big problem with Carmine is that, by that point, you're really messing up viable builds to get it if you're shooting for anything but Neutral. The numbers are just kind of wonky at that point, so it's a bigger sacrifice than it seems.

That big sacrifice has to be weighed against whatever fringe use Carmine has, if anyone has found a good one.

[Popian]

59 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Aw, not even for hound waves? Was hoping it would at least be useful to negate them all waking up once you hit one.

It practically makes hound waves free if you get swarmed and sleep them.

5 hours ago, Dingle said:

That big sacrifice has to be weighed against whatever fringe use Carmine has, if anyone has found a good one.

You get about 11 free hits on most things (high value on Krampus and Prime Mate), 13 on Spider Queens, 16 when Frostjaw wants to make ice, 17 when Ancient Guardian wants to charge.

The thing is, complete incapacitation loops (sleep, freeze, blockers) can be very low risk and broken in this environment, so while introducing more things that are susceptible to sleep could help in the limited applications department it's difficult to find a good balance in reward (something that might happen months to years later).

I think it can fit in builds if Harvester replaces up to 3 points in Decoy, with the free toots it could also replace Pastorale if you have sustain covered and want to be more damage focused.

[Dingle]

32 minutes ago, Popian said:

You get about 11 free hits on most things (high value on Krampus and Prime Mate), 13 on Spider Queens, 16 when Frostjaw wants to make ice, 17 when Ancient Guardian wants to charge.

The thing is, complete incapacitation loops (sleep, freeze, blockers) can be very low risk and broken in this environment, so while introducing more things that are susceptible to sleep could help in the limited applications department it's difficult to find a good balance in reward (something that might happen months to years later).

I think it can fit in builds if Harvester replaces up to 3 points in Decoy, with the free toots it could also replace Pastorale if you have sustain covered and want to be more damage focused.

Thanks for the list! Do you think it's worth taking, given what you know?

[Tigris Nano]

13 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Overflowing Greed sucks, it's such a small increase to the amount of souls you can hold unless you're dedicating your entire inventory to holding soul jars for some reason in which case you don't need it because you have about a trillion souls you can freely take out at any time anyways. Covetous Collector sucks because it's buffing the knabsack which is one of the worst weapons in the game. Most of the stuff on Wortox's skill tree are pretty good but those skills are not. 

Max 40 souls stack completely prevents you from overloading during soul farming, fw or bq fights. Very neat skill for nice wortox build tho it requires 4 jars. Extra souls just auto drop from your inv and restore hp/sanity if you fill other slots with smth else like nfuel. Absolutely better than having to drop off extra souls one by one with 20 max souls or overload. Especially during fw fight where you have no time for micromanagement.

Edited October 25, 2025 by Tigris Nano

[Cheggf]

15 hours ago, NotGabriel said:

I don’t care how much quicker a stack of lightbulbs and Werepig are for manure farming, impecaca syrup is so goofy and I love using it as Wormwood. It’s also funny feeding it to my pet beefalo whilst riding it and leaving a long trail. Kinda helpful to help retrace my steps if I’m in the ruins and can’t spare a second to check my map lol

I think that trait is genuinely good in its own suboptimal way. It enables alternative playstyles like the ones you've described. You don't even need to ride the beefalo, you can just bond it and have a little manure dude follow you around with basically no investment other than the 1 inventory slot for the bell. 

2 hours ago, Tigris Nano said:

Max 40 souls stack completely prevents you from overloading during soul farming, fw or bq fights. Very neat skill for nice wortox build tho it requires 4 jars. Extra souls just auto drop from your inv and restore hp/sanity if you fill other slots with smth else like nfuel. Absolutely better than having to drop off extra souls one by one with 20 max souls or overload. Especially during fw fight where you have no time for micromanagement.

Do woven shadows drop souls? I haven't done that fight as Wortox but everything else shadow doesn't drop souls so it'd be weird if they do. If they do drop souls then it would probably be an alright trait for the AFW fight.

[Dingle]

16 hours ago, NotGabriel said:

I don’t care how much quicker a stack of lightbulbs and Werepig are for manure farming, impecaca syrup is so goofy and I love using it as Wormwood. It’s also funny feeding it to my pet beefalo whilst riding it and leaving a long trail. Kinda helpful to help retrace my steps if I’m in the ruins and can’t spare a second to check my map lol

I kind of wonder if ipecacca doesn't actually save you time. It's really cheap, with ingredients that you can easily find on the surface. We always have honey and rot, so then all you need is to grab a red mushroom occasionally.

The werepig trick requires you to grab light bulbs and to a lesser extent monster meat, have a pig next to base and food trap...

We just usually have a beefalo dragged near the base with a bell for this purpose. As a bonus, it also grows a new herd eventually.

30 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Do woven shadows drop souls? I haven't done that fight as Wortox but everything else shadow doesn't drop souls so it'd be weird if they do. If they do drop souls then it would probably be an alright trait for the AFW fight.

They do.

Edited October 25, 2025 by Dingle

[Tigris Nano]

3 hours ago, Cheggf said:

I think that trait is genuinely good in its own suboptimal way. It enables alternative playstyles like the ones you've described. You don't even need to ride the beefalo, you can just bond it and have a little manure dude follow you around with basically no investment other than the 1 inventory slot for the bell. 

Do woven shadows drop souls? I haven't done that fight as Wortox but everything else shadow doesn't drop souls so it'd be weird if they do. If they do drop souls then it would probably be an alright trait for the AFW fight.

Yes they do and you can use them to fill your jars

[Popian]

17 hours ago, Dingle said:

Thanks for the list! Do you think it's worth taking, given what you know?

The more I look at it the more I'm starting to think so? The map may not have been made with Wortox in mind, but the skill does provide more on the go soul/food sources and savings (can also place them yourself as you eventually do).

• Kill Gnarwails (use bait and a weapon that does at least 68 damage) and Sea Weeds on a boat without making any leaks
• Have an easier time with Bunnymen, Buzzards (no bait), Tallbirds, Merms, T2 spiders, Mush Gnomes, Slurpers, Saladmanders
• Conserve souls against clockworks
• Net more souls when dealing with smaller swarms of things like shadow Splumonkeys, Spiders, Hounds, Frogs
• Ramp up scythe damage for Harvester (Beefalo herds)

Dropping Pierce or Reverberation might also work in addition to Decoy.

[Dingle]

11 hours ago, Popian said:

The more I look at it the more I'm starting to think so? The map may not have been made with Wortox in mind, but the skill does provide more on the go soul/food sources and savings (can also place them yourself as you eventually do).

• Kill Gnarwails (use bait and a weapon that does at least 68 damage) and Sea Weeds on a boat without making any leaks
• Have an easier time with Bunnymen, Buzzards (no bait), Tallbirds, Merms, T2 spiders, Mush Gnomes, Slurpers, Saladmanders
• Conserve souls against clockworks
• Net more souls when dealing with smaller swarms of things like shadow Splumonkeys, Spiders, Hounds, Frogs
• Ramp up scythe damage for Harvester (Beefalo herds)

Dropping Pierce or Reverberation might also work in addition to Decoy.

Huh, I'll experiment more. This info seems like it could elevate it for me, from "completely worthless" to "a more niche choice". It still seems weak, just because the 3rd point in Neutral means you are making a big sacrifice, somewhere. Mostly that you're probably stuck with Neutral inclination no matter what, but that's not terrible.

3 Neutral, 4-7 Nice, 5-8 Naughty gives a lot of possible valid builds as long as you don't get an affinity. I could even keep my current favorite build, I'd just lose lunar affinity (provides little early game) and Nice inclination (this would sting a little).

[Mr. Furman]

Where there's wortox skill tree, there's controversy lol 

[Echsrick]

2 hours ago, Mr. Furman said:

Where there's wortox skill tree, there's controversy lol 

thats because its....it was part of that update we sould not linger alot of time with anymore

[Catuna_]

I like Werebeaver mastery because of the stomp... I'm already used to fighting on foot anyway. Weremoose without mastery's also still good for AoE and ignoring insanity with okay damage if you animation cancel his strikes. Embrace Woodie butt slam.

[Waywarbler]

On 10/24/2025 at 4:45 PM, Cheggf said:

Covetous Collector sucks because it's buffing the knabsack which is one of the worst weapons in the game.

I'm quite late to this but... how??? With enough souls it does dark sword damage, without the sanity drain, and 2x the durability. I just keep a bunch of silk in my hotbar to craft more if I have to.

Maybe my perspective's a bit skewed because I have a killer bee biome to farm souls off of.

[Echsrick]

11 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

I'm quite late to this but... how??? With enough souls it does dark sword damage, without the sanity drain, and 2x the durability. I just keep a bunch of silk in my hotbar to craft more if I have to.

Maybe my perspective's a bit skewed because I have a killer bee biome to farm souls off of.

do you like souls to use for your benefits? how about you cant use them anymore because then you wont do darksword damage and to do darksword damage you need to fill several inventory slots

[Waywarbler]

8 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

do you like souls to use for your benefits? how about you cant use them anymore because then you wont do darksword damage and to do darksword damage you need to fill several inventory slots

I'm gonna have a ridiculous amount of souls on me anyways for constant eating and quick-traveling across the map. I have four soul jars so I can hold 200 souls on my person, and I'd have to use half of that before I start losing any damage on the knabsack.

[Cheggf]

1 hour ago, Waywarbler said:

I'm quite late to this but... how??? With enough souls it does dark sword damage, without the sanity drain, and 2x the durability. I just keep a bunch of silk in my hotbar to craft more if I have to.

Maybe my perspective's a bit skewed because I have a killer bee biome to farm souls off of.

A dark sword doesn't require you to use a skill point and 5 inventory slots while also awkwardly blocking off your entire inventory in order to deal its damage. 

[Waywarbler]

2 hours ago, Cheggf said:

A dark sword doesn't require you to use a skill point and 5 inventory slots while also awkwardly blocking off your entire inventory in order to deal its damage. 

I already kinda answered this in my other reply, but

My hotbar isn't crammed with this stuff JUST for the knabsack. With five inventory slots of souls and soul jars, I never have to worry about food (naughty removes sanity penalty), I have an absurd amount of free healing, and I can teleport all over the place. A sixth inventory slot dedicated to silk means I can just keep making knabsacks, and I don't think I've ever spent enough souls to have the damage start reducing mid-fight.

(heck idk if this many soul jars is necessary. maybe i'm just greedy)

[Cheggf]

19 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

I already kinda answered this in my other reply, but

My hotbar isn't crammed with this stuff JUST for the knabsack. With five inventory slots of souls and soul jars, I never have to worry about food (naughty removes sanity penalty), I have an absurd amount of free healing, and I can teleport all over the place. A sixth inventory slot dedicated to silk means I can just keep making knabsacks, and I don't think I've ever spent enough souls to have the damage start reducing mid-fight.

(heck idk if this many soul jars is necessary. maybe i'm just greedy)

I'm not telling you how to play the game and you can do what you want, but I don't think what you're doing is particularly fun or effective. One or two slots dedicated to soul jars and/or pan flutes combined with the souls in your pocket already give plenty of souls for food/teleporting/healing. That picture you put in shows that literally half of your inventory is dedicated to this. Ignoring anything else you need like light, weapons, armor, you have 7 out of your 15 slots full of garbage. That's so cumbersome and inconvenient to play with. 

[Ohan]

I will always use survivor specific stuff over generic alternatives even if the generic stuff is more efficient. Its more fun for me this way. 

this includes ipecaca. Ive always found bulbs>werepig for poop a really unfun chore. The syrup is a lot more fun. 

I never stop using compost wraps no matter how many jelly beans i have so i never stop needing manure. 

In the late game i love making a dock platform near my base with 6-9 pig houses on it and dropping like two syrups per pig depending on day length. The pigs wake up, automatically eat the syrup and fill the small platform with manure. 

once all the syrup is gone i go in with a lazy forager. 

[HowlVoid]

46 minutes ago, Ohan said:

I will always use survivor specific stuff over generic alternatives even if the generic stuff is more efficient. Its more fun for me this way. 

this includes ipecaca. Ive always found bulbs>werepig for poop a really unfun chore. The syrup is a lot more fun. 

I never stop using compost wraps no matter how many jelly beans i have so i never stop needing manure. 

In the late game i love making a dock platform near my base with 6-9 pig houses on it and dropping like two syrups per pig depending on day length. The pigs wake up, automatically eat the syrup and fill the small platform with manure. 

once all the syrup is gone i go in with a lazy forager. 

Wait ohan am i crazy or is ipecaca not better? Early game sure its probably faster to get all the lightbulbs in one place, then carry 3 items and plan a bit around getting access to an animal that can poop, while balancing other things. However once youre set up, rot, honey and planters are all readily available. 

I think its better for mass producing planters late game (even if thats a personal choice lol). For sure not the best skill in Worm's skill tree but it has its niche. 

Edited October 28, 2025 by HowlVoid

[Ohan]

5 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Wait ohan am i crazy or is ipecaca not better? Early game sure its probably faster to get all the lightbulbs in one place then carry 3 items and plan a bit around getting access to an animal that can poop while balancing other things. However once youre set up, rot, honey and planters are all readily available. 

I think its better for mass producing planters late game (even if thats a personal choice lol). For sure not the best skill in Worm's skill tree but it has its niche. 

Yeah i also think its better actually , werepig is faster without set up but once u have the set up syrup for suuuuuuuuure outpaces werepig bulbs (or ferns from stalker) by miles.

Especially when you have a perpetual need for manure instead of a one-time burst which the werepig strat is more suitable for.