ThereStars Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 I mean, Wendy hasn't had any meaningful change (basally art change only) since Klei back from winter vacation, and even no longer active in the bug tracker for Wendy's bug. It seems that the developers gave up on fixing her in this beta, and instead only fix small glitches to allowing her to release the official version in a bad but playable state. I know that in the Wolfgang rework update two years ago, the developers also created a poorly thought out update, and the community gave very negative feedback. So Wolfgang gets a review in the second update, which solves his problem to some extent. Maybe this time, too? One of the most popular characters gets the worst skill tree that is neither fun nor balanced, and that doesn't seem like a state that should stop in there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 Wendy's skill tree has received 10,000x more changes than Wolfgang's. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidancode Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 39 minutes ago, ThereStars said: One of the most popular characters gets the worst skill tree that is neither fun nor balanced, and that doesn't seem like a state that should stop in there. I'm really sorry that you consider Wendy's tree to be awful and unbalanced. I'd agree that it's not balanced as well as it could be but I think it's both fun and unique. An average tree; I'd say about 40% of trees are worse than it. Very hard to make a case that Wendy's tree is worse than Wolfgang, Wortox, Wilson in my opinion. Here are my recommendations: - be appreciative that the pipspook quest was made SO MUCH EASIER. This saves a ton of filler time which is great for the character despite being somewhat bland as skills. - use the wraith wreath. It's a cool item! Maybe not the strongest thing out there but it's fun. - use the team spirit. These skills are actually just straight up really strong and useful. - take the potion buffs as an opportunity to make more use of them. a lot of newer Wendy players mostly ignore potions. now is a great time to change that. - have fun with the affinities. Wendy has some of the most unique affinities. I know a lot of people want them buffed, and that's okay, but even a weak affinity that's fun can still be enjoyed. It's way better than Wortox Wigfrid Wolfgang and Wilson's excuses of affinities. - and if you really don't like playing Wendy after all of this... maybe Wendy just isn't a fun character for you in the first place. There's like 18 characters, go give somebody else a try. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 nobody in their right mind could consciously take a look at Wolfgang's skill tree and say with a straight face that Wendy's is somehow worse than it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Furman Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 1 hour ago, ThereStars said: One of the most popular characters gets the worst skill tree that is neither fun nor balanced Look buddy, I understand that you are frustrated over Wendy's skill tree, but this is such a hyperbolic statement that it makes the post itself looks far less rational than it actually is. And really, what is the thing with associating a character's popularity with how the skill tree turns out to be? Higher popularity means harder to satisfy or something? Revisions will happen I believe, since Wendy is not the only character people are unsatisfied with, there is still Wortox to be looked at. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacpert25 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 2 hours ago, ThereStars said: Maybe this time, too? One of the most popular characters gets the worst skill tree that is neither fun nor balanced, and that doesn't seem like a state that should stop in there. You say that Wendy's skill tree is the worst, but I think she has one of the better and more interesting skill trees. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 Nope. chinese or other language DST community part is second class citizen in the DST communit, their feedback is not equal important with feedback of these small groups who have taken over the forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 Without a doubt her skill tree is the worst, I support redo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacpert25 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 9 minutes ago, cyjs said: Without a doubt her skill tree is the worst, I support redo Really? Wolfgang with his skill tree having several separate boosts of a given stat into 5 separate perks doing literally the same thing is better than Wendy's skill tree where each perk gives something completely different? Really?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 30 minutes ago, Kacpert25 said: Really? Wolfgang with his skill tree having several separate boosts of a given stat into 5 separate perks doing literally the same thing is better than Wendy's skill tree where each perk gives something completely different? Really?! They are saying that just because they don't like the skill tree. Cannot judge objectively and just succumb into emotional discussions and arguing. Obviously Wolfgang's is the worst. It's just "lol get more dmg do chores fast". No cool mechanics or anything. UNLIKE WENDY. Ignore them. They are trolls or just immature. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 I wish Wolfgang's skill tree was reworked instead of Wendy tbh. His skill tree is like they didn't even try. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoblinTherapy Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 Wendy's skill tree is fine and there is nowhere near enough negative feedback on it from the community to suggest that Klei need to change it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kacpert25 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 15 minutes ago, RexySeven said: I wish Wolfgang's skill tree was reworked instead of Wendy tbh. His skill tree is like they didn't even try. Yeah, they could rework his skill tree, but not now. Let's let them do the rest of the skill trees first. For now, the most we can ask for is to add a unique look to Wolfgang and Woody's skill tree. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 9 minutes ago, Kacpert25 said: Yeah, they could rework his skill tree, but not now. Let's let them do the rest of the skill trees first. For now, the most we can ask for is to add a unique look to Wolfgang and Woody's skill tree. second wave of reworks but this time reworks of the skill trees for each character Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkShark Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 The general idea of how skill trees are balanced depending on the character are: Good already well established and popular characters get mediocre skill trees. flawed, less popular and lacking in kit characters get the better skill trees. there's been a noticeable contrast with some of the characters who generally lack a whole lot more of a role or fun gameplay aspects to make them standout. Walter, Willow, Woodie, Warly, Webber, Wx78 would be the top of that list. It does bring an amount of favoritism for these characters but they're also a lot less popular (or used to be) because they have/had major gripes with their gameplay or holes to fix to make them fully realized. Biggest ones would be Willow and Walter. But for different reasons. Willow had barely anything, Walter had the opposite problem but his kit felt disconnected and too punishing for the rewards. Skill trees are here to fix characters kits rather than turning them into reworks. adding onto existing mechanics or new ones if needed or required. But it isn't to turn them into something they aren't, it isn't to give good characters more roles to fufill, Why should Wendy have this opportunity if she's already a well established, popular character who'se role was fufilled even before the skill tree I ask. Why should Wolfgang have even more than he already has if his role is very much at the tipping point of his potential with mightiness. Because its unfair? Because they need it? Characters have never been equal in power-scaling and the roles they fufill. They've always been on their own terms so long they don't step on each other's toes to make one or the other be nullified. Why should skill trees be any different. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valase Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 4 hours ago, Cassielu said: Nope. chinese or other language DST community part is second class citizen in the DST communit, their feedback is not equal important with feedback of these small groups who have taken over the forum. While it is true that writing in english helps more than a lot, I'm not sure that the most heard feedback was from someone whose mother tongue is english. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Tangerine Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 I agree with Cassielu, until now there are some people on this forum who insist that "Wendy's skill tree is far better than Wolfgang's", so the chance of Wendy's skill tree being reworked is minimal . I really don't know how they came to this conclusion, it's not reality, it's more like a deathbed hallucination when you get crushed by Rook in ruin. (If you're one of "them", don't waste your time rebutting/replying to me, just stick to your guns.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 6 hours ago, Guille6785 said: nobody in their right mind could consciously take a look at Wolfgang's skill tree and say with a straight face that Wendy's is somehow worse than it What? lol Wendy doesn't even get anything close to the Coaching Whistle, a fan favorite. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_mylilsunshine_ Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 8 minutes ago, Dingle said: What? lol Wendy doesn't even get anything close to the Coaching Whistle, a fan favorite. wolfgang's entire refresh being reduced to only one (01) item should have told you something, which i'm telling you now: wolfgang's tree is bad in the sense that it does nothing for the character. it's essentially a number-go-up kind of skill tree. wendy's is not that kind of skill tree Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 6 hours ago, Cheggf said: Wendy's skill tree has received 10,000x more changes than Wolfgang's. But in the parts that she needs and suits her, that number is close to zero. More changes like this just confuse and blur her core, make her design bloated and overpowered in unnecessary ways more - the less the better, more of them only they make things worse. You can't just measure the value by how many of art and program assets there have. look at the design, this skilltree is full of jarring and uneven content distribution, overflowing malice, and totally screwed up emotional engagement, giving player buffs in a way that triggers "aversion to loss" far more than "joy to gain". 2 hours ago, Reiko24 said: They are saying that just because they don't like the skill tree. Cannot judge objectively and just succumb into emotional discussions and arguing. Obviously Wolfgang's is the worst. It's just "lol get more dmg do chores fast". No cool mechanics or anything. UNLIKE WENDY. Ignore them. They are trolls or just immature. Yes yes, I can see the difference, the point you like is reasonable, the point you don't like is cannot judge objectively and just succumb into emotional Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 2 minutes ago, Cassielu said: Yes yes, I can see the difference, the point you like is reasonable, the point you don't like is cannot judge objectively and just succumb into emotional Nope. Wolfgang skill tree is literally "more damage, chores faster". No new mechanics, interesting crafts or ideas. Wendy had much more work put into her skill tree. And it's better. Imagine how FURIOUS you would be if Wendy's skill tree was doing the same thing as Wolfgang's. "Abigail now deals more AoE damage.", "Abigail now deals more planar damage". "Abigail now has a chance to insta mine a tree". (ONLY THIS, WOLFGANG HAS NO OTHER SKILLS THAT ARE EVEN REMOTELY GOOD) It's not even about "liking" it's literally observing the amount of work and unique ideas put into a skill tree. Stop being so biased. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 6 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: Wendy had much more work put into her skill tree. And it's better. Imagine how FURIOUS you would be if Wendy's skill tree was doing the same thing as Wolfgang's. "Abigail now deals more AoE damage.", "Abigail now deals more planar damage". "Abigail now has a chance to insta mine a tree". (ONLY THIS, WOLFGANG HAS NO OTHER SKILLS THAT ARE EVEN REMOTELY GOOD) Oh trust me some people would be happier if that's the case Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 24 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: Wendy had much more work put into her skill tree. And it's better. Imagine how FURIOUS you would be if Wendy's skill tree was doing the same thing as Wolfgang's. "Abigail now deals more AoE damage.", "Abigail now deals more planar damage". "Abigail now has a chance to insta mine a tree". (ONLY THIS, WOLFGANG HAS NO OTHER SKILLS THAT ARE EVEN REMOTELY GOOD) How about imagine if Wolfgang's level 3 lunar skill is Wagstaff provide a bucket of KFC, eat it will lose all of his extra damage, but gain 50% damage reduction? a skill that fishing ocean fish for temporary max strength? a skill for reskin ocean fishing rod? no longer loss sanity faster when he's in small weak form? Wolfgang will deal higher damage to a group of enemies with no regularity, but will quickly lose power against enemies outside of them, and you will have to wait for a fitness day every seven days to configure it.Oh and also no any planar damage even during that time all the players were asking for it. This is what it looks like when Wolfgang gets Wendy's skills. and honestly this is even better, I couldn't have created anything as evil as Wendy's current skilltree even with my greatest of malice. YES I DO think the current Wolfgang or your hypothesis is better. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 10 minutes ago, Cassielu said: How about imagine if Wolfgang's level 3 lunar skill is Wagstaff provide a bucket of KFC, eat it will lose all of his extra damage, but gain 50% damage reduction? a skill that fishing ocean fish for temporary max strength? a skill for reskin ocean fishing rod? no longer loss sanity faster when he's in small weak form? Wolfgang will deal higher damage to a group of enemies with no regularity, but will quickly lose power against enemies outside of them, and you will have to wait for a fitness day every seven days to configure it.Oh and also no any planar damage even during that time all the players were asking for it. Honestly, I couldn't have created anything as bad as Wendy's current skilltree with the greatest of my malice. This is what it looks like when Wolfgang gets Wendy's skills. I still think the current Wolfgang or your hypothesis is better. bro r u trolling? did you just ignore what I wrote and decided to write a paragraph about how Wolfgang would look like if he was made like Wendy? Answering your question, even though it seems like a manipulation tactic or just trolling, yes, I would prefer Wolfgang to be like this. If he was like this, I would actually start playing this boring ass character. not participating in this discourse anymore, because the thread will get locked and you just want Wendy to be super OP and oneshot everything, if you think unique mechanics are worse than number buffs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Safety Posted March 5, 2025 Share Posted March 5, 2025 25 minutes ago, Cassielu said: How about imagine if Wolfgang's level 3 lunar skill is Wagstaff provide a bucket of KFC, eat it will lose all of his extra damage, but gain 50% damage reduction? a skill that fishing ocean fish for temporary max strength? a skill for reskin ocean fishing rod? no longer loss sanity faster when he's in small weak form? This is what it looks like when Wolfgang gets Wendy's skills. I still think the current Wolfgang or your hypothesis is better. If the biggest complaint about Wolfgang was that he took too much damage in boss fights, then an optional Lunar KFC Bucket redistributing his power budget to fix that doesn't seem so outlandish. It's not a complaint though, so the comparison makes no sense. The other stuff is pretty on brand with the random filler stuff that he already has. I don't disagree that Wendy has a relatively boring skill tree compared to characters like Walter and Willow. I just think that Wolfgang's is a lot worse. What if they made Gestalt Abigail similar to Maxwell duelists, specifically the charge that makes the enemy target Maxwell and not the minions. Pair this with a similar mechanic of dealing significantly less damage if Wendy isn't fighting as well, I think it could be a good compromise. Abigail would die less since Wendy would be taking all the aggro, while still requiring Wendy to engage in the fight. This would come at the downside of Gestalt Abigail being weaker at AOE, rather than unable to do it. She'd be weaker by design, as Wendy is once again taking the aggro of the crowd, and slower Abigail attacks make it harder to stunlock those smaller enemies. Edit: obviously it's late for changes as drastic as this, but potentially in the future if they revisit this, it could be something to consider Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164636-will-wendy-skilltree-be-reviewed-in-the-next-update-like-wolfgang-was/#findComment-1804342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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