Remove wendy from the beta

[Chewabacca]

8 minutes ago, cyjs said:

What if the dissatisfaction is the most paid and 50%of the player group? Do I need to remind you that Klei is a company that needs to be operated, not a person who needs dignity?

Then pretty clearly some more work needs to go into every other character if 50% of the playerbase supposedly only enjoys playing one character.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

You might as well investigate yourself? I look forward to your response

I can't see your transaction history sadly.

[cyjs]

Just now, Mysterious box said:

I can't see your transaction history sadly.

Applaud for you

[Chewabacca]

No, seriously. If Wendy already has such appeal, then she doesn't need her skilltree to be the most well-developed of all time to stand strong on her own. Put her into live and spend the time improving Walter and Wortox's skill trees so that the characters that currently have smaller audiences can attract more players.

[HellHeater]

"Lets see the beta branch, maybe they've healed by n-oh, ok"

[DaDa_waw]

48 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

The developer has every right to decide how their game is handled the consumer does not if they dislike it they can simply go somewhere they like how the product is handled a developer cannot bend the knee to anyone who raises a complaint even more so when their efforts are taken for granted.

You're starting to blur the relationship again. KLei is a commercial company, and their efforts are justified, otherwise they will not be recognized by consumers. Consumers have the right to file lawsuits and demands for the products they purchase, rather than avoiding dissatisfaction like cowards. And, are you a player? You are fighting for the interests of manufacturers from a non consumer perspective, and your behavior is similar to that of a 'traitor'. I hope you can recognize this.

[Echsrick]

this place gets worse with each passing day as it seems, and the devs have to sadly witness the forums rot away like this.....thats such a waste

[Chewabacca]

10 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

You're starting to blur the relationship again. KLei is a commercial company, and their efforts are justified, otherwise they will not be recognized by consumers. Consumers have the right to file lawsuits and demands for the products they purchase, rather than avoiding dissatisfaction like cowards. And, are you a player? You are fighting for the interests of manufacturers from a non consumer perspective, and your behavior is similar to that of a 'traitor'. I hope you can recognize this.

Oh, come on. The guy is clearly saying that they don't want the game as a whole to be compromised for the sake of one polarizing character. Calling them a "traitor" over that is just silly. I've been on servers where someone was playing an overpowered mod character and it sucked because there was nothing for the rest of us to do. The same will be true for all non-Wendy players in multiplayer if Wendy gets over-buffed.

[Mysterious box]

36 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

You're starting to blur the relationship again. KLei is a commercial company, and their efforts are justified, otherwise they will not be recognized by consumers. Consumers have the right to file lawsuits and demands for the products they purchase, rather than avoiding dissatisfaction like cowards. And, are you a player? You are fighting for the interests of manufacturers from a non consumer perspective, and your behavior is similar to that of a 'traitor'. I hope you can recognize this.

I'm going to be blunt I don't like you or the group supporting you. You guys have used every trick in the book to try to manipulate the conversation around the beta and all credibility has long since been lost due to so many attempts at gaslighting, lying, bullying, threats, and the like. No you cannot sue a game company because they didn't bend to your whims. No it's traitorous behavior because I don't believe the devs should follow your whims just stop before you harm the conversation around this beta any further.

[DVGMedia]

38 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

game as a whole to be compromised for the sake of one polarizing character.

This is not exactly for argument purposes I just find this statement funny with everything thats occurred in the past
I mean look at wanda  with hitstun.
planar was established because of wolfgang and warly.
Klei will totally rewrite the whole game to suite one character

Even walter is getting some game defining changes with ranged weapon attacks providing more immunity frames on creatures.

Thing about wendy is that we don't want her to really be over buffed.  We just want some sort of uniqueness to her. 
only things right now she has is her new commands the affinities

and the rest is just potion stuff. theres at least 5 points that can be used to make something different.
So that way there are unique builds instead of just oh im going lunar or im going shadow.

Something like wigfrid where points give her a new toy to play with. Make an item that makes it so abby stays on top of wendy and has a hard teather so that way instead they can kite together.
Or make new potions that have unique effects for abby and wendy with the wreath.
Or even a skill that  make it so that abby becomes like the old  refresh abby where her damage is based on wendys hp.
All of that is viable and doesn't make things too over powerd since everything is still the same

Is that really too much to ask for?

 

[DaDa_waw]

38 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

Oh, come on. The guy is clearly saying that they don't want the game as a whole to be compromised for the sake of one polarizing character. Calling them a "traitor" over that is just silly. I've been on servers where someone was playing an overpowered mod character and it sucked because there was nothing for the rest of us to do. The same will be true for all non-Wendy players in multiplayer if Wendy gets over-buffed.

If a person is seen as a 'traitor' because of their words, I think it is more likely that the person being seen as a 'traitor' has said foolish things.

As for the part you are concerned about, I think it is far from the step you are worried about. Because there are already characters in this game who are much stronger than Wendy, and Wendy is far from reaching their level, nor does she need to reach that level. I just don't want many people to constantly make Wendy, a poorly designed skill tree from the beginning, worse for their strange "balancing thinking" or simply their "exclusionary mentality". The skill tree needs to give Wendy a horizontal advantage when compared to other characters, otherwise using Wendy would be like using her just because of my passion rather than because she really has her own irreplaceable qualities.

12 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm going to be blunt I don't like you or the group supporting you. You guys have used every trick in the book to try to manipulate the conversation around the beta and all credibility has long since been lost due to so many attempts at gaslighting, lying, bullying, threats, and the like. No you cannot sue a game company because they didn't bend to your whims. No it's traitorous behavior because I don't believe the devs should follow your whims just stop before you harm the conversation around this beta any further.

I can only feel that you admit that you are just 'excluding outsiders'. We are all DST players, but I don't usually speak here. The reason why I came is because KLei did too poorly and didn't make the game more interesting. If you can't make me think your ideas are more interesting, please don't continue to slander me. This is not good for the development of the game.

[aidankocherhans]

20 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

She is the best at making meat effigies

Only for experienced players

 

20 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

she is the best at making amulets

How is this the case?

[DVGMedia]

2 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

Only for experienced players

She can easily farm rabbits or bunnymen those provide the materials for meat effigies. Its not all just monkeys that provide beard hair.

varg farms for amulets.  She is not automatic with it. But it really is fun to do with her.

[Echsrick]

2 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

She can easily farm rabbits or bunnymen those provide the materials for meat effigies. Its not all just monkeys that provide beard hair.

varg farms for amulets.  She is not automatic with it. But it really is fun to do with her.

rocklobsters exist and can deal with monkeys aswell

just overall random hound waves and thooth traps can just get you enought gems at some point that you dont know what for, alsol klaus gettin you like 2 extra amulets on kill

[Chewabacca]

14 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

This is not exactly for argument purposes I just find this statement funny with everything thats occurred in the past
I mean look at wanda  with hitstun.
planar was established because of wolfgang and warly.
Klei will totally rewrite the whole game to suite one character

Even walter is getting some game defining changes with ranged weapon attacks providing more immunity frames on creatures.

I'm talking about the game experience, not the code. And I don't think it was a great decision to rewrite the code for everything instead of just the slingshot, since that negatively impacts players who use non-slingshot projectile weapons like the Houndius.

12 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

If a person is seen as a 'traitor' because of their words, I think it is more likely that the person being seen as a 'traitor' has said foolish things.

As for the part you are concerned about, I think it is far from the step you are worried about. Because there are already characters in this game who are much stronger than Wendy, and Wendy is far from reaching their level, nor does she need to reach that level. I just don't want many people to constantly make Wendy, a poorly designed skill tree from the beginning, worse for their strange "balancing thinking" or simply their "exclusionary mentality". The skill tree needs to give Wendy a horizontal advantage when compared to other characters, otherwise using Wendy would be like using her just because of my passion rather than because she really has her own irreplaceable qualities.

I read their words. They were not especially foolish, certainly not more than calling someone a traitor over an argument about a freaking videogame character. Pretty much all of the characters that you could argue are "stronger" than Wendy have more setup/skill cost to reach their peak. Or they're Wolfgang, in which case they're also overpowered to the point of being boring.

[aidankocherhans]

3 hours ago, Shining Galaxy said:

Alright, let's take a look at how he "goes above and beyond to change," shall we?

Thanks for your meme; it's particularly fitting to gift to our arrogant game developer, who disdainfully tells the megabasers that dislike his designs, "You can just turn it off."

I see a lack of overwhelming consensus from a poll that can't be proven to represent the player base as a whole, and if the devs think something is unbalanced/not right for the game they have no obligation to include it.

[DaDa_waw]

6 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

 

Pretty much all of the characters that you could argue are "stronger" than Wendy have more setup/skill cost to reach their peak. Or they're Wolfgang, in which case they're also overpowered to the point of being boring.

What do you think is the cost of taming a cow that needs to be tamed for 20 days (easily destroyed by flying attacks) and protecting the fragile weak AI Abigail. I think this is almost the highest level. Boredom or boredom lies in the lack of creativity, experience, and functionality. Playing games is not about suffering, but about enjoying. You may feel that some characters have too rich and powerful functions, but if you want a challenging character, I think only Wes deserves this title in this game.

[SilverSpoon]

33 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I'm going to be blunt I don't like you or the group supporting you. You guys have used every trick in the book to try to manipulate the conversation around the beta and all credibility has long since been lost due to so many attempts at gaslighting, lying, bullying, threats, and the like. No you cannot sue a game company because they didn't bend to your whims. No it's traitorous behavior because I don't believe the devs should follow your whims just stop before you harm the conversation around this beta any further.

If we talk about the other "group," I have to talk about our "group" that was in the early of this beta and was not shy about making blatant hate speech against Chinese people and reacting favorably to it. The one of reason why the their is so furious and adamant is that those people were among us, and the initial response to them was delayed, even though Klei said "only limited intervention in order to allow new posters to provide their thoughts even when clearly against forum guidelines in an effort to avoid a perception of staff hiding or otherwise limiting criticism."

[DVGMedia]

Wendy is strong but she is strong in the right places where people adore her.
Even before refreshes Wendy was one of the strongest characters yet people just flocked to wolfgang wx and wicker just cause of their simple natures.
Most of the things in the game are basic enemies. So wendy is always going to have an advantage over all these other characters because she inately had protection from the everyday challenges the game threw at the player.
Even wigfrid is kind of in the same boat.
Wickerbottom and maxwell totally are the strongest characters in the game.  But they don't see the play counts wigfrid and wendy do
just because of the practicality of their strengths.

[aidankocherhans]

25 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

Thing about wendy is that we don't want her to really be over buffed.

Many people on the forums do want her to be over buffed, some will even admit to it

[adminaaassh]

good

[Chewabacca]

9 minutes ago, DaDa_waw said:

What do you think is the cost of taming a cow that needs to be tamed for 20 days (easily destroyed by flying attacks) and protecting the fragile weak AI Abigail. I think this is almost the highest level. Boredom or boredom lies in the lack of creativity, experience, and functionality. Playing games is not about suffering, but about enjoying. You may feel that some characters have too rich and powerful functions, but if you want a challenging character, I think only Wes deserves this title in this game.

Cost: not that high since in DST taming a beefalo is fairly cheap and there's hardly any penalty for letting Abigail get killed, you can still use her to do most of what you want her for by reviving her. "Just play Wes" is a boring argument and I'm sick of it. This is supposed to be a challenging game, the average player shouldn't need to pick the hardest character on the list to encounter difficulty.

Moreover, Wendy does get a set of skills adding "creativity and experience" to her. They're the Team Spirit skills and they haven't been weakened. The only thing that's changed with the new hotfix is that now Wendy has a slightly greater setup cost for keeping her sister alive against bosses in combination with Blessed Sisturn 3.

[DVGMedia]

1 minute ago, aidankocherhans said:

Many people on the forums do want her to be over buffed, some will even admit to it

I have had many suggestions and of the ones who are serious for balanced discussion  They have received Great support. even from those that are exaggerated.

There has been alot of just mudslinging going around attacking people personally than really looking at the root problem. Thats why things get as bad as they are.
Ive only seen posts here that make standard and understandable changes to wendy and abby. 
And what people think is strong or over powered is based on what they value aswell. 
The main point ive seen people asking for is more survivable abby. And to some people they even consider that to be op

What do you do when just the existance of your main power is considered over powered?

 

[DaDa_waw]

29 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

Cost: not that high since in DST taming a beefalo is fairly cheap and there's hardly any penalty for letting Abigail get killed, you can still use her to do most of what you want her for by reviving her. "Just play Wes" is a boring argument and I'm sick of it. This is supposed to be a challenging game, the average player shouldn't need to pick the hardest character on the list to encounter difficulty.

Moreover, Wendy does get a set of skills adding "creativity and experience" to her. They're the Team Spirit skills and they haven't been weakened. The only thing that's changed with the new hotfix is that now Wendy has a slightly greater setup cost for keeping her sister alive against bosses in combination with Blessed Sisturn 3.

I don't think a creature that takes 20 days to reach its full potential can be considered low-cost, as its control cases may include using dumbbells for a few seconds, using endless monster meat and debris, using endless nightmare fuel, using papyrus to create miracles, and so on. I am also bored with the idea that Abigail should be easily killed, as Wendy is a character with a 0.75 multiplier. Abigail is Wendy's most important ability, and establishing balance by stripping Wendy's main abilities as much as possible has always been the most unsuccessful approach. Without clarifying this, the conflict will not end. I like team spirit, and from the first day it appeared, I only suggested a few things, which are reducing the cooldown (especially canceling haunted cooldowns)+unsynchronizing cooldowns (most importantly)+optimizing the operation feel. But the most important part has been overlooked, and team spirit is only three points in a skill tree. There is too little creative and imaginative content like this about Abigail. The issue of Blessing Sisturn 3 is already a clich é, there is no need to balance an allowance for the sake of balance, it's boring. I use skill points and collect obscure items not to be allowed to earn profits on the basis of punishment.

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

If we talk about the other "group," I have to talk about our "group" that was in the early of this beta and was not shy about making blatant hate speech against Chinese people and reacting favorably to it. The one of reason why the their is so furious and adamant is that those people were among us, and the initial response to them was delayed, even though Klei said "only limited intervention in order to allow new posters to provide their thoughts even when clearly against forum guidelines in an effort to avoid a perception of staff hiding or otherwise limiting criticism."

The group I was talking about wasn't just Chinese posters heck not every poster from there was even involved in those tactics so that's just a oversimplification that being said the tactics I've mentioned have been used for 2 months it's not some recent thing nor is it just retaliation like you seem to be implying even then the people who did cause problems like that should have been banned nor does it justify what's been happening.