Can we move on?

[Chewabacca]

Just now, BrixGoBrrr said:

I'm inclined to say No, because specificity to the point of listing a few examples, can far too easily be read as personal attacks, and that's not really my goal or my point. 

Does it help for me to clarify, that none of what I said was intended to be a reply to your post directly before mine? It was in response to the thread's question, "Can we move on?" 

Fair enough, I get why you might not want to go into specifics. Can you explain what general trends of ableist rhetoric you’ve been seeing, though? It doesn’t really help to acknowledge it if we don’t know what we’re acknowledging.

And no worries, I didn’t take it as a reply to mine.

[Guille6785]

17 minutes ago, BrixGoBrrr said:

bc there's been ableism in the mix

you didn't elaborate at all on this

[YouKnowWho142]

45 minutes ago, BrixGoBrrr said:

I'm inclined to say No, because specificity to the point of listing a few examples, can far too easily be read as personal attacks, and that's not really my goal or my point. 

Does it help for me to clarify, that none of what I said was intended to be a reply to your post directly before mine? It was in response to the thread's question, "Can we move on?" 

Everyone is confused since you insist that there is ableism in the forums but there have been no examples. That isn't something you can just say and believe everyone understands, and it makes me wonder if you are using ableism as a term correctly or if you mean something else, since i have been active in the forums for the last 1-2 weeks and have seen no such cases of ableism

[Debruh]

Another discrimination accusation? 

[BrixGoBrrr]

1 minute ago, Chewabacca said:

Fair enough, I get why you might not want to go into specifics. Can you explain what general trends of ableist rhetoric you’ve been seeing, though? It doesn’t really help to acknowledge it if we don’t know what we’re acknowledging.

And no worries, I didn’t take it as a reply to mine.

Rad! Thanks for understanding. 

What flags my concern generally, is when assumptions are used like facts, especially when used to declare someone else as either in or out, as enough or as lacking, as deserving of rest and respect, or not, 

Cause ableism isn't always about disability, it's also in the ways we mistreat each other based on expectations of someone's capacity, 

So like, asserting that everyone at Klei should have worked through the December holidays AND work 12+ hour days AND work weekends, because the beta was so awful Klei is clearly failing at everything, and therefore none of them deserve a break until everything is fixed and done and perfect...

... Of course that reasoning is nonsense, and no one has literally said all of that all at once that i know of, but I have been seeing in varied ways, the notion that Klei/anyone deserves mistreatment when they don't meet a labour-related expectation. And I don't like it 

2 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

you didn't elaborate at all on this

You do realize we can all see the timestamps? No, i didn't elaborate in the 2 mins between the time you posted, and the time the post directly before yours went up. It's almost like you're proving my point for me, about how unnecessary it is to be harsh and sharp with people who don't immediately meet our unfounded expectations, funny how that happens sometimes! 

[ImDaMisterL]

Hey everyone, remember to follow our Guidelines, to not make posts personal and to stay on the original topic of a discussion to avoid derailing it. Thank you for understanding.

[Szczuku]

It's time to move on... the accident wasn't your fault

[Dr. Safety]

50 minutes ago, Szczuku said:

It's time to move on... the accident wasn't your fault

-Wendy's dad talking to Wendy