[Poll] On Crock Pot Dish Buffs

[Theukon-dos]

IMO, while adjustments can be made, I don't think the food system really can be balanced.

 

It's just to simple. You eat food, the food meter goes up. No nuance, no diversity, nothing. It's a game called don't starve and managing your hunger is even simpler than Minecraft

What that means is that as far as good goes, the only factor you need to account for is the ease of access relative to how rewarding it is to get. There is really only so much you can do within that miniscule bracket. And Klri has already stretched it pretty thin.

 

That being said. It is abhorrent how 90% ofnthe DLC dishes where ported 1-1 without any thought put into how they would interact with DST's different items, world, and systems. Looking at you Seafood Gumbo and Puffed Potato Souffle.

[aidankocherhans]

4 hours ago, GetNerfedOn said:

Prior to that in shipwrecked though its hunger value was half what it is now, but with no health decrease; it could be argued that we could preserve the hunger value while removing the damage

That would be too good though, it's not meant to be great because of the bad ingredients put into it

[flamboyant wolf]

1 hour ago, aidankocherhans said:

That would be too good though, it's not meant to be great because of the bad ingredients put into it

I think some sort of a middle ground could be good(keep the hunger, lower the penalty by like, half, or increase the hunger a bit and keep the penalty as is). I like the idea of Warly being resourceful and getting the most out of the limited ingredients he might have, like going to ruins and making glow berry mousse outta lesser/glow berries and bananas, or passing by a swamp and making a wetness immunity dish out of merm corpses, or even just making non-exclusive dishes in places where other characters typically wouldn't, like making something out of the abundant lichen near ruins(you can cook with it, right?? I think I remember using it, but maybe I am misremembering), or making some sanity dishes out of the bananas from trees&monkeys, or just making some dishes at the sea early on.

[Lovens]

On 9/28/2024 at 5:56 AM, Maxil20 said:

Quick correction on this. While most dishes do lose their heating effect over time, hot dragon chili salad/any of the winters feast heating foods are the exception. They will always provide the full duration of their buffs, no matter what, which includes the chili salad’s 5 minutes of heat.

I myself used it a lot pre bin, as it actually combos very well with winter's innate 25% slower spoilage. Given how you are pretty much only ever going to use this dish in winter/very early spring, you could easily take out 20 at a time from a bundle and be set for the winter, and only worry about them going stale (which still provides the full heating effect, just not the +10 sanity) right at the end of it.

I’ll probably write a longer writeup of what dishes I feel could use adjustments (looking at you, Mr. “I share the exact same priority with fistful of jam despite being the more expensive general fruit recipe and debatably being worse” fruit medley), just a bit tired at the moment and I wanted to point this out as someone who really likes chili salad.

It must have been changed recently then. I remember about a year ago my friend dying in the Atrium as Wanda in winter. He started freezing to death and the only way to warm up for him was eating hot dragon chili salad. He quickly ate another dish when he started freezing and the dish didn't increase his temperature. He ate another one and it also did nothing. He ended up freezing to death. Ever since then I don't trust it much. 

[arubaro]

43 minutes ago, Lovens said:

It must have been changed recently then. I remember about a year ago my friend dying in the Atrium as Wanda in winter. He started freezing to death and the only way to warm up for him was eating hot dragon chili salad. He quickly ate another dish when he started freezing and the dish didn't increase his temperature. He ate another one and it also did nothing. He ended up freezing to death. Ever since then I don't trust it much. 

Warly dishes do their buffs even if rotten. Same with other foods that give buffs like the forget me lots tea.

Freshness only affects direct stats

[Lovens]

5 hours ago, arubaro said:

Warly dishes do their buffs even if rotten. Same with other foods that give buffs like the forget me lots tea.

Freshness only affects direct stats

I didn't say it was rotten. It was winter and he took it out of the bundle not long ago before that happened. But those hot chili dragon salads spent some time in the fridge while I was cooking the entire stack as Warly. I think I watched a DVGMedia video in the past on this mechanic where temperature-increasing dishes would lose their buffs gradually when stored away from the bundle after being cooked, and even faster if they were put in the fridge. Iirc it applied to hot dragon chili salad as well. Separating a dish from the full stack would refresh the buff on the dish that was split from a stack. This mechanic has nothing to do with the freshness of the dish, since it would still appear as fresh visually with no changes whatsoever but if you have a mod like ShowMe it would tell you that the temperature increase buff is now gone. 

[Maxil20]

7 hours ago, Lovens said:

He quickly ate another dish when he started freezing and the dish didn't increase his temperature. He ate another one and it also did nothing. He ended up freezing to death. Ever since then I don't trust it much. 

Hmmmm… were they suffering from wetness? I know that if you are particularly soaked, the temperature raise of the salad isn’t strong enough to combat the winter cold and the wetness temperature loss due to how the dish works (as the dish internally “raises” the perceived temperature of the world by 40, wetness can reduce the temperature by up to 30 resulting in a net gain of 10, and winter goes well below -10 after a few days into the season).

The only thing I can think of otherwise is if they ate another hot food that gives a temperature buff/chili flakes, as those will overwrite hot dragon chili salad’s heating buff with theirs, which is significantly worse than the salad.

[arubaro]

59 minutes ago, Lovens said:

I didn't say it was rotten. It was winter and he took it out of the bundle not long ago before that happened. But those hot chili dragon salads spent some time in the fridge while I was cooking the entire stack as Warly. I think I watched a DVGMedia video in the past on this mechanic where temperature-increasing dishes would lose their buffs gradually when stored away from the bundle after being cooked, and even faster if they were put in the fridge. Iirc it applied to hot dragon chili salad as well. Separating a dish from the full stack would refresh the buff on the dish that was split from a stack. This mechanic has nothing to do with the freshness of the dish, since it would still appear as fresh visually with no changes whatsoever but if you have a mod like ShowMe it would tell you that the temperature increase buff is now gone. 

What you are refering is to certain dishes increasing the player temperature if eaten when they are "still warm" like honey ham or dragon pie.

That has nothing to do with the dragon salad buff. Im main warly and i have dragon salad made eons ago working for me

[Lovens]

7 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

Hmmmm… were they suffering from wetness? I know that if you are particularly soaked, the temperature raise of the salad isn’t strong enough to combat the winter cold and the wetness temperature loss due to how the dish works (as the dish internally “raises” the perceived temperature of the world by 40, wetness can reduce the temperature by up to 30 resulting in a net gain of 10, and winter goes well below -10 after a few days into the season).

The only thing I can think of otherwise is if they ate another hot food that gives a temperature buff/chili flakes, as those will overwrite hot dragon chili salad’s heating buff with theirs, which is significantly worse than the salad.

There might have been some rain yes, but in that case my friend probably ate some fish cordon bleu. He absolutely ate the chili flake spiced volt goat jelly before the fight so that might have overwritten the buff like you said. But then I'm clueless why repeatedly eating dragon salad did not work after he started freezing.

6 hours ago, arubaro said:

What you are refering is to certain dishes increasing the player temperature if eaten when they are "still warm" like honey ham or dragon pie.

That has nothing to do with the dragon salad buff. Im main warly and i have dragon salad made eons ago working for me

You might be right about it. I did re-watch DVGMedia's video about those temperature dishes and he doesn't mention specifically that Warly's dishes do that too, although he does have chili dragon salad shown in all the clips where he talks about those buffs. I always just assumed this mechanic applied to the salad as well, I guess I was wrong then. 

[Brago-sama]

altho theres probably a ton of things id love changed with a lot recepies, i think the change id like most is if some recepies, notably Pumpkin cookies, both Kabobs, and a few others, when cooked, would give... idk, 3-4 copies per.

Yeah, because some need the buff, but also it just seems neat being able to split a dish with your friends, if you want.