Why do we rarely get balance updates?

[Echsrick]

23 hours ago, lowercase skye said:

Barnacle Linguine

so its a time waster to get ice from the local penguins for meatballs but it is not a time waster to go out into the ocean to get barnacles that you could have spend using your time to kill walrus and klaus?

[lowercase skye]

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

so its a time waster to get ice from the local penguins for meatballs but it is not a time waster to go out into the ocean to get barnacles that you could have spend using your time to kill walrus and klaus?

Ice from pengulls is a resource that only exists during winter, but there's nothing limiting barnacles to a specific season. In some of my most productive worlds, I've gotten a salt box and 10+ sea sprouts during the first 5 days!

If you're a stickler about specifically barnacles though, you can swap the mention of those in my initial post with idk, honey ham. Focusing on barnacle linguine in particular is kinda missing the point.

[Edible Coal]

3 hours ago, lowercase skye said:

Ice from pengulls is a resource that only exists during winter, but there's nothing limiting barnacles to a specific season. In some of my most productive worlds, I've gotten a salt box and 10+ sea sprouts during the first 5 days!

If you're a stickler about specifically barnacles though, you can swap the mention of those in my initial post with idk, honey ham. Focusing on barnacle linguine in particular is kinda missing the point.

barnacles are good, too bad they sometime can spawn pretty far from your base or your base just dont have any sea stack

[Keller Max]

3 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

barnacles are good, too bad they sometime can spawn pretty far from your base or your base just dont have any sea stack

Wish we could plant Cave-in Boulder with Pinchin' Winch to create own Sea Stacks.

[Cruvimaster]

When we talk about balance, I remember Shadow Maul's balance.   

[Echsrick]

11 hours ago, lowercase skye said:

Ice from pengulls is a resource that only exists during winter, but there's nothing limiting barnacles to a specific season. In some of my most productive worlds, I've gotten a salt box and 10+ sea sprouts during the first 5 days!

If you're a stickler about specifically barnacles though, you can swap the mention of those in my initial post with idk, honey ham. Focusing on barnacle linguine in particular is kinda missing the point.

you do know ice spawns in autum and still last in spring from the penguins right? and barnacles are still in the middle of nowhere ocean

[Maxil20]

26 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

and barnacles are still in the middle of nowhere ocean

 

11 hours ago, lowercase skye said:

If you're a stickler about specifically barnacles though, you can swap the mention of those in my initial post with idk, honey ham.

 

[Cheggf]

On 5/20/2025 at 7:18 PM, GimplyGoose said:

One of the reasons I think undertuned items should be left alone is because there will always be items that just aren't as good as other items. If you buff them to compensate, they either will: not get a strong enough buff and still be weak OR become a stronger item that displaces another item, making that item weak. This leads to a situation where everything kinda just gets power crept up forever. Nerfs can help offset this, but very few people are pleased with nerfs.

Also, DST has been around for a while now, so which items  are good or bad is pretty well established by the community. Just because the numbers on something are bad, doesn't mean the item can't work.You ccan get through winter jst fine with a bbreezy vest and cat cap even if you would have a better time with a puffy vest/beefalo hat.

I'm not totally against the idea of altering undertuned items, but I think it would probably take a lot of work to do right and it might be better if that effort was spent elsewhere.

I think easy wins like changing breezy vest from 60 to 120 would be good (there isn't even a 120 body slot item, it jumps from 60 to 240!), but overall items that most people think are "useless" are often actually very good. 

On 5/21/2025 at 1:44 AM, BB Marioni said:

I kinda miss the Playstation 2 days, where you just get one game and it stays as it is forever.

Back before balance patches, where tons of game communities had to just ban half the roster because characters were doing things like having a frame 1 fullscreen command grab for some reason. 

[Sacco]

16 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

When we talk about balance, I remember Shadow Maul's balance.   

It’s the best weapon in the game…

[BB Marioni]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Back before balance patches, where tons of game communities had to just ban half the roster because characters were doing things like having a frame 1 fullscreen command grab for some reason. 

Never experienced that, we tend to try to figure out the character's weakness to beat them. Eddie Gordo for example seemed OP to tekken players at first, but players who practiced and learned the game figured out he wasn't really that strong if you know his moves. 

 

[Hungry French]

On 21.05.2025 at 08:20, lowercase skye said:

Добыча льда для приготовления фрикаделек — пустая трата времени в сезон, когда есть более важные дела, такие как МакТаск и Клаус. А эти получившиеся в результате фрикадельки дают вам только голод, и, честно говоря, не очень большой: 62,5 единицы голода — это даже не половина шкалы голода для большинства персонажей, и вы получаете только 3 единицы здоровья и 5 единиц рассудка по сравнению с такими блюдами, как яичница с беконом, которая также даёт вам здоровье, или лингвини с морскими уточками, которая значительно повышает ваш рассудок и здоровье, а также заполняет половину шкалы голода.

Мясо монстра + лёд для фрикаделек — очень мощный вариант для новичков, так как он относительно прост и не требует больших усилий по сравнению с другими рецептами, но он намного теряет в эффективности, как только вы набираетесь опыта в игре и можете без особых проблем перейти к вариантам с «большими усилиями». Как только вы становитесь достаточно опытными, чтобы сделать птичью клетку или даже просто отправиться на лодке в тёмные воды, эффективность фрикаделек сразу же падает до безумного уровня.

Итак, это один человек. Поставьте лайк этому посту, если вы не один, кто считает 1 кусок мяса монстра и 3 кусочка льда сбалансированным рецептом.

This is the simplest recipe, which is always effective and requires no effort. 
And Klaus is not a useful boss.

Linguini has an unrealistically expensive craft. And scrambled eggs and bacon are just more expensive. 3 monster meat and 1 meat is more expensive than 1 monster meat and 3 ice. And hp doesn't solve much, because there is a lot of hp recovery in the game.

On 22.05.2025 at 09:22, lowercase skye said:

Лед, добываемый из пингвинов, — это ресурс, который существует только зимой, но ничто не ограничивает появление ракушек конкретным сезоном. В некоторых из моих самых продуктивных миров я получал солонку и более 10 морских рачков в течение первых 5 дней!

Если вы, однако, предпочитаете именно ракушки, то можете заменить упоминание о них в моём первоначальном посте на, не знаю, медово-ветчинную смесь. Сосредоточившись на лингвини с ракушками, вы упустите суть.

Do you seriously not know that ice appears in the biome of rocks and the ocean and it does not melt all seasons except summer?

[lowercase skye]

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

Do you seriously not know that ice appears in the biome of rocks and the ocean and it does not melt all seasons except summer?

Well I was talking about ice in the context of pengulls because that's the source people generally mention. Going to the ice floe out in the middle of the deep ocean to mine ice for literally just meatballs sounds like an even bigger waste of time.

[Maxil20]

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

This is the simplest recipe, which is always effective and requires no effort. 

Except it does require effort. Monster meat and ice don't spontaneously appear in your iceboxes to make meatballs. You need to go out and harvest ice and at least get monster meat from various sources to make a pretty underwhelming food source all things considered.
 

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

And Klaus is not a useful boss.

This is a wild take.

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

Linguini has an unrealistically expensive craft. And scrambled eggs and bacon are just more expensive. 3 monster meat and 1 meat is more expensive than 1 monster meat and 3 ice. And hp doesn't solve much, because there is a lot of hp recovery in the game.

Not really...? Once you get a barnacle farm you pretty much just have a passive source of barnacles that only requires mild planning to harvest them during the night. You can easily net 40+ barnacles to turn into linguine for an entire season in one night, which also doubles as pretty much all the HP and sanity restoration you would need for said season, instead of needing to get separate sources of health/sanity restoration for each stat.

I feel like you are also like, heavily overestimating how hard it is to get meat sources.  There's like 20 different sources of meat/monster meat that are realistic to farm and use for recipes. People use Bacon and eggs and the like pretty easily all year long without needing to spend hours farming meat to survive the seasons.

[Hungry French]

33 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

Вот только это требует усилий. Мясо монстра и лёд не появляются в ваших холодильниках сами по себе, чтобы можно было приготовить фрикадельки. Вам нужно выйти и собрать лёд и, по крайней мере, добыть мясо монстра из разных источников, чтобы получить довольно скудный источник пищи, если учесть всё.
 

Это дикий поступок.

Не совсем так... Как только вы обзаведетесь фермой по выращиванию рачков, у вас появится пассивный источник рачков, который требует лишь небольшого планирования для их сбора в ночное время. Вы можете легко собрать более 40 рачков, чтобы приготовить из них лингвини на весь сезон за одну ночь, что также обеспечит вас практически всем здоровьем и рассудком, которые вам понадобятся в течение сезона, вместо того чтобы искать отдельные источники здоровья/рассудка для каждого показателя.

Мне кажется, вы тоже сильно преувеличиваете, насколько сложно добыть мясо. Существует около 20 различных видов мяса/мяса монстров, которые можно выращивать и использовать в рецептах. Люди используют бекон, яйца и тому подобное круглый год, не тратя часы на выращивание мяса, чтобы пережить смену сезонов.

Perhaps you are exaggerating the production of ice.  You get 3-8 pieces of ice from 1 glacier. And there are about 5 pengulls.
They also recover in 1-3 days. 
Too often and too much can be said "you are overestimating". 
But I personally have not seen any of the streamers who used barnacles seriously.

[Maxil20]

28 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Perhaps you are exaggerating the production of ice.  You get 3-8 pieces of ice from 1 glacier. And there are about 5 pengulls.
They also recover in 1-3 days. 
Too often and too much can be said "you are overestimating". 
But I personally have not seen any of the streamers who used barnacles seriously.

I don't get what you mean by this. Again, you are going out of your way to get ice for a dish that is one of the more mediocre dishes you can make, which you could use that effort on so many other things that will provide arguably more benefits, like a mentioned meat farm to produce meat based dishes that give other benefits than raw hunger. Barnacles are just one example, there's plenty more you can choose from, and just because streamers might not "use barnacles seriously" doesn't automatically invalidate the usage of barnacles for anyone.

 

[Hungry French]

30 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I don't get what you mean by this. Again, you are going out of your way to get ice for a dish that is one of the more mediocre dishes you can make, which you could use that effort on so many other things that will provide arguably more benefits, like a mentioned meat farm to produce meat based dishes that give other benefits than raw hunger. Barnacles are just one example, there's plenty more you can choose from, and just because streamers might not "use barnacles seriously" doesn't automatically invalidate the usage of barnacles for anyone.

 

Is MeatBalls the worst dish in the game? It's funny to hear that.

[Cheggf]

If someone used the time they spent walking around the map smashing glaciers to get a very small amount of ice (it goes by really fast when every single meatball takes 3) instead walking around the map smashing pig houses they would have infinite good food (and pig skin) instead of a small amount of bad food. 

[Maxil20]

1 hour ago, Hungry French said:

Is MeatBalls the worst dish in the game? It's funny to hear that.

That’s not what I said, though. I simply said mediocre, which doesn't inherently mean bad. They are not great, and they are not terrible. They’re just okay. 
The claim to fame meatballs has is its ability to likely be the most versatile dish in terms of ingredients. This is why new players/streamers gravitate to it, because its easy to make the dish with practically every filler if you know the basics. The problem is, the dish itself isn’t particularly noteworthy. As it’s been pointed out, you can get much better dishes that are much more effective at restoring stats with arguably the same effort it takes to farm ice and monster meat to make meatballs.
That’s why “pro” players don’t make this dish and instead gravitate to several other dishes you could make that suit your playstyle better. Apart from accidents, I don’t think I’ve seriously made meatballs since like, IDK, 2017?  It just feels unneeded when you can build around serval dishes with comparable effort that give so much more in return for your time.

 

[FluffyBun]

On 5/21/2025 at 3:11 AM, Guille6785 said:

because everytime Klei tries to "balance" something they end up making random things that there was nothing wrong with less fun to use, the game is fine when Klei isn't actively trying to "balance" it like it's some sort of moba, it's a sandbox game ffs

Singleplayer/PvE games shouldn't get major nerfs, I agree, but what about buffs?

[WhackE]

On 5/20/2025 at 8:58 AM, aidancode said:

For a long time I had a lot more respect for the DST update cycle than, say, Minecraft's, because it felt like updates had the freedom to do whatever they needed to in the moment. Now I feel like updates have been so confined in the past few years that some major balance controversies have arose: discontent with a select few bosses, both new and old, the effectiveness of beefalo taming, Wanda's character design, and at least for me personally there's stuff like a lot of crock pot dishes being unbalanced, a lot of things that could be fixed literally by tweaking some numbers over the span of a few updates until everything is in an alright spot. I'm curious if anyone knows why this is or if anyone has any insight to add here.

Because JoeW made a post in the past which i'm paraphrasing unfortunately that "The current devs are bringing Dst in another direction." or something like that. Any Developers that are working on the game currently do not care for the survival or balancing aspects of the game and it's been like that for a few years now.

[Hungry French]

14 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

Но я сказал не это. Я просто сказал «посредственные», что само по себе не означает «плохие». Они не великолепны, но и не ужасны. Они просто нормальные.
Фрикадельки прославились благодаря своей универсальности в плане ингредиентов. Именно поэтому к ним тянутся новые игроки/стримеры, потому что их легко приготовить практически с любым наполнителем, если знать основы. Проблема в том, что само по себе это блюдо не особенно примечательно. Как уже было отмечено, вы можете приготовить гораздо более вкусные блюда, которые гораздо эффективнее восстанавливают характеристики, затратив примерно столько же усилий, сколько требуется для добычи льда и мяса монстров для приготовления фрикаделек.
Вот почему «профессиональные» игроки не готовят это блюдо, а вместо этого отдают предпочтение нескольким другим блюдам, которые лучше подходят для вашего стиля игры. Если не считать случайных случаев, я не думаю, что всерьёз готовил фрикадельки с тех пор, как, не знаю, в 2017 году? Это просто кажется ненужным, когда можно приготовить несколько блюд с сопоставимыми усилиями, которые дадут гораздо больше в обмен на потраченное время.

 

I think you're exaggerating the difficulty of ice mining too much.

[Maxil20]

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

I think you're exaggerating the difficulty of ice mining too much.

I feel like I can say this to you about every other ingredient in this game. Why are you entranced about ice so much to the point you refuse to make like, literally any other dish? It feels like a super silly mindset when you have so many options at your disposal that work great in a variety of playstyles.

I don’t get why you are so adamant about this. I feel things like this are exactly why you don’t like DST in the first place if you refuse to adjust your playstyle and stay as close as you possibly can to inital strats. You’ll only hurt yourself in the long run.

[Hungry French]

2 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

Мне кажется, я могу сказать тебе то же самое о любом другом ингредиенте в этой игре. Почему ты так зациклен на льде, что отказываешься готовить буквально любое другое блюдо? Это кажется очень глупым, когда в твоём распоряжении так много вариантов, которые отлично подходят для разных стилей игры.

Я не понимаю, почему ты так непреклонен в этом вопросе. Я чувствую, что именно из-за таких вещей тебе и не нравится DST, если ты отказываешься менять свой стиль игры и стараешься как можно ближе придерживаться изначальных стратегий. В долгосрочной перспективе ты только навредишь себе.

The main thing I don't like about DST is that the bosses have too much hp. They're fat, but they're boring and light. 
The second reason is the lack of content from the DS, including the terrible work of the game without the Alone mod. 
Well, it annoys me a little that some things in the game are either bad or literally useless like fire dart and sleep dart.

In the long run, I won't care about other food because my hp will restore Healing Salve and honey, which will fill a whole chest.  
Sanity food is being replaced with tents, clothes and flowers and stacks of honey...

[Echsrick]

new balance change happend...its about drowning...but read that many are not realy into that one

[RetRunt]

I just want Klei to do something about Klei servers, just add some QoL mods, a way to save your world and then load it if you are alone on the server, like it is on Meow servers.

It's just so frustrating to see Klei just ignore the stability, performance and quality of their own servers.