Please make Warly worth playing.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I wont be against some perk to help with with gardening and buffing his dishes but im totally against of removing key features like needing to gather ingredients, not being able to eat ingredients or repeating dishes having less value (neither increasing the stats he gets from food)

That wasn't what I was saying I dislike the process of farming and the balance of the crockpot dishes you don't have to remove his downside or his need to search for ingredients to fix that.

I'm not asking for them to pull a Wigfrid and eliminate a core part of his downside.

[RexySeven]

Let's wait for Warly's skill tree instead.

[Just Ragnar]

16 hours ago, arubaro said:

I main him, i dont see how he isnt worth. Is because he doesnt have free op perks? Precisely the fun of playing warly is to work out for your power ups instead of spawning day 1 with them 

And im not saying I want him to start day 1 with them, im saying I want them to be more consistent. For almost every other character, there are several permanent upgrades you can get, or they have so many stand-alone perks they're worth it. For Warly, if you don't maintain a massive upkeep and dedicate your time to setting up farms and beeboxes and all that, you'll be playing a normal character who's a picky eater and lacks an inventory slot.

[Cats_On_Fire]

2 minutes ago, Just Ragnar said:

And im not saying I want him to start day 1 with them, im saying I want them to be more consistent. For almost every other character, there are several permanent upgrades you can get, or they have so many stand-alone perks they're worth it. For Warly, if you don't maintain a massive upkeep and dedicate your time to setting up farms and beeboxes and all that, you'll be playing a normal character who's a picky eater and lacks an inventory slot.

I honestly like his current downside and I hope it stays and instead we get more food to compensate 

[arubaro]

4 minutes ago, Just Ragnar said:

And im not saying I want him to start day 1 with them, im saying I want them to be more consistent. For almost every other character, there are several permanent upgrades you can get, or they have so many stand-alone perks they're worth it. For Warly, if you don't maintain a massive upkeep and dedicate your time to setting up farms and beeboxes and all that, you'll be playing a normal character who's a picky eater and lacks an inventory slot.

And i like that. Do you work? You get a lot of perks,  you dont? You are wilson with downsides. Is perfect for this game

What do you mean by lacks and inventory slot??

[Just Ragnar]

1 hour ago, arubaro said:

And i like that. Do you work? You get a lot of perks,  you dont? You are wilson with downsides. Is perfect for this game

What do you mean by lacks and inventory slot??

Crock pot takes up an inventory slot.
You need to work basically all the time to get your perks, to where it's genuinely faster to do whatever you're doing without going out of your way to get them.

Warly's a good design in a vacuum. Compared to the other characters, he's not. The other characters have things unique to them, while Warly has the wonderous ability of spending more time to get his perks than getting the same results without them would take.

Compare Warly to Wolfgang, and it's very different. Start the game as a broken powerhouse! Warly has to work way harder for way worse results for way less time. 1.2x damage after farming, which you also need to cook and eat a meal for, thats 7 ingredients, 3 of which are guaranteed to require you to work for them. What do you get? 1.2x damage for half a day. All of that work for such a small buff. The problem is the fact that your effort isnt rewarded properly, and you can't put in more effort to get more. You can't treat volt goats like minecraft cows, you need to automate farms that don't even get you enough horns to be 1.7x damage for a full season to have it be kinda consistent. Again, Wolfgang, with two clicks, has already gotten better perks than you will ever have except for like, 4 rare scenarios. Any of his other perks are just luxuries. You know what else is a luxury? Map wide teleportation, permanent seasonal ignorance, an army that does all your jobs for you, etc. WX, another character who needs to go out of their way tot seek out buffs, gets to keep them for as long as they stay dry!

Warly simply doesn't get good enough perks to justify all that time spendt. It feels awful to put so much effort in for so little reward compared to other characters. That's why he's treated as a swap character.
 

[Cheggf]

Warly has always been worth playing, genuinely stop being a hater who wants to kill the character.

[arubaro]

Just now, Just Ragnar said:

Crock pot takes up an inventory slot.

You dont need to carry your crockpot after the first few days.

3 minutes ago, Just Ragnar said:

You need to work basically all the time to get your perks, to where it's genuinely faster to do whatever you're doing without going out of your way to get them.

Warly's a good design in a vacuum. Compared to the other characters, he's not. The other characters have things unique to them, while Warly has the wonderous ability of spending more time to get his perks than getting the same results without them would take

So? There are many characters that are good at rushing. I agree that you can simply play like wilson and rush everything but is like wurt, you dont the army to go throw the content faster.

I dont think the game should be balanced like that or the originality and uniqueness would be reduce.  There isnt a good way to balance characters like warly or wurt to be competitive to the rest of the cast without removing what makes them unique. You can reduce the ammount of grind a little but you cant change them to go throw content as fast as wolfgang, maxwell, willow, wendy, etc which have their powers day 1

I prefer variety over unbalancing every character like this was a competitive game. The characters should be balanced arround content, not between them 

2 hours ago, Just Ragnar said:

Compare Warly to Wolfgang, and it's very different. Start the game as a broken powerhouse! Warly has to work way harder for way worse results for way less time. 1.2x damage after farming, which you also need to cook and eat a meal for, thats 7 ingredients, 3 of which are guaranteed to require you to work for them. What do you get? 1.2x damage for half a day. All of that work for such a small buff. The problem is the fact that your effort isnt rewarded properly, and you can't put in more effort to get more. You can't treat volt goats like minecraft cows, you need to automate farms that don't even get you enough horns to be 1.7x damage for a full season to have it be kinda consistent. Again, Wolfgang, with two clicks, has already gotten better perks than you will ever have except for like, 4 rare scenarios. Any of his other perks are just luxuries. You know what else is a luxury? Map wide teleportation, permanent seasonal ignorance, an army that does all your jobs for you, etc. WX, another character who needs to go out of their way tot seek out buffs, gets to keep them for as long as they stay dry!

And that is what makes him unique. What would be the fun of playing warly if you dont work for his upsides?? Is literally why im playing him. Seems like you dont like that kind of gameplay.

Comparing any character with wolfgang isnt logical. He is suppose to be OP and simple, if you want that you have him or the wide variety of powerful early characters 

Why do you mentioned wurt? She also needs a good ammount of days to rise a good ammount of merms, by the time you get that other characters could beat most bosses 

The few interesting things about WX is precisely going out of your way to get buffs!

Idk, but seems like you simply don't like this kind of gameplay where you need to farm different things to get buffs which is okey because for that we have a good amount of different characters with different gameplays and that shouldnt be homogenized 

[Edible Coal]

48 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Why do you mentioned wurt? She also needs a good ammount of days to rise a good ammount of merms, by the time you get that other characters could beat most bosses 

wurt can easily make a army in one season and can demolish everything with 25 merms for the rest of the game

 

while you also got warly that spend more than 2 season to get enough seed and farm to make spices and you get........1.2x dmg for half a day

[arubaro]

13 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

wurt can easily make a army in one season and can demolish everything with 25 merms for the rest of the game

 

 

And wolfgang and cia can beat most bosses in that time which was my point. Characters are different as they should be, this isnt a moba

13 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

while you also got warly that spend more than 2 season to get enough seed and farm to make spices and you get........1.2x dmg for half a day

So?

[xhyom]

I don't understand why they're defending the maintenance of the downside when no one said it should be removed or mitigated, but he should be rewarded for it, and he isn't. Just because you think it's cool to farm for two seasons to have extra strength for a few minutes doesn't mean that it's rewarding and encourages someone to keep playing WITH Warly. There are more things besides combat power that Warly could have but doesn't. All of his other foods that don't deal damage are completely useless, don't last long, and are hard to obtain. He has no interaction with cooking other than the exact same as all the other characters. Would changing that to something more interactive and rewarding that makes him bring more to a team composition and to himself, besides making ONE recipe and disappearing, be bad? Warly's complex recipes being worse than a campfire or a rock inside a fridge is not cool, Warly being able to mitigate these problems with more class than the rest of the survivors with his unique recipes would be cool. It's very different than having Wolfgang's strength for 5 minutes after farming for days.
I don't understand why Wilson and Warly are doomed to be the successful Wes and that's it.

[Maxil20]

43 minutes ago, xhyom said:

All of his other foods that don't deal damage are completely useless, don't last long, and are hard to obtain.

I personally do disagree on this a bit. The hot dragon chili salad/fish corden bleu/glow berry mousse are genuine staples in my lategame bin. It is slow to start making them, but apart from mousse which either relies on worldgen RNG or lots of forest stalker farming, are certainly possible to mass produce, and the benefits are quite nice. There's a big difference of setting down a campfire or other heat source and heating up then spending half a second eating a chili salad literally anywhere and not worrying about heat for 5 minutes minimum and then having more based on your insulation.

I don't think they are as powerful compared to just the damage dishes, but I do not think they should be overlooked as tools you have in your toolbox. They have niches they fill, and they do their job well if you don't mind grinding them.

Of course, I do agree on him having perks as mentioned prior, I just wanted to point these out as dishes I use pretty frequently and enjoy them for their purpose, and I certainly don't think they are bad at it.

[Anis5240]

19 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

they do their job well if you don't mind grinding them.

The fact that you said this already speaks a lot about the problems Warly had. Why does he have to grind for such ingredients? Cuz of those being rare? And why were they rare yet having little to no differences from other methods of getting resources/items? 

[Maxil20]

34 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

The fact that you said this already speaks a lot about the problems Warly had. Why does he have to grind for such ingredients? Cuz of those being rare? And why were they rare yet having little to no differences from other methods of getting resources/items? 

Because you do this for any resource in this game. If you wanna get something in decent amounts, you want to find ways to be able to optimally produce these resources as much as possible, hence the grind.

I’m not saying it’s instant, but once you setup the farms for them, you effectively have the resources to keep doing it over and over again much easier. It’s an investment, but the payoff is worthwhile in the end, same as with any other resource in this game.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t have ways to make this easier, of course. I am just saying there are ways to currently do it and they will work.

[kroban]

On 12/9/2024 at 12:45 PM, HeatAndRun said:

His biggest problem is that despite his special dishes heavily rely on various kinds of farm crops and veggies, he does not have any farming-related perks or abilities. This ultimately lead him into a swap character or resource-sink while Wormwood and Wickerbottom does farming for him.

Truee, Warly is one of my favorite characters but starting on a server as him is a huge deal and you are almost praying at the farm crops to grow faster before you starve lol, he definitely needs more farming perk or abilities, maybe even a spice for it but, a spice may be too op if you can share it with other characters

[xhyom]

25 minutes ago, Maxil20 said:

I personally do disagree on this a bit. The hot dragon chili salad/fish corden bleu/glow berry mousse are genuine staples in my lategame bin. It is slow to start making them, but apart from mousse which either relies on worldgen RNG or lots of forest stalker farming, are certainly possible to mass produce, and the benefits are quite nice. There's a big difference of setting down a campfire or other heat source and heating up then spending half a second eating a chili salad literally anywhere and not worrying about heat for 5 minutes minimum and then having more based on your insulation.

I don't think they are as powerful compared to just the damage dishes, but I do not think they should be overlooked as tools you have in your toolbox. They have niches they fill, and they do their job well if you don't mind grinding them.

Of course, I do agree on him having perks as mentioned prior, I just wanted to point these out as dishes I use pretty frequently and enjoy them for their purpose, and I certainly don't think they are bad at it.

I don't think these recipes have bad effects, but they have very short-lived effects and such high costs that a campfire becomes preferable for almost the entire game. As you said, it's a niche, and you probably do more of them because you can, because you're in a more advanced save and have resources to spend, rather than because they're preferable to other alternatives. I don't think they should be a luxury, but rather part of Warly's gameplay loop as a whole.
But not only that, Warly could specialize in being a butcher, cutting meat into smaller pieces, deboning, getting critical hits when fighting small living creatures, getting more loot. Preserves with empty jars and vegetables and fruits. Specializing in agriculture by removing seeds from fruits and vegetables to replant before cooking them, this wouldn't make him create vegetables out of thin air, he would still have to plant, water and harvest, but this would reduce the amount of time invested and dedication that must be had to make his perk work, I don't know how to do those huge setups with rotation to extract the most from the crops, but that's not a problem for any character, besides Warly, who is expected to master this without any farming specific perks, or depend on RNG. None of this would make his recipes stronger in a stupid way, just less grindy maybe, but it would bring light to the character, who gets things done in a different way, instead of Wilson, but his crockpot has three more recipes and that's it.

I know you didn't go into this topic much but I just wanted to put this out there lol

 

[Maxil20]

22 minutes ago, xhyom said:

I know you didn't go into this topic much but I just wanted to put this out there lol

Well, at least you do it in a way that’s constructive : P

I do agree it should be more encouraged and I do like the ideas of making it easier without trivializing it. I think changes like these would be nice without reducing the merit of why most people do like Warly.

24 minutes ago, xhyom said:

I don't know how to do those huge setups with rotation to extract the most from the crops

I’ll be completely honest and say I really haven’t done this and just go for the 1 crop + 1 seed approach, as it’s much easier for me to do personally, and you’ll still break even with returns. That’s worked well for my approach, though I do understand that’s not for everyone.

[abrocator]

Imagine a character being promoted as a warrior type. They have 75 health and 75% damage modifier because “that makes fighting a challenge”.

Swap out that for hunger and you have Warly.

Also give them the most one-dimensional quotes in the game—which is saying a lot.

[thesooz9000]

12 minutes ago, abrocator said:

Also give them the most one-dimensional quotes in the game—which is saying a lot.

 

Excuse me, one dimensional quotes? I love warly's quotes. They are an entirely different way to view the constant as opposed to the other survivors. And all the quotes referencing his grandma that he can't get back to make me sad.

 

[Mike23Ua]

On 12/9/2024 at 11:24 AM, YXukun said:

Currently Warly's just a swap character, yet I feel also hard to change that…After all you can't forbid other characters eating Warly's cuisines…

Actually.. you can.

Change Warlys food dishes so they all work more in depth like the WintersFeast event, require the meals to be placed at a buffet table and can only be consumed if a Warly player is there present to serve the food dishes (treat him like Bernie not turning into large Bernie if there’s no nearby Willow)

This would prevent Warly from being the character players switch to to make OP food dishes before switching back to Wolfgang for OverKill powers, but it would still make his actual gameplay very boring.

Make Warlys cooking gimmick more in-depth (as deeply complex as ocean fishing or farming) but outside of that he doesn’t really have anything going for him as a playable character.

Early game access to Bearger Bin/Food preservation equipment might make him a better pick as the “chef” character, but Klei would really have to come up with something hilarious, such as I don’t know..

Him being able to throw pepper bombs in the eyes of tall birds so they scream and peck at the ground repeatedly to really “spice up” his gameplay.

[aidankocherhans]

21 hours ago, RexySeven said:

Let's wait for Warly's skill tree instead.

It's better to give our ideas before they start working on the tree than after

12 hours ago, arubaro said:

And that is what makes him unique. What would be the fun of playing warly if you dont work for his upsides?? Is literally why im playing him. Seems like you dont like that kind of gameplay.

The problem is you work way harder than most characters just for basic survival, but your upsides are specific and don't apply for much of your gameplay, so most of the time he's basically a hard mode character

13 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Warly has always been worth playing, genuinely stop being a hater who wants to kill the character.

They literally said it's their favorite character, are you for real?

[Cheggf]

48 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

They literally said it's their favorite character, are you for real?

You can't just be like "I hate Warly and I hate everything about him and I want him to change into a completely different character because he isn't worth playing and I refuse to play him" then finish it up with "btw Warly is my favorite character" and have that actually be true lol. He clearly isn't his favorite character, I don't care that he said he is.

[aidankocherhans]

9 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

You can't just be like "I hate Warly and I hate everything about him and I want him to change into a completely different character because he isn't worth playing and I refuse to play him" then finish it up with "btw Warly is my favorite character" and have that actually be true lol. He clearly isn't his favorite character, I don't care that he said he is.

Did you read the post

You must've only read the title

[A Pufferfish]

Just wanted to add on, maybe it's just me, but the icker preserve also isn't doing Warly any favors, I love the item don't get me wrong, but now you gotta swap to him once and make a metric ton of food and you're set. Give incentive to stay as Warly! Lovely post. Here's to hoping his skill tree fixes 'em up!

[layangan putus]

This rubbish idea inspired by Gorge so make Warly needs to cook 1000 different crockpot dishes to progress main story so basically you are preparing dishes for the boss fight. More recipes unlocked upon satisfying each boss so each boss has mixed between randomized dishes and certain dishes to prepare. In the end, only Warly can finish the game without fighting any giants also redo the special cooking mechanics for Warly similar to Gorge style so players need to pay attention and surely be busy solo-cooking 10-25 different dishes with this special mechanics for each boss. This could be very highly experimental in multiplayer so whatever, also playing with meta knowledge will ruin the whole experience. Warly has special appetite like "Hmm.. I want something sweet or salty", either you cook his wants or eat anything to gain hunger but lose sanity until Warly eats what he wants. Do you just wanna survive the Constant to satisfy Warly's appetite; have adventures to collect ingredients by dismembering koelefants, cutting mandrakes into pieces, stealing eggs from some birds, mixing some special excrement with lunar water; do lots of experiments with cooking; and become the best chef in the Constant? Then get your DST (Warly edition) now!